Loco's To The Rescue

[RichmondCommu]

G'day everyone,

If for instance a freight train fails blocking the line do Network Rail have the power to instruct a rival FOC to help rescue the train? I know this is all very hypothetical but I'm curious!

Many thanks,

Richmond Commuter!

 

[driver9000]

I don't know if Network Rail can order an operator to send out a loco to assist another operators demic. When it comes to failures the plan is to get them shifted as soon as possible and if the nearest is another company then they would be approached to see if they can assist. In my experience companies will assist if they can, after all it may be in their interests to if they use that route too.

 

[jopsuk]

The other company is almost certain to use that route if they have a depot nearby with a loco that can assist; very much in their interest to get the line clear

 

[michael769]

There is also the matter of quid pro quo.

At the end of the day any ToC that is asked to help will be well aware that next time it could be one of their trains broken down and needing help from another operator.

 

[Bald Rick]

G'day everyone,

If for instance a freight train fails blocking the line do Network Rail have the power to instruct a rival FOC to help rescue the train? I know this is all very hypothetical but I'm curious!

Many thanks,

Richmond Commuter!

In theory yes, although it rarely comes to that. If it is another company's loco, then NR pays for the hire.

 

[ushawk]

2 Freightliner 86s came off their own freight to move a failed DRS 37 near Rugby about 2 weeks ago - so it does happen.

 

[ainsworth74]

2 Freightliner 87s came off their own freight to move a failed DRS 37 near Rugby about 2 weeks ago - so it does happen.

86s surely?

 

[ushawk]

86s surely?

Yes, must of put 7 as i was thinking of "37"

 

[krus_aragon]

In theory yes, although it rarely comes to that. If it is another company's loco, then NR pays for the hire.

And sends the bill to the breakdown's FOC?

 

[captainbigun]

In theory yes, although it rarely comes to that. If it is another company's loco, then NR pays for the hire.

Ha ha, you're kidding aren't you?! That is not my experience.

NR can commandeer the nearest suitable traction to move a failed train, there's no argument and it's part of the track access agreement to do so.

 

[Bald Rick]

Ha ha, you're kidding aren't you?! That is not my experience.

NR can commandeer the nearest suitable traction to move a failed train, there's no argument and it's part of the track access agreement to do so.

Well I can personally attest to being hauled up by a former Chief Exec for having an invoice arrive for a rescue loco hire from a FOC but no purchase order to explain it...

 

[WL113]

As a general rule, if something has sat down main line, the nearest suitable power will be used to shift it. The headcode 1Z99 being used.

 

[12CSVT]

From what I understand, if the failed train is a passenger service (Norwich - Liverpool Street class 90 hauled, East Coast class 91 hauled , or a railtour hauled by heritage traction for example), there are all sorts of restrictions relating to safety cases as to what motive power can rescue the train.

 

[RichmondCommu]

From what I understand, if the failed train is a passenger service (Norwich - Liverpool Street class 90 hauled, East Coast class 91 hauled , or a railtour hauled by heritage traction for example), there are all sorts of restrictions relating to safety cases as to what motive power can rescue the train.

In other words if its a freezing cold day a Class 66 would not be requested to drag a failed Class 91?

 

[FLHH East Anglia]

In other words if its a freezing cold day a Class 66 would not be requested to drag a failed Class 91?

It works something like this,i think, ''rescue loco/crew goes on the rescued safety case''.

 

[12CSVT]

In other words if its a freezing cold day a Class 66 would not be requested to drag a failed Class 91?

No, they'd request the nearest 67 on thunderbird duties - even if it means the 67 stabled at Kings Cross being sent out to Grantham when there is a long line of DBS 66s stabled at Peterborough.

If a Greater Anglia class 90 brought the wires down at Stratford, the DRS 47 on hire to Anglia would be called out even if it is at Norwich

 

[HSTEd]

No, they'd request the nearest 67 on thunderbird duties - even if it means the 67 stabled at Kings Cross being sent out to Grantham when there is a long line of DBS 66s stabled at Peterborough.

If a Greater Anglia class 90 brought the wires down at Stratford, the DRS 47 on hire to Anglia would be called out even if it is at Norwich

Why does this make me think that Chiltern style gen fitted DVTs are a good thing for general deployment on all routes?

 

[jopsuk]

I don't know about the GE ones, but when I've taken my bike on EC, the DVT has been well used for bikes, other luggage and catering stores

 

[RichmondCommu]

No, they'd request the nearest 67 on thunderbird duties - even if it means the 67 stabled at Kings Cross being sent out to Grantham when there is a long line of DBS 66s stabled at Peterborough.

Yes, I'd gathered that! And if you'd read my post a little more carefully you would have realised this too! Attention to detail is everything.

 

[deltic1989]

I did see a video of a 59, shoveing a failed HST once. The best part about this was the 59 had a fully loaded stone train in tow too I'll try to find the link

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Found the link .

 

[IanXC]

I did see a video of a 59, shoveing a failed HST once. The best part about this was the 59 had a fully loaded stone train in tow too I'll try to find the link

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Found the link .

I'd forgotten about that! Shows quite how very impressive the 59s are!

 

[34D]

From what I understand, if the failed train is a passenger service (Norwich - Liverpool Street class 90 hauled, East Coast class 91 hauled , or a railtour hauled by heritage traction for example), there are all sorts of restrictions relating to safety cases as to what motive power can rescue the train.

Not sure about that, however not all that long ago, GNER 91s were rescued by all sorts of interesting motive power, including a pair of 31s only around 10 years ago I believe (there is a youtube video).

Clearing the line and hauling the train through to its destination are different

 

[dstrat]

91 being pushed by a 66 for your informations!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-ztB-AIWxs

 

[GB]

There was also a case a while back of a Freightliner 66 assisting a faled NXEA loco hauled set on the GEML.

 

[Ferret]

Freightliner provided a shed to shift the Cruiseliner the other week when the duffs stuffed the job completely. To answer the OP - railway companies do co-operate with each other, far more than some people think.