Anti-social behaviour on DOO services - what can be done?

[bailey65]

I would imagine that inner city routes would be worse where you are more likely to get if you like gang type youths and general underclass.
I won't mention other certain groups for fear of being accused of something in this pc age especially on this forum.

 

[Flamingo]

they are also the lines where the most delay minutes will occur if the train is held (and subsequent nausea for the guard).

 

[wessex]

How would a driver be able to tweet while he's driving? Wouldn't a hands-free phone in the cab be safer?

I was referring tp pasengers who feel anti social behaviour is worthy of a tweet, enough tweets should get a response

 

[sheff1]

In South Yorkshire, the PTE (or whatever the latest name is) have posters on stations, tram stops etc saying something like 'report it' and giving a number to ring if you encounter anti-social beahviour on the network. I have no idea what happens if you do phone the number as I have never had any call to use it.

Bus drivers are in a completely different situation to on train staff. Firstly they can, and do, refuse to allow people behaving inapproriately onto the vehicle in the first place. If 'trouble' starts en route it is far easier to stop and get people off on a public road than in a moving train and, if the perpetrators refuse to leave, a local police patrol can fairly quickly be brought to the scene.

 

[BestWestern]

I always think of my mum using a train a few years ago, when she was in her 70's. She was travelling on her own, some drunks got on her train, ahe was terrified (I think she couldn't move carriages because of the train layout), and she said "I never saw anybody who I felt could help", the guard didn't come through (again, might have been because of the stock, but she didn't know that). Every time she travelled long distance after that, it was by bus.

TBH this is what I use to motivate myself to (ignore company instructions and) go through trouble trains, as I don't know who is trapped down there that might need help.

Very sobering. I will always go through a train, regardless of whether or not I am doing revenue duties; excepting those few instances where it is pretty much impossible due to people being stood everywhere. There are services, usually late weekend trips with lots of 'revelers' who have walked straight through open barriers onto unstaffed platforms, where I don't attempt ticket checks but I will always make my presence felt; nice clear announcements ("...CCTV is in operation throughout the train" is always worthwhile), and walking through regularly. Sadly though there are still far too many among us who do the bare minimum

 

[Flamingo]

Very sobering. I will always go through a train, regardless of whether or not I am doing revenue duties; excepting those few instances where it is pretty much impossible due to people being stood everywhere. There are services, usually late weekend trips with lots of 'revelers' who have walked straight through open barriers onto unstaffed platforms, where I don't attempt ticket checks but I will always make my presence felt; nice clear announcements ("...CCTV is in operation throughout the train" is always worthwhile), and walking through regularly. Sadly though there are still far too many among us who do the bare minimum

On HST's at night I will always announce "We have police on board if there are any issues", 99% of the time I am lying, but with 8 carriages nobody really knows unless they walk through.

 

[Butts]

On HST's at night I will always announce "We have police on board if there are any issues", 99% of the time I am lying, but with 8 carriages nobody really knows unless they walk through.

Why don't you say "we have plain clothes BTP officers onboard"

 

[Flamingo]

Naw, it doesn't pay to be too specific. If I have uniformed BTP I will say always say so on every train, but I don't often have the opportunity on evening trains. Usually there is somebody with a Warrant Card on board somewhere, though. Although I have had occasion where they were the problem, not the solution.

 

[Butts]

Naw, it doesn't pay to be too specific. If I have uniformed BTP I will say always say so on every train, but I don't often have the opportunity on evening trains. Usually there is somebody with a Warrant Card on board somewhere, though. Although I have had occasion where they were the problem, not the solution.

Perhaps you need "Train Marshalls" like the Air Marshall variety.....in reality from my experience this sort of nuisance is quite rare.

I have caught many late trains from Edinburgh to Falkirk after my North of England trips without witnessing any grief.

The most amusing part of the OP was that he seemed more agrieved that they were flicking fag ash on the table than that they were smoking. You could argue it was more considerate than using the floor !!!

 

[BestWestern]

Perhaps you need "Train Marshalls" like the Air Marshall variety.....in reality from my experience this sort of nuisance is quite rare.

I have caught many late trains from Edinburgh to Falkirk after my North of England trips without witnessing any grief.

The most amusing part of the OP was that he seemed more agrieved that they were flicking fag ash on the table than that they were smoking. You could argue it was more considerate than using the floor !!!

But less considerate than the usual practice of using the bog! I think that perhaps offers a good illustration of the DOO situation; on a service with a Guard the louts will sneak into the toilets for a fag, on a DOO they'll just sit in the saloon!

 

[Flamingo]

But less considerate than the usual practice of using the bog! I think that perhaps offers a good illustration of the DOO situation; on a service with a Guard the louts will sneak into the toilets for a fag, on a DOO they'll just sit in the saloon!

Don't call Butts a lout!

 

[BestWestern]

Sorry, I was generalising of course

 

[jon0844]

On HST's at night I will always announce "We have police on board if there are any issues", 99% of the time I am lying, but with 8 carriages nobody really knows unless they walk through.

Every time I've heard the driver ask if there's a police officer on board a FCC train, there has been! Okay, so it hasn't happened that often (three times I think) but you probably do have a good chance of their being at least one off duty officer on your train!

