Tube Incidents - Discussion

21st July 2005, 14:37

Discuss the events of today's incidents in this thread.

Other thread here for news

David · 21st July 2005, 14:42

The person(s) who have caused these incidents are scum. They deserve to be treated as such. It is a shame we as a nation don't have a death penalty any more because that is exactly what they deserve.

yorkie · 21st July 2005, 15:26

There seem to be conflicting reports as to whether all lines are closed or just a few lines, and has no-one been injured? It sounds like no-one was (hope that's true), so were the blasts just to cause panic and not actually powerful blasts like last time? Or are the reports wrong?

tramboy · 21st July 2005, 15:28

There is talk of one person injured, but it just seems to have been detonators that have gone off and no explosives.

I must admit though, the first thing i did was make sure that my friend in London, who was on her way to work, was ok.

Cheers

Dave

jonb · 21st July 2005, 15:46

After a discussion with a friend we believe that this time the bombers may have met at Tottenham Court Road. Then one goes Westbound on the Central towards Shepherds Bush Another would go Northbound on a Northern Line train to Warren Street Then another would go South on a Northern Line train to Oval Can't think about the bus one though?

21st July 2005, 15:50

The incident occured on a Victoria Line train northbound to Warren Street

jd · 21st July 2005, 17:06

I heard the one man who was injured was one of the bombers - his backpack just exploded somewhere.

Jim · 21st July 2005, 17:39

I personally think they wanted to cause scare today. I don't think there were any bombs

Julian G · 21st July 2005, 17:52

it seems to be that a rusack was left on a 26 bus and it's still in there

21st July 2005, 17:54

1288gaje, that was said in the other thread mate...

yorkie · 21st July 2005, 19:26

I have two theories.

Firstly, they maybe didn't have bombs and their aim was to close Underground lines, put people off the Underground, cause panic, cause massive delays etc. If this is the case they succeeded.

Secondly, perhaps their bombs were faulty, and just the detanators went off. For all 4 to be faulty then that seems incredibly lucky, surely that can't be a co-incidence? Perhaps someone sabotaged them, in the knowledge that they would only injure the bombers themselves and would have a good chance of them being caught?

Personally I think the sabotage theory is more likely. I could, of course, be totally wrong!

David · 21st July 2005, 19:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by yorkie

I have two theories.

Firstly, they maybe didn't have bombs and their aim was to close Underground lines, put people off the Underground, cause panic, cause massive delays etc. If this is the case they succeeded.

Secondly, perhaps their bombs were faulty, and just the detanators went off. For all 4 to be faulty then that seems incredibly lucky, surely that can't be a co-incidence? Perhaps someone sabotaged them, in the knowledge that they would only injure the bombers themselves and would have a good chance of them being caught?

Personally I think the sabotage theory is more likely. I could, of course, be totally wrong!

I agree with your first theory. I think these 'bombs' were the work of pranksters who get their kicks from scaring people. I hope the police catch these 'jokers' and treat them as terrorists.

It's not just caused parts of London to be sealed of, but it is also damaging national confidence, and the economy.

yorkie · 22nd July 2005, 10:43

More info now at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4705303.stm

It seems clear now that they did have bombs and intended them to go off.

It was lucky that they didn't, but the question is why? Were they faulty? or badly made? or did someone sabotage them? It does seem a bit to co-incidental for all 4 to be faulty.

Dave A · 22nd July 2005, 11:03

I don't think these were the same group of people as the last ones as they were apprently "running away" when they left the bombs. The other 4 were all suicide bombers

"Very lucky" are the words to use! They obviously were there to kill and luckily they didn't.

When I heard about the three tube incidents, I was shouting at the TV, "For f's sake, bloody search the buses!" And then the reports came that a bus was targeted as well. The problem is that people think they know where, if they do and I hope not!, the bombers target, which seems to be the North, South, East and West and 3 tubes and 1 bus, which gives the bombers a chance to change their targets, un-beknown to us!

IMO: I have a feeling this is leading up to something much bigger!

yorkie · 22nd July 2005, 17:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by London Tube

I don't think these were the same group of people as the last ones as they were apprently "running away" when they left the bombs. The other 4 were all suicide bombers

The latest 4 were clearly also (attempted) suicide bombers, but when the bombs failed they obviously did not want to be caught and questioned so ran.

