Steam or Diesel?

Nick · 30th May 2006, 14:39

Come on then chaps. Whats your prefrence on the preserved scene, Steam or Heritage Diesels, also reasons why?

AlexS · 30th May 2006, 15:27

anyone can boil a kettle.

Rich · 30th May 2006, 15:27

What do you think Nick!?

I love Diesels for a few reasons, mainly the smell, the sound, and of course the way they run. I also like having cab rides in them at the ELR!

Sorry, but kettle's bore me!

30th May 2006, 18:44

Steam, steam, steam. English, foreign or any sort. No damn charisma or romance with a stinking noisy oilpot. Can't see any of the works operating and far more polluting than a kettle any day. You could love a steamer but you can't love a diesel. :happy11:

Rich · 30th May 2006, 18:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexS

anyone can boil a kettle.

Yup, but no one can boil a diesel, making them more unique

! Diesels all the way!

Guinness · 30th May 2006, 19:53

Steam is nice but I find Diesel far more appealing.

31st May 2006, 04:58

What do you lads find so appealing in a box on wheels that makes a bloody horrible din, kicks out an awful stink, pollutes far more than a kettle, and seems to need shed attention every few days?

Nathan · 31st May 2006, 06:16

Im backing up steam here not saying i hate diesel, but i prefer steam then 1st generation diesels. they smell better sound better and i think there's a little more skill involved.

Coxster · 31st May 2006, 10:43

Both - I do not have a preference. Diesels have thrash, clag etc where as steam locomotives have character and are fascinating pieces of machinery.

AlexS · 31st May 2006, 11:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by DistrictLine

What do you lads find so appealing in a box on wheels that makes a bloody horrible din, kicks out an awful stink, pollutes far more than a kettle, and seems to need shed attention every few days?

The sound and the look of the machines! They epitomise Britain in everything they do almost (well, when this nation was something to be proud of still, loud, strong, fast and they just look British. They also are as much a part of our childhoods and growing up as the steamers and old LU stock is to yours Bob, so hold another place in my heart as something special.

31st May 2006, 11:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexS

The sound and the look of the machines! They epitomise Britain in everything they do almost (well, when this nation was something to be proud of still, loud, strong, fast and they just look British. They also are as much a part of our childhoods and growing up as the steamers and old LU stock is to yours Bob, so hold another place in my heart as something special.

Well said and accepted. I suppose to you young guys never having seen a station full of steamers or heard/seen one storming up the bank out of Euston [Duchess's] or Kings Cross [A4's] or Liverpool street {Ah the Britannia's] a diesel must seem the very essence of what a railway is. Second to a steamer though give me any electric. Loco or EMU does not matter.

Demps · 31st May 2006, 12:27

kettles pufft, same noise and i think same look (although i know people will have a go at me for saying that) and what what District line Posted !, pollute more than steam, have you ever looked at the funnel of a kettle even when the consictency is right you can see holes being made in the ozone instentaneously.
Deisels, Noise, Look (variation), Clag (somnething of which you cant say about a steam engine, a peice of engineering 309 years old! and the noise, all you hear is the bloody moving of steel arms and the puff of effortless steam, a steam train is only 10% efficient !!.

now said all of that i dont mind getting a odd picture of a steamer, the sound is different etc. But come on you cant beat the muscle of a Deisel, in anyway.

AlexS · 31st May 2006, 14:44

Hmm - I dispute powerless steam there even if I'm not a kettle head - at 10% or whatever figure is true efficiency, the 9Fs can easily match a 66 for pulling power. The Coronation class from the LMS could, had the track allowed it, for example running them on the (at the time superior ECML) done 150 mph.

87015 · 31st May 2006, 15:42

Diesels and electrics for me-its what i can identify with.
I dont have a problem with steam and see some of the attraction of them, but they do bring a lot of cretins out for mainline runs. From experience they like tresspassing all over the fields ("i stood there xx years ago..."), wrong side of fence and to top it off some clown decides to stand right in the middle of my phot! Although at the Staines-Windsor gala day gained crompton mileage as the k was caped due to tresspassing fears...

Both are arguably vital to a successful preserved line, but please, if its a diesel gala there is no need for a kettle to be out.....well maybe one trip!

31st May 2006, 16:54

During the war the Germans built a class of loco [class 52] known as 'Kriegsloks' which were more powerful than all the diesels you have today. They were so succesful that 6000+ were built. They could get up to a speed as well and apparently on occasion could tow over a 1000 tonnes.

52Kriegslok
(War / austerity design)Light-weight 2-cylinder 2-10-0There is a certain amount of debate over how many were actually built, but Alfred B. Gottwaldt (a notable German railway historian) reckons 6151 between 1942-45.
Many were later rebuilt by the DR.

