[Masboroughlad]

I have taken my dad for a day out on the train today. We headed for Llandudno. Great day, trains reasonably well behaved (EMT and ATW) but I have to say what an utter disgrace and embarrassment Llandudno station is.

I can imagine in its day, it was very grand? Now it is just awful. Derelict platforms and infrastructure, toilets and waiting room that close at 2.30pm, a small area under cover - just horrid.

What image does this give to people arriving in the resort for the first time?

Arriva Trains Wales (and I am sure, those before you) should be totally ashamed and embarrassed. You should be made to make this place more presentable.

[VTPreston_Tez]

Personally I like Llandudno, very quirky and well spaced out. My only problem is drink prices but this is a problem at other major ATW stations like Chester as well.

[emoaconr]

It is supposed to be under rennovation soon. There's a new glass concourse/taxi rank area that's supposed to be developed along with the new waiting areas.

The (now demolished) building on the left hand side was in a dire state of repair for decades, I've not been there since its bit the dust but I think I prefer it with it there!

Its a shame really; even as late as the early 90's, most of Llandudno's platforms were within the train shed. The current remnant of the over-all roof is absolutely pointless and now serves no purpose whatsoever.

[Masboroughlad]

Originally Posted by emoaconr

It is supposed to be under rennovation soon. There's a new glass concourse/taxi rank area that's supposed to be developed along with the new waiting areas.

The (now demolished) building on the left hand side was in a dire state of repair for decades, I've not been there since its bit the dust but I think I prefer it with it there!

Its a shame really; even as late as the early 90's, most of Llandudno's platforms were within the train shed. The current remnant of the over-all roof is absolutely pointless and now serves no purpose whatsoever.

Can you point me in the direction of any artists impressions of how it will look please? Or some pics of how it used to look? ATW need a rocket behind them to get this sorted.

[David Goddard]

We went to Llandudno on Tuesday morning and felt just the same.
It wouldnt take much even if they just gave it a lick of paint.
Compare with other seaside terminals (yes there are probably others that are in a similar state ,Skegness for example) but this must rank along the worst. I was in Cleethorpes a couple of years back and even that looked better than this.

[xplo42]

FYI, the derelict parts of the station (such as the abandoned platform) may not be a part of ATW's property but in fact Network Rail.

I know of several Rail User Groups who have demanded the TOCs to clear the track and/or disused structures at certain locations of rubbish and litter but have received reply that those areas are not a part of the station premises they operate and therefore cannot access. If they want it done they have to contact NR.

[Masboroughlad]

Originally Posted by xplo42

FYI, the derelict parts of the station (such as the abandoned platform) may not be a part of ATW's property but in fact Network Rail.

I know of several Rail User Groups who have demanded the TOCs to clear the track and/or disused structures at certain locations of rubbish and litter but have received reply that those areas are not a part of the station premises they operate and therefore cannot access. If they want it done they have to contact NR.

Problem of today's railway - buck passing!

At the end of the day - it is a shambolic mess and needs sorting!

[David10]

The Welsh government confirmed a few months ago that £3.5 million has been allocated for the project http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co...egoryID-7.aspx

[Joseph_Locke]

A contractor has been identified for the works, an agreed design is in place and final contract negotiations are reaching a conclusion.

[fgwrich]

Originally Posted by David10

The Welsh government confirmed a few months ago that £3.5 million has been allocated for the project http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co...egoryID-7.aspx

Good, but i'd like to hope that it would include some part of the restoration and extention of the roof - I last went to Llandudno back in 2009 on one of the UKRailtours trips (in fact, thats 67001 in the press picture too!) and felt that the station was something of a disgrace too, especially for such a rather attractive town with what was once a rather attractive station.

Do we know what actuall work will take place during this refurbishment? As the last time i was up there, there was talk about removing either part of, or in full the original LNWR Spine wall?

[Clip]

Originally Posted by xplo42

FYI, the derelict parts of the station (such as the abandoned platform) may not be a part of ATW's property but in fact Network Rail.

I know of several Rail User Groups who have demanded the TOCs to clear the track and/or disused structures at certain locations of rubbish and litter but have received reply that those areas are not a part of the station premises they operate and therefore cannot access. If they want it done they have to contact NR.

All of it is NR property.

[Paul Sidorczuk]

Originally Posted by Joseph_Locke

A contractor has been identified for the works, an agreed design is in place and final contract negotiations are reaching a conclusion.

Should nothing untowards occur in the final contract negotiations, what is the time factor to be for completion of the required works ?

[jcollins]

Originally Posted by Masboroughlad

Derelict platforms and infrastructure

So if the platforms and infrastructure are surplus to requirements with the current service level what do you think should be done with them?

Should funding be acquired to maintain them instead of spending it elsewhere even though they aren't required?

Should the surplus be removed and then if it is required again in 10 years time spend money putting it all back again instead of just renovating and reinstating what is already there?

[Paul Sidorczuk]

Originally Posted by jcollins

Should the surplus be removed and then if it is required again in 10 years time spend money putting it all back again instead of just renovating and reinstating what is already there?

I really think you have to go back to the days when Llandudno was served by a very large number of excursion trains, in addition to the service trains, in the days when the vast majority of holidaymakers visiting the resort came by train. That capacity was needed then. Can you envisage any service improvements in the coming years ?

With seaside terminal stations in mind, the same historical case can be applied to Blackpool and in a lesser case, to Scarborough, Morecambe and Southport. Blackpool having more than one terminal station, solved part of the problem by the total eradication of Blackpool Central station with its 14 platforms in 1964.

[142094]

Originally Posted by Clip

All of it is NR property.

However, there will be a certain limit on what ATW can do, and their remit will only cover day to day maintenance and cleaning, whereas Network Rail will be responsible for the bigger works and anything that is on the tracks.