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Refurbished Eurostar?

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FGW couldn't get people to pay for TV on a 6 hour trip so I can't see £20 for some limited AVOD really working.

Rather then a moving map, maybe have something like the ICEs (and presumably the new sets) have which is a much classier version of the LED screens on UK stock. Information displayed is calling points, speed, service information, next station with ETA, Train and Coach number and current time.
 
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FGW couldn't get people to pay for TV on a 6 hour trip so I can't see £20 for some limited AVOD really working.

Rather then a moving map, maybe have something like the ICEs (and presumably the new sets) have which is a much classier version of the LED screens on UK stock. Information displayed is calling points, speed, service information, next station with ETA, Train and Coach number and current time.

FGW has a different audience though. It's also why I suggested adding in some sort of 'Free' food!

Something such as the ICEs on board screens would be just as welcome! I really like to see the information that is displayed on them such as the current speed etc.
 

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You could perhaps have screens (LCD or more likely LED) screens that show information like this - perhaps scrolling through various information.

I find that you might read the same stuff over and over, but it can certainly waste away time and it's easier than putting a screen on every seat.

Of course, if you can hook up your own device (and charge it at the same time) then a screen is a good idea.
 

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Maybe has something to do with the fact that British Airways ?used to/ still do own part of Eurostar?

Currently: LCR (40%), SNCB (5%) and SNCF (55%).
The government has stated that it intends to hold on to LCR's 40% stake in Eurostar International Limited for now, but may re-evaluate its ownership in the future.[14]
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_and_Continental_Railways

Eurostar UK Ltd was originally owned by: Inter-Capital and Regional Rail (ICRR), a consortium of National Express (40%), SNCF (35%), SNCB (15%) and British Airways (10%)
The original shareholders of LCR were Bechtel (19%), Warburg (19%), Virgin (18%), National Express (17.5%), SNCF (8.5%), London Electricity (8.5%), Arup (3.5%), Halcrow (3%) and Systra (3%).
 
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Maybe has something to do with the fact that British Airways ?used to/ still do own part of Eurostar?

I doubt BA would insist on that, after all most BA London to Paris Flights exist to connect with long haul flights from Heathrow
 

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And they don't half need it -they're looking pretty awful these days!
Most of the TGV's of a similar age, on the other hand, have had a nice refurb in the last few years.

That awful, tacky looking, ucomfortable refurb they inflicted on the TGVs?
God knowq, lets keep the original Eurostar interiors please. Very comfortable.
 

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Also why do passengers bags need to be scanned for Eurostar when bags in cars going through Le Shuttle don't need to be scanned, likewise passenger bags aren't scanned for journeys through tunnels in the alps.

Because one, or both, of two ooptions:

1) the Airline lobby demanded it otherwise they would be obliterated on a wide range of routes, especially as without security there would be no need to have infrastructure at every station served.

2) Britain is paranoid and thinks that someone can easily carry on sufficeint weapons or explosives to kill a larger nmber of people than could be killed in the booking queue.

The second one is so stupid that I think the first one is more likely.
 

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I for one wouldn't feel safe travelling on Eurostar without the stringent security checks
 

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There are power sockets in standard class already but only in certain carriages (5 and 14 if I remember rightly - the nearest carriage to the buffet in each half set). Half the seats have UK sockets and the other half have French-style ones so bring an adaptor.
 

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That awful, tacky looking, ucomfortable refurb they inflicted on the TGVs?
God knows, lets keep the original Eurostar interiors please. Very comfortable.

I agree and the worst thing about the TGV refurbishment is the reading light cluster between the seats; it is positioned so that you are guaranteed to bang your head on it more than once on each journey.
 

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I for one wouldn't feel safe travelling on Eurostar without the stringent security checks

Why not?

Smuggling explosives onto the train is not a reasonable way of causing major casualties.
There are far better mechanisms, such as observing what time trains pass certain points on HS1 and then ramming the line fence with a car bomb, dropping it either onto the track in front of the train but too close for it to stop, or just ramming into the side of it.

