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Old 28th May 2013, 19:41   #1
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Default Construction progress: TPE 350/4

TPE/Siemens have released a video fly through of the 350/4



And the first finished 350/4 is rumored to be expected in December according to people on Skyscraper.

Some images of the units under construction.

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I see Siemens are persisting with the perverse approach of having first class in the middle of coach B.
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what is next to the giant bin in coach b as I hope they dont see the bin as the best feature of the trains
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TPE/Siemens have released a video fly through of the 350/4
I note it describes them as 100mph units; I had thought that (like the LM units) they would be set-up for 110mph running.
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what is next to the giant bin in coach b as I hope they dont see the bin as the best feature of the trains
Catering provision and stuff.

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I note it describes them as 100mph units; I had thought that (like the LM units) they would be set-up for 110mph running.
I suspect that's an error on the part of whoever typed the description. All new 350s will be capable of 110. The video gets it right by saying the new trains are faster (presumably than a 185, which can do 100).

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I note it describes them as 100mph units; I had thought that (like the LM units) they would be set-up for 110mph running.
The 350/3 & /4 were ordered with the same moss as the 350/1 for 110mph running.

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The new trains will be able to travel at speeds up to 100mph where the track and line permit. As such journey times are expected to be at least 3 minutes quicker between Manchester and Scotland and intermediate stations. The trains have a faster acceleration to 100mph than the current class 185s. We are working with Siemens and Network Rail to enable the trains to operate at 110mph in the future. We hope to achieve this by May 2014.
Maybe its due to multiple units working 110mph not yet being cleared as initial case for 110mph was single units with multiple tested in possession. Bit of guess work but units are expected to run in 8 car formations at weekends from May 2014.
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Are the 350/4s being built before the 350/3s? If not, are there any pictures of the /3s being built?

Seeing as a lot was made of the 'intercity layout' of the 350/4s I had hoped for a vestibule layout like the 444s. I don't see how these are internally any different from 350/1s except the 2+1 seating in first class.
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Seeing as a lot was made of the 'intercity layout' of the 350/4s I had hoped for a vestibule layout like the 444s. I don't see how these are internally any different from 350/1s except the 2+1 seating in first class.
Can't think why you thought that. It was always stated that they were more of the same train as LM were ordering, with only minor interior changes.
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Are the 350/4s being built before the 350/3s? If not, are there any pictures of the /3s being built?

Seeing as a lot was made of the 'intercity layout' of the 350/4s I had hoped for a vestibule layout like the 444s. I don't see how these are internally any different from 350/1s except the 2+1 seating in first class.
The 350/4 are being built first as they are required sooner in service compared to the 350/3.
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I see Siemens are persisting with the perverse approach of having first class in the middle of coach B.
It was BREL that started it... that's the original configuration for 317s
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It was BREL that started it... that's the original configuration for 317s
Why do they persist with it? What benefits does it offer? It simply gives people a legitimate reason to trapse through First Class constantly.
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It frees up a whole vestibule for Std passengers to use... I suspect the practice is a carry over from the advent of the Guards office. They're still used in SWT and quite effectively I think. In the centre of the train, first class next to it. I imagine its a hangover from the LM 350 configuration which in turn are a hangover from the 450s...

Honestly though I'm not too fussed.
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Having first class at the ends still causes issues for movement of standard class passengers when units run in multiple anyway. I always assumed the point of putting it where they do is so that fitting the units with corridor connections doesn't become somewhat pointless.

Thanks for the answers to the other questions.
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I reckon the first decision they must make is how many first class seats they want, as a proportion of the whole 4 car unit, and in the 450/350 it was presumably decided that 24 was a reasonable number. So the next question is whether or not to have two poky little 12 car sections at either end like on 377s, which are basically the same as the rest of the train, or something a bit better - which is to put all the first class section together with different seating, tables etc. Having decided that, with a 1/3 - 2/3 door layout, you are pretty much constrained to have the section between a pair of vestibules, and the best place to do that is probably in one of the two non-driving cars, or you end up isolating a small section of standard on its own - which is a complaint about the 185s I believe.
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Having first class at the ends still causes issues for movement of standard class passengers when units run in multiple anyway.
I imagine it benefits First Class passengers as well. They'll never have to walk to the far end of the platform at any station to reach the First Class seating and an incorrect announcement or no announcement about the location of FC doesn't mean the FC passengers will have to walk from one end of the train to the other.
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