There are only two tracks at Welwyn North. One northbound, one southbound...Were there any other trains arriving at another platform?
Were there any other trains arriving at another platform?
There are many easy ways to check this sort of thing. You could use Google Maps, for instance. Or check out Wikipedia. Or the National Rail Enquiries website, where they have station plans and handy photographs. You could even go there and have a look if you had lots of time on your hands.Oh right, I had a feeling it'd be 2 platforms after the circumstances. I just wanted to check.
We've already been kindly informed that it passed the station 2 minutes late. Unless you have information to the contrary, or have experience of a systematic failure in one of the likely sources of the information posted here, this kind of contradictory speculation can easily be accidentally taken as a nuisance, and that would be unfortunate.Maybe it just arrived and left early, or very late?
That's a possibility, but I would think unlikely for a train that was only 2 minutes late.There's also the chance it had to go semi-fast as it was late?
Sigh...
There are many easy ways to check this sort of thing. You could use Google Maps, for instance. Or check out Wikipedia. Or the National Rail Enquiries website, where they have station plans and handy photographs. You could even go there and have a look if you had lots of time on your hands.
We've already been kindly informed that it passed the station 2 minutes late. Unless you have information to the contrary, or have experience of a systematic failure in one of the likely sources of the information posted here, this kind of contradictory speculation can easily be accidentally taken as a nuisance, and that would be unfortunate.
It's right there in post 2.
That's a possibility, but I would think unlikely for a train that was only 2 minutes late.
In conclusion, thank you for your efforts here, but we are no closer to establishing an explanation for the observations in the original post.
I'm sorry? Does this have meaning?Thanks for what you've said, there should always be a backup solution incase the original could be a lie. That's where I came from.
The train doesn't appear to have at any point been more than 2 minutes late, so this would be very strange. If it was run as Empty rather than in service (for whatever reason), for instance, it would be very strange for there not to be announcements to this effect. This is possibly what the OP is trying to establish.Well hang on, there's a bit more evidence than I thought? Maybe the original was cancelled and a ghost semi-fast called in? That's my other backup.
Anyone know what happened to it? It just vanished from the departures board after a train went past - presumably that train was meant to stop but didn't.
Also, why aren't there any announcements about where the train got to?
I'm sorry? Does this have meaning?
The train doesn't appear to have at any point been more than 2 minutes late, so this would be very strange. If it was run as Empty rather than in service (for whatever reason), for instance, it would be very strange for there not to be announcements to this effect. This is possibly what the OP is trying to establish.
Which departure board are you referring to?
The possibility that the OP may have somehow not seen the train seems the most likely explanation so far
Shows on TRUST as "Fail to Stop" at Welwyn North yesterday
I would strongly recommend to VTPreston_Tez a study of Chapter 7 of the "Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus" by Ludwig Wittgenstein.
All of it.
I'm not a driver so can't really answer that one though would guess that it is better to admit it sooner rather than later but preferably when at a stand.Out of interest, when does the driver report that he's missed the stop? As soon as it happens, or does he wait until he reaches the end of the journey?
Agree that something should have been said, I'm sure that some placatory waffle would be more welcome than silence.I'm curious because of the lack of information from FCC when it happened. A short "Sorry, the train failed to stop, please catch the next one" would have eliminated a lot of the confusion on the platform.
Of course not, the problem would also be much less likely to arise on a line where all trains stop at all stations.presumably automatic trains like the central line never have that problem?
Thanks.
Out of interest, when does the driver report that he's missed the stop? As soon as it happens, or does he wait until he reaches the end of the journey?
I'm curious because of the lack of information from FCC when it happened. A short "Sorry, the train failed to stop, please catch the next one" would have eliminated a lot of the confusion on the platform.
When the driver looks at the running card and sees the station on there or when he gets to the end of the journey and there is a manager stood there looking very unhappy.Out of interest, when does the driver report that he's missed the stop? As soon as it happens, or does he wait until he reaches the end of the journey?
Its an automatic system that works off track circuits, it isnt routinely watched over, do you know how many trains are running on the network at any given time and how many people it would take to watch it.I'm curious because of the lack of information from FCC when it happened. A short "Sorry, the train failed to stop, please catch the next one" would have eliminated a lot of the confusion on the platform.
Look on the bright side, by missing Welwyn North out it should have reached its terminating point on time!
On tube lines, trains stop at every station.
I'm afraid that isn't 100% correct. Metropolitan Line services can be semi-fast and have different calling patterns at peak and off-peak times.
I thought they scrapped all fast off-peak Met line trains in December?
I thought they scrapped all fast off-peak Met line trains in December?
On tube lines, trains stop at every station.
I've seen a few running in recent weeks in the middle of the day, presumably to sort out earlier out of course delays?
I was referring to the Metropolitan line trains in general. Some stop at all stations, but some definitely don't. I am not entirely sure about off-peak fast services, but I believe there are a few to Amersham and Chesham, here and there! I was replying to this comment:
As you can see, this is a bit of an over-simplification, and I was merely trying to point out that not every Metropolitan Line train stops at every Metropolitan Line station!
So have I. I believe there might be a few scheduled ones. However, I usually use the Metropolitan Line between Great Portland Street and Farringdon, and I don't pay too much attention to calling patterns on this part of the network, so I can't be sure.