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London to Calais fares?

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Greeby

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Just to note that there are now instructions for staff on how to issue the control tickets on their respective TIS - just send you friendly booking clerk in that direction if they shrug their shoulders and say don't know guv.

So there's no excuses now for people to upset the French by not having one to give them. ;)

The Tribute instructions were added as previously, the control tickets were missing from the Supplements box. I chased up with Southeastern and they got it fixed.

I checked the London Terminals fare yesterday on my Tribute. The route is now "P&O NOT HS". so it looks like the party is over.
 
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BrownE

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Should you find yourself stuck with someone a little unsure on how to use the system, you could give them a gentle pointer for the control tickets which seem to be the problem.

Tribute
Miscellaneous Functions > Optional Supplements using codes CON (outward) and COT (Inward

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Other tickets > Manual Fares > Manual supplement codes CON (outward) and COT (Inward)
 

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If using Virgin for the Tamworth-Euston and return legs, have you considered buying Tamworth-London Intl (CIV) rather than just to Euston? The fares appear to be the same and it would give more cover in the event of disruption on either leg. I suspect you would need to book all tickets in one transaction at your local booking office though.
 

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If using Virgin for the Tamworth-Euston and return legs, have you considered buying Tamworth-London Intl (CIV) rather than just to Euston? The fares appear to be the same and it would give more cover in the event of disruption on either leg. I suspect you would need to book all tickets in one transaction at your local booking office though.
I already have the tickets for that leg now.
I live quite far away from my nearest station anyway. (16 miles without a car is quite far)

I got from the LM site
 

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I suspect you would need to book all tickets in one transaction at your local booking office though.
You can buy tickets to or from London Intl (CIV) from Raileasy without having to buy or show proof of any other tickets, though the Raileasy site does attract booking and card fees. You would have to buy the tickets to Calais before you travel though.
 

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I checked the London Terminals fare yesterday on my Tribute. The route is now "P&O NOT HS". so it looks like the party is over.

Interesting. This must have been done quite recently as brfares.com still lists it as "STENA P&O", last updated 2 Jan.

This news aside, I agree with those who argue that the statement in the manual that these tickets are not valid on HS1 does not form part of the contract. Neither, then, does the manual's relaxation of railcard restrictions. If you want to rely on the manual to use your Network Railcard before 10am on this ticket, then you also need to accept the manual's statement that you can't use HS1.

This is moot, though, now that the route code has been updated as Greeby said.
 

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If you want to rely on the manual to use your Network Railcard before 10am on this ticket, then you also need to accept the manual's statement that you can't use HS1.
At today's date, The Manual does not state that a London Terminals - Calais ticket is not valid via HS1. Greeby has stated that, for one type of ticket machine, "P&O NOT HS" is shown in the "Route" field on this ticket.

I agree that a passenger holding a London Terminals - Calais route P&O NOT HS ticket would need to pay a Supplement if they wanted to travel by HS1. A passenger holding a London Terminals - Calais route Stena P&O ticket would not.
 
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At today's date, The Manual does not state that a London Terminals - Calais ticket is not valid via HS1. Greeby has stated that, for one type of ticket machine, "P&O NOT HS" is shown in the "Route" field on this ticket.

Au contraire...The Manual does state that such tickets are not valid on HS1, though it's tucked away in the "Tickets" section of the relevant page.

I suspect the change to the route printed on the ticket is intended to take effect with NFM15, but some TIS will implement it earlier depending on when they get their fares update.

Cheers,

Barry
 

John @ home

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Au contraire...The Manual does state that such tickets are not valid on HS1, though it's tucked away in the "Tickets" section of the relevant page.
Thanks. I've found it now and amended post #217.
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Normal Anytime Day Return tickets may be issued by ticket machines. Travel on Southeastern High Speed services is not included. There are no time restrictions on travel.

It is important that the correct route is shown on the tickets as indicated. Unrouted tickets must not be issued as this could cause severe problems to our customers. A control ticket needs to be issued.
Elsewhere on that page, the destination is described as "Calais H426" and the route as "via Dover Eastern Docks routed P&O Stena Line (850)".
 

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I agree that a passenger holding a London Terminals - Calais route P&O NOT HS ticket would need to pay a Supplement if they wanted to travel by HS1. A passenger holding a London Terminals - Calais route Stena P&O ticket would not.

Yes, this is what I have been trying to convey to people intending to use HS1 in my opening post and more recently here.

In line with S. 13 (d) of the NRCOC any restriction to the permuted routes must be shown on the ticket itself, as up until now the only restriction ha been "Stena P&O" you have been able to use any permitted route to Dover Priory regardless of what 'The Manual' has said.

The relevant bit I have highlighted

The link above is to the Oct 2011 NRCoC as NRE still don't seem to be able to provide us with an up-to-date version, just the 2011 one.

NRCoC said:
13. The route you are entitled to take

(a) You may travel between the stations shown on the ticket you hold in:

(i) a through train;

(ii) trains which take the shortest route which can be used by scheduled
passenger services; or

(iii) trains which take the routes shown in the National Routeing Guide
(details as to how you can obtain this information will be available
when you buy your ticket).

(b) If you are using a Zonal Ticket you may travel in trains which take any route within

the zone or zones shown on the ticket.

(c) Together, the routes referred to in (a) (ii), (a) (iii) and (b) above are the

“permitted routes”.

(d) The use of some tickets may be restricted to trains which take:

(i) routes passing through, or avoiding, particular locations; or

(ii) the most direct route.

These restrictions will be shown on the ticket.

(e) If you make your journey by a route other than those referred to in (a) and (b)

above, you will be liable to pay an excess fare. This excess fare will be the

difference between the price paid for the ticket you hold and the price of the

lowest priced ticket(s) available for immediate travel that would have entitled you

to travel by that route.

(f) For the purposes of this Condition, a “through train” is one which may be

used by a passenger to make their entire journey without changing trains.
 

ywy1234

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Bought one at Oxford station this morning, and just noticed the validity changed to "P AND O NOT HS" on the tube to St Pancras :(
 

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For just a tiny bit more clarity could the route field not say P&O NOT HS1 ?
 

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You can pay for a HS1 supplement, it costs about £3.70 with a railcard, one way.

You are not tied to any boat, you check in to the one you want when you get there, if it's busy then you may have to wait for a few sailings.

The route says 'P AND O NOT HS'.

When you get the control tickets make sure you get one for each way as both of mine said 'London Terminals - Calais' when one should've said 'Calais - London', wasn't such a big deal but they had to photocopy my ticket in Calais instead of use the control ticket.
 

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The railcard discounts have never shown on Brfares for this ticket, just take the normal price and times by 0.66 to get a third off.
 

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Is Calais the only option or can one still get tickets to further afield? I remember when I was living in France I got a BIJ ticket from Maidstone East to Paris, handwritten on a carbon paper booklet like airline tickets used to be. I'm sure I got something similar to Lille where I then changed onto an overnight Corail train to Strasbourg which was full of French Army.

That was *only* 20 years ago.
 

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Sadly, that was in the days when rail-sea was the (only) way to go.
You'd have to book separately from Calais-Ville.
 

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Just wondering what the abbreviations YNG (post # 231) and BIJ (post # 234) stand for. BIJ = British International Journey?

Thanks in advance.
 

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A reminder that abbreviations must be explained please, especially unusual ones.

Even I am stumped by BIJ.
 

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BIJ is Billet International de Jeunessse - the European discount scheme for under-26s. IIRC it's 30% off any international journeys.
 

alex17595

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may attempt this journey tommorow, depending how late LM Is into london .



any idea where would be the best place to get the tickets?
 
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