View Poll Results: What do you prefer, steam or heritage diesel at Preserved Railways?
Steam for me	11	26.19%
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30th May 2006, 14:39	#1
Nick Lets go to CREWE Member Join Date: 8 Jun 2005 Posts: 977	Steam or Diesel? Come on then chaps. Whats your prefrence on the preserved scene, Steam or Heritage Diesels, also reasons why? __________________ All Aboard to CREWE, calling at Birminghmmmmmmmmmmmmm and Gazebo.

30th May 2006, 15:27	#2
AlexS Established Member Join Date: 7 Jun 2005 Location: Just outside the Black Country Posts: 2,707	anyone can boil a kettle. __________________ Wibble and piffle.

30th May 2006, 15:27	#3
Rich Established Member Join Date: 10 Jun 2005 Location: Manchester Posts: 2,846	What do you think Nick!? I love Diesels for a few reasons, mainly the smell, the sound, and of course the way they run. I also like having cab rides in them at the ELR! Sorry, but kettle's bore me! __________________ The Red Right Hand Site Engineer - Manchester Metrolink Extension (Airport Line)

31st May 2006, 06:16	#8
Nathan Established Member Join Date: 30 Jun 2005 Posts: 1,050	Im backing up steam here not saying i hate diesel, but i prefer steam then 1st generation diesels. they smell better sound better and i think there's a little more skill involved. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/34028

30th May 2006, 18:44	#4
HR2 Guest Posts: n/a	Steam, steam, steam. English, foreign or any sort. No damn charisma or romance with a stinking noisy oilpot. Can't see any of the works operating and far more polluting than a kettle any day. You could love a steamer but you can't love a diesel. :happy11:

30th May 2006, 19:53	#6
Guinness Established Member Join Date: 13 Jun 2005 Posts: 3,733	Steam is nice but I find Diesel far more appealing.

31st May 2006, 04:58	#7
HR2 Guest Posts: n/a	What do you lads find so appealing in a box on wheels that makes a bloody horrible din, kicks out an awful stink, pollutes far more than a kettle, and seems to need shed attention every few days?

31st May 2006, 10:43	#9
Coxster Awaiting Email Confirmation Join Date: 9 Jun 2005 Posts: 9,242	Both - I do not have a preference. Diesels have thrash, clag etc where as steam locomotives have character and are fascinating pieces of machinery.

31st May 2006, 12:27	#12
Demps Member Join Date: 11 May 2006 Location: York Posts: 692	kettles pufft, same noise and i think same look (although i know people will have a go at me for saying that) and what what District line Posted !, pollute more than steam, have you ever looked at the funnel of a kettle even when the consictency is right you can see holes being made in the ozone instentaneously. Deisels, Noise, Look (variation), Clag (somnething of which you cant say about a steam engine, a peice of engineering 309 years old! and the noise, all you hear is the bloody moving of steel arms and the puff of effortless steam, a steam train is only 10% efficient !!. now said all of that i dont mind getting a odd picture of a steamer, the sound is different etc. But come on you cant beat the muscle of a Deisel, in anyway. __________________

31st May 2006, 14:44	#13
AlexS Established Member Join Date: 7 Jun 2005 Location: Just outside the Black Country Posts: 2,707	Hmm - I dispute powerless steam there even if I'm not a kettle head - at 10% or whatever figure is true efficiency, the 9Fs can easily match a 66 for pulling power. The Coronation class from the LMS could, had the track allowed it, for example running them on the (at the time superior ECML) done 150 mph. __________________ Wibble and piffle.

31st May 2006, 15:42	#14
87015 Established Member Join Date: 3 Mar 2006 Location: GEML/WCML/SR Posts: 2,930	Diesels and electrics for me-its what i can identify with. I dont have a problem with steam and see some of the attraction of them, but they do bring a lot of cretins out for mainline runs. From experience they like tresspassing all over the fields ("i stood there xx years ago..."), wrong side of fence and to top it off some clown decides to stand right in the middle of my phot! Although at the Staines-Windsor gala day gained crompton mileage as the k was caped due to tresspassing fears... Both are arguably vital to a successful preserved line, but please, if its a diesel gala there is no need for a kettle to be out.....well maybe one trip! __________________ http://87015aewn.wordpress.com/ UK Keighley Gala, Easter 37s and others

31st May 2006, 16:54	#15
HR2 Guest Posts: n/a	During the war the Germans built a class of loco [class 52] known as 'Kriegsloks' which were more powerful than all the diesels you have today. They were so succesful that 6000+ were built. They could get up to a speed as well and apparently on occasion could tow over a 1000 tonnes. 52Kriegslok (War / austerity design)Light-weight 2-cylinder 2-10-0There is a certain amount of debate over how many were actually built, but Alfred B. Gottwaldt (a notable German railway historian) reckons 6151 between 1942-45. Many were later rebuilt by the DR. Last edited by HR2; 31st May 2006 at 16:58.