21st July 2005, 14:37	#1
Tom Guest Posts: n/a	Tube Incidents - Discussion Discuss the events of today's incidents in this thread. Other thread here for news

21st July 2005, 14:42	#2
David Talking Trains? Posts a bit too much... Join Date: 9 Jul 2005 Location: Scunthorpe, and occasionally in Grimsby Posts: 3,651	The person(s) who have caused these incidents are scum. They deserve to be treated as such. It is a shame we as a nation don't have a death penalty any more because that is exactly what they deserve. __________________ Something new coming soon to a computer near you! In the middle of a revamp - 2 Galleries complete, 4 to go, and lots more to be added after that.

21st July 2005, 15:46	#5
jonb TOC Owner Join Date: 8 Jun 2005 Location: Essex Posts: 1,635	After a discussion with a friend we believe that this time the bombers may have met at Tottenham Court Road. Then one goes Westbound on the Central towards Shepherds Bush Another would go Northbound on a Northern Line train to Warren Street Then another would go South on a Northern Line train to Oval Can't think about the bus one though? __________________ http://jon-bradley.fotopic.net

21st July 2005, 17:39	#8
Jim Posts a bit too much... Join Date: 11 Jun 2005 Location: Trowbridge Posts: 3,346	I personally think they wanted to cause scare today. I don't think there were any bombs __________________ Jim http://jimsphotoallery.fotopic.net

21st July 2005, 17:52	#9
Julian G A Londoner Posts a bit too much... Join Date: 9 Jun 2005 Location: Lillie Bridge Depot Posts: 3,598	it seems to be that a rusack was left on a 26 bus and it's still in there __________________ [07/03/09]1x03,1x07,1x08,4x14s,7x20s,1x24,3x25s,2x27,4x31s,5 x33s,11x37s,1x40,4x47s,1x50,2x52s,2x56s,1x59,4x66s 1x67,3x73s

21st July 2005, 15:26	#3
yorkie Resident Ticketing Expert Moderator Join Date: 6 Jun 2005 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 10,083	There seem to be conflicting reports as to whether all lines are closed or just a few lines, and has no-one been injured? It sounds like no-one was (hope that's true), so were the blasts just to cause panic and not actually powerful blasts like last time? Or are the reports wrong?

21st July 2005, 15:28	#4
tramboy RPI Join Date: 8 Jun 2005 Posts: 348	There is talk of one person injured, but it just seems to have been detonators that have gone off and no explosives. I must admit though, the first thing i did was make sure that my friend in London, who was on her way to work, was ok. Cheers Dave

21st July 2005, 15:50	#6
Tom Guest Posts: n/a	The incident occured on a Victoria Line train northbound to Warren Street

21st July 2005, 17:06	#7
jd Driver Join Date: 9 Jun 2005 Posts: 627	I heard the one man who was injured was one of the bombers - his backpack just exploded somewhere.

21st July 2005, 17:54	#10
Tom Guest Posts: n/a	1288gaje, that was said in the other thread mate...

21st July 2005, 19:26	#11
yorkie Resident Ticketing Expert Moderator Join Date: 6 Jun 2005 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 10,083	I have two theories. Firstly, they maybe didn't have bombs and their aim was to close Underground lines, put people off the Underground, cause panic, cause massive delays etc. If this is the case they succeeded. Secondly, perhaps their bombs were faulty, and just the detanators went off. For all 4 to be faulty then that seems incredibly lucky, surely that can't be a co-incidence? Perhaps someone sabotaged them, in the knowledge that they would only injure the bombers themselves and would have a good chance of them being caught? Personally I think the sabotage theory is more likely. I could, of course, be totally wrong!

22nd July 2005, 10:43	#13
yorkie Resident Ticketing Expert Moderator Join Date: 6 Jun 2005 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 10,083	More info now at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4705303.stm It seems clear now that they did have bombs and intended them to go off. It was lucky that they didn't, but the question is why? Were they faulty? or badly made? or did someone sabotage them? It does seem a bit to co-incidental for all 4 to be faulty.

22nd July 2005, 11:03	#14
Dave A My future control panel? Chief Executive Join Date: 7 Jun 2005 Posts: 1,175	I don't think these were the same group of people as the last ones as they were apprently "running away" when they left the bombs. The other 4 were all suicide bombers "Very lucky" are the words to use! They obviously were there to kill and luckily they didn't. When I heard about the three tube incidents, I was shouting at the TV, "For f's sake, bloody search the buses!" And then the reports came that a bus was targeted as well. The problem is that people think they know where, if they do and I hope not!, the bombers target, which seems to be the North, South, East and West and 3 tubes and 1 bus, which gives the bombers a chance to change their targets, un-beknown to us! IMO: I have a feeling this is leading up to something much bigger!