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Xenophon PCDGS

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Gilfach Fargoed & Three Oaks (or is it Doleham) would be examples. Having boarded trains at Braystones, Falls Of Cruachan and Berney Arms, the guard has used the local door to allow passengers on even though there were other doors adjacent to the platform.

The new station platform at Conon Bridge (this railway station, situated between Muir of Ord and Dingwall, was opened a matter of a month ago) that was constructed to a high standard, is only 15 metres in length. One has to remember the type of units that use this line.
 
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Not concerned with feelings of inadequacy but I agree with the OP that as the platform length is fixed (for that location) and the train length varies then the announcement should be that the train is too long for the platform.
But when has the railway been concerned about the niceties of the English language. Station stop/Final terminus!!/..will call at the following principal stations:-Gowerton/Journeycheck updates unable to cope with the past tense.
 

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But during a single journey (barring splitting services) the train remains the same length, whilst each platform is of a different length
(he says, perpetuating the borderline metaphysical wibble)
 

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Yeah. I've always interpreted it as "compared to all the other stations with their perfectly adequate long platforms, THIS station has a short platform".


"Due to a long train, customers for Clapham Junction should join the front 6 coaches" just sounds confusing to me ;)
 

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So, once again, we get idiocy excused as humour.

Well, fair enough. If this is just a silly thread full of wibble and not a discussion about the railway perhaps it should be moved to a more appropriate part of the forum.

O L Leigh

Yet still you feel compelled to comment :roll:

Labelling the OP an idiot is a bit rich.

If you don't like it, you don't have to read it. Simples. If you think it's inappropriate or in the wrong place, that's what the 'Report' button is for.
 

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Yet still you feel compelled to comment :roll:

Labelling the OP an idiot is a bit rich.

If you don't like it, you don't have to read it. Simples. If you think it's inappropriate or in the wrong place, that's what the 'Report' button is for.

...as you could have done with my post if you'd felt it wide of the mark rather than simply being patronising.

I certainly don't recall calling the OP an idiot. I simply asked what he was going on about.

O L Leigh
 

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At Isleworth the platform is too short for the 8 coach 450s but not the older 455s or the slammers before them.
 

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As for the number of doors opened on Cl170s, it all depends on where in the train the conductor is when he deselects the doors. They certainly do know how the SDO works and do not release doors not accommodated on the platform.

Thats interesting - on 170s, when travelling eastbound, and calling at South Milford on TPE services to Hull if the service is formed of 2x 170, the Guard can be seen to open a panel on each door on the rearmost coach, and presumably isolate the door.

I guess the 170 fleet must have some with and some without SDO?
 

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The Costwold line is fun on an HST. Depending on which station, sometimes its the rear of the train, and sometimes its the front. Lots of exercise for the TM, but most regular passengers on that line know which coach to sit in in order to get off
 

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Gilfach Fargoed & Three Oaks (or is it Doleham) would be examples.

Having boarded trains at Braystones, Falls Of Crucahan and Berney Arms, the guard has used the local door to allow passengers on even though there were other doors adjacent to the platform.
There are quite a lot of stations that have short platforms, but problems will also occur when the train itself is formed of more carriages than will normally call at the shorter stations. The local door procedure that I have been trained on is that you open the front door only, regardless of how many doors fit on the platform, even if you've got a 6 car set on a 5 car platform, front door only.
 

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Ah, the 442s. Clapham Junction has a very borderline example relating to them. The very last door on Victoria bound trains always seem to overhang the curve at the platform's end, and one occasion wasn't even on. Walking up past the "passengers must not pass this point" got me a very strange look from a member of staff.

Perhaps I should pack a hi-vis vest just in case it happens again.
 

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The Costwold line is fun on an HST. Depending on which station, sometimes its the rear of the train, and sometimes its the front. Lots of exercise for the TM, but most regular passengers on that line know which coach to sit in in order to get off

And it can be different at the same station on different days if the train is reverse formed.
 

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If the train is in reverse formation it will generally be the opposite to normal. The idea is to platform the TGS unless the signalling prevents it. I'm not sure which stations that affects on the Cotswold Line though.
 

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If the train is in reverse formation it will generally be the opposite to normal. The idea is to platform the TGS unless the signalling prevents it. I'm not sure which stations that affects on the Cotswold Line though.

On a Saturday, Shipton, Normal Formation on the UP, Coach H only
 

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I remember returning from Stroud a couple of years back on a very lightly loaded late running evening HST on a Cheltenham-Swindon working which was returning to Swindon before going ECS to St Philips Marsh. This must be a pain of a route to work with an HST as each station has a different portion of the train platformed. The particular Train Manager solved the problem by locking the entire standard class accommodation out of use and only using the first class! This resulted in quite a lot of time being regained.
 

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On a Saturday, Shipton, Normal Formation on the UP, Coach H only

Perhaps there aren't HST stops boards fitted at Shipton then. They're required for the train to stop with the TGS platformed if the TGS is at the rear. The HST stop boards have been fitted pretty much everywhere though including Yeovil Junction-Exeter St Davids and Castle Cary-Weymouth.
 