 

[scotsman]

I once came off a railtour I'd been working and got on a local ScotRail service. It was full of drunk, ****ed off Scotland fans. I needed the bog and thought I was going to get hassle off them when I went through the train (I was still in uniform). Instead, they all suddenly toned down the language, lowered their voices and moved their legs/booze/whatever out of the aisle. I reckon it was the badge (which read STEWARD) wot done it

 

[Flamingo]

I once came off a railtour I'd been working and got on a local ScotRail service. It was full of drunk, ****ed off Scotland fans. I needed the bog and thought I was going to get hassle off them when I went through the train (I was still in uniform). Instead, they all suddenly toned down the language, lowered their voices and moved their legs/booze/whatever out of the aisle. I reckon it was the badge (which read STEWARD) wot done it

You are probably right - never annoy the barman!

 

[Thumper Bill]

I would imagine that inner city routes would be worse where you are more likely to get if you like gang type youths and general underclass.
I won't mention other certain groups for fear of being accused of something in this pc age especially on this forum.

An inner city 'gangsta' is not a person in the true sense of the word so we should be allowed to shoot them.

 

[Buttsy]

Perhaps you need "Train Marshalls" like the Air Marshall variety.....in reality from my experience this sort of nuisance is quite rare.

I have caught many late trains from Edinburgh to Falkirk after my North of England trips without witnessing any grief.

The most amusing part of the OP was that he seemed more agrieved that they were flicking fag ash on the table than that they were smoking. You could argue it was more considerate than using the floor !!!

Why is it that some people always consider themselves above the law and insist on inflicting their toxins on everyone else?

 

[A-driver]

Every time I've heard the driver ask if there's a police officer on board a FCC train, there has been! Okay, so it hasn't happened that often (three times I think) but you probably do have a good chance of their being at least one off duty officer on your train!

During the Olympics when all the police forces from up north were staying in Hatfield uni halls of residence and commuting into London quite a few trains, especially late ones, had more uniformed coppers on them than regular punters! At least I knew I wouldn't have any trouble on those ones!

 

[jon0844]

Did you see my photo of the train at Hatfield (where most of the police were staying)? On one train, about 50+ alighted - all in uniform! I couldn't tell where they were all from, bar the Welsh ones that have the bi-lingual uniforms (so they weren't all from up north!).

I bet FCC didn't have any problems on their line during that time!

 

[A-driver]

I mainly met the Durham ones-2 of them (including the Sargent) came up to me one night at the x saying they had always wanted to ride in the cab of a train and as I was in a good mood I let them jump in. Don't think they would have got a seat in the rest of the train for all the other policemen! Saw those 2 guys most nights that week.

 

[Butts]

Don't call Butts a lout!

I've never sneaked into the bog for a fag- but this thread is giving me ideas
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Why is it that some people always consider themselves above the law and insist on inflicting their toxins on everyone else?

Indeed...I've had to avoid many "technicolour yawns" - the worst and most colourful variety is "purple rain" (lager and black) - whilst traversing the high street after a night out.

 

[scotsman]

You are probably right - never annoy the barman!

I work in a bar - you would be surprised!

 

[Buttsy]

Indeed...I've had to avoid many "technicolour yawns" - the worst and most colourful variety is "purple rain" (lager and black) - whilst traversing the high street after a night out.

At least you can avoid them, unlike being forced to inhale smoke in an enclosed space against one's will.

Vomit is also biodegradable.

 

[Butts]

At least you can avoid them, unlike being forced to inhale smoke in an enclosed space against one's will.

Are you by any chance a non-smoker and if so would you suggest the reintroduction of smoking carriages would alleviate the problem ?

 

[Buttsy]

I once was a smoker and am no longer such.

I just believe it is selfish of smokers that they can't seem to last more than 45 minutes without needed a fag and so even at footy ground toilets I have to put up with something I now realise is very anti-social.

Rather than smoking carriages, just obey the law for once, it's not difficult.

 

[Flamingo]

Are you by any chance a non-smoker and if so would you suggest the reintroduction of smoking carriages would alleviate the problem ?

Don't go there, it won't happen (however much you wish for it!), don't start the arguement!

 

[Butts]

I once was a smoker and am no longer such.

I just believe it is selfish of smokers that they can't seem to last more than 45 minutes without needed a fag and so even at footy ground toilets I have to put up with something I now realise is very anti-social.

Rather than smoking carriages, just obey the law for once, it's not difficult.

Are you against smoking on the open areas of Platforms (as is permitted in most Stations in Scotland)

or have you gone "native"

 

[Buttsy]

I was at Virginia Water on Sunday and someone was smoking on the platform. I didn't say anything. He's taken a risk of getting prosecuted, his gamble, like he's taking with his health.

My biggest gripe against smokers in the open is littering and they never get fined for it even though someone near has done for dropping paper.

 

[Butts]

I was at Virginia Water on Sunday and someone was smoking on the platform. I didn't say anything. He's taken a risk of getting prosecuted, his gamble, like he's taking with his health.

My biggest gripe against smokers in the open is littering and they never get fined for it even though someone near has done for dropping paper.

Shock horror someone smoking on an open station platform - see if you can find how many prosecutions there were in the whole of England for this "offence" last year - my guess single figures if that !!

They do say ex-smokers are the worst and you are certainly giving credence to that argument.

I take it you never exceed the speed limit !!

 

[Buttsy]

Shock horror someone smoking on an open station platform - see if you cna find how many prosecutions there were in the whole of England for this "offence" last year - my guess single figures.

They do say ex-smokers are the worst and you are certainly giving credence to that argument.

Fine, take that view if you want to. i lost a friend to lung cancer who had never smoked and two otehrs close to me who did smoke through the same illness. I'm signing off this now as it has upset me. You seem to be a very selfish person.