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In nearly the same spirit as the OP, the standard TPE announcement on leaving Manchester Piccadilly to head north is:

"We apologise for the overcrowding on this service:this is due to the large number of passengers"

Since this is so regular, perhaps replace by: "......due to the train not being long enough"
 

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In nearly the same spirit as the OP, the standard TPE announcement on leaving Manchester Piccadilly to head north is:

"We apologise for the overcrowding on this service:this is due to the large number of passengers"

Since this is so regular, perhaps replace by: "......due to the train not being long enough"

YES!

Someone else who challenges inappropriate announcements whose frequent use makes them seem correct.

Praise to the original poster.:)

Negative easements anyone??
 

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Thats interesting - on 170s, when travelling eastbound, and calling at South Milford on TPE services to Hull if the service is formed of 2x 170, the Guard can be seen to open a panel on each door on the rearmost coach, and presumably isolate the door.

I guess the 170 fleet must have some with and some without SDO?

We have to do that with 6 car 185 formations if we are due to stop at liver south p/way, Warrington cent, or sesame (chester-le) street. as the platforms can only take 5 cars it is either isolate the rear 3 by the udb (unit door block) switch and despatch from the GOP or lock the carriage doors of the rear coach out of use. With Yarm the rear 3 have to be isolated as you can get barely 3 1/2 on.

As a throwback to my XC days the 09:03 PAD-MAN sat used to be formed of a west coast hst set (8+2) with a Solihull stop at 6 car length which a hst set was too long for but with grandfather rights was allowed to release doors and away the punters went. On introduction of voyagers said wc hst was replaced by 2x220 coupled together. Because of the Solihull stop back 4 locked out of use!!!

Oh, by the way. The hst buffet car on a sat morning did a roaring trade. Excess of £500 between slough and leamington spa. 8 cars.
Voyager, 4 cars. With the embarassing situation of the rear 4 LOOU for the sake of one station stop no one used! full and standing from reading with still the Thames valley stops still to go and people left behind. Shop takes less than £50. That is just 10% for the same train time.

You do the maths. And they call this progress!!!
 

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We have to do that with 6 car 185 formations if we are due to stop at liver south p/way, Warrington cent, or sesame (chester-le) street. as the platforms can only take 5 cars it is either isolate the rear 3 by the udb (unit door block) switch and despatch from the GOP or lock the carriage doors of the rear coach out of use.

Did First TPE experience a similar problem at Salford Crescent with 6 car Class 185 formations, which hopefully will be eradicated once the platform lengthening is completed. One such journey was the service that leaves Manchester Airport just prior to 0930 comprised of a 3-car set to Windermere and a 3-car set to Blackpool, that split at Preston.
 

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Did First TPE experience a similar problem at Salford Crescent with 6 car Class 185 formations, which hopefully will be eradicated once the platform lengthening is completed. One such journey was the service that leaves Manchester Airport just prior to 0930 comprised of a 3-car set to Windermere and a 3-car set to Blackpool, that split at Preston.
Yes, 6 cars are too long as it currently stands. Although I don't know the arrangements for 185's here. I sign the route and traction but use SFC only for reversal movements and not as a station stop
 

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I remember returning from Stroud a couple of years back on a very lightly loaded late running evening HST on a Cheltenham-Swindon working which was returning to Swindon before going ECS to St Philips Marsh. This must be a pain of a route to work with an HST as each station has a different portion of the train platformed. The particular Train Manager solved the problem by locking the entire standard class accommodation out of use and only using the first class! This resulted in quite a lot of time being regained.

This happens often on the HST from Paignton - Newton Abbot in the evenings.
 

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I regularly complain about this to my fellow passengers on the Uckfield line. The reality is that the platform (well in most cases) was built before the train and therefore it is the train that is too long not the platform that is too short.

Announcements that delays are caused by congestion also irritate me on the basis that the congestion is a symptom of the original delay, not the cause of it.
 

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The local door procedure that I have been trained on is that you open the front door only, regardless of how many doors fit on the platform, even if you've got a 6 car set on a 5 car platform, front door only.
Do the trains you work on have designated doors for things like wheelchairs and bicycles, which may have trouble traversing a carriage? I'm trying to understand how a policy like that could work.
 

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Do the trains you work on have designated doors for things like wheelchairs and bicycles, which may have trouble traversing a carriage? I'm trying to understand how a policy like that could work.
Yes. You just use your common sense and good customer service when people are boarding by asking them where they are going.
 

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YES!


Someone else who challenges inappropriate announcements whose frequent use makes them seem correct.


I regularly complain about this to my fellow passengers on the Uckfield line. The reality is that the platform (well in most cases) was built before the train and therefore it is the train that is too long not the platform that is too short.

Announcements that delays are caused by congestion also irritate me on the basis that the congestion is a symptom of the original delay, not the cause of it.

Oh, the pedantry. What shall we do? Run shorter trains?

O L Leigh
 
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