Assuming that this is like a plane is just a failure of imagination.
 

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Why not?

Smuggling explosives onto the train is not a reasonable way of causing major casualties.
There are far better mechanisms, such as observing what time trains pass certain points on HS1 and then ramming the line fence with a car bomb, dropping it either onto the track in front of the train but too close for it to stop, or just ramming into the side of it.

Assuming that this is like a plane is just a failure of imagination.

There is also the fact, that other trains use the tunnel to the car/lorry ports so could easily be planted there. When I went over on a coach, there were no checks going over there. Coming back, we had to be checked by the UKBA, but we still weren't scanned.
 

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I think you'll find there is at least some discrete visual external vehicle underside scanning going on...

Maybe so, but the vehicle equivalent of the Eurostar scanning would be to unload it and put not only every item on board but also the vehicle itself through an X-ray machine.
 

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I am not sure what the device you must drive over scans for (explosives?) but you can indeed find yourself pulled over for a random check - and they do Xray and do other scans on vehicles (including lorries) not just for things like explosives but also for stowaways.

I have no idea the percentage of vehicles that get stopped. In about 10 crossings or so, I've been stopped once - and most of the questioning seemed to be about if I had an LPG conversion (and then wanting to check). I hadn't and I was free to go with minimal delay.

Compared to flying hundreds of times where I've never been stopped once. I either have a very honest face, or actually look so dodgy that they assume I'm innocent as the guilty ones try and look honest!
 

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I am not sure what the device you must drive over scans for (explosives?) but you can indeed find yourself pulled over for a random check - and they do Xray and do other scans on vehicles (including lorries) not just for things like explosives but also for stowaways.

I have no idea the percentage of vehicles that get stopped. In about 10 crossings or so, I've been stopped once - and most of the questioning seemed to be about if I had an LPG conversion (and then wanting to check). I hadn't and I was free to go with minimal delay.

Compared to flying hundreds of times where I've never been stopped once. I either have a very honest face, or actually look so dodgy that they assume I'm innocent as the guilty ones try and look honest!

Thanks for the info, which suggests it's still not a level playing field.

Eurostar is treated like flying, with the single exception as far as I can see that the liquids restrictions do not apply. 100% of people go through a metal detector and 100% of bags are scanned, with a proportion of both undergoing a more detailed search.

Most Tunnel road vehicles, possibly 90%, only receive some sort of underside scan which is almost certainly less rigorous. Equivalent protection would require all occupants to leave the vehicle and pass through detector arches, while the vehicle itself was X-rayed (which would require a very large machine with a very powerful radiation source, which is perhaps why it is used sparingly at present). The stowaway checks are not surprisingly intended to detect people, and I believe they include infra-red cameras and probes to detect excess CO2 from people's breath.

It's possible that there is other technology we don't know about, which subjects vehicles to other checks such as "sniffing" for explosives, but if these can be applied to vehicles then why can't they be applied to people and bags on Eurostar in place of the present arrangements?
 
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Do/can the probes used to detect people breathing not also detect other things in the air?
 

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Sniffing for explosives is of questionable usefulness against well equipped threats anyway.

I believe the sniffers are probably more useful for drugs interdiction.
 

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A lot of the points raised are true (shabby interiors, poor food etc) but don't understand a lot - people complaining about not being seated together when you've got the option to select seats online?!

When I booked I wasn't allowed to select seats. I think it was because we got the train+hotel deal they have. I imagine a few others would also be doing the same!
 

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You can still get the seats re-allocated after booking, though I think you have to do that in person at St Pancras.
 

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I've noted lately that a lot of seats are coloured in a different colour when selecting online, saying that they may actually face the other way, depending on the train, which seems a bit weird.
 

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It's definitely weird because the way the seat numbering works they are supposed to be consistent; if the train is the other way round they just reverse the carriage numbering on the software don't they?

I have a couple of contacts inside ES; I'll ask about this.
 

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Maybe its because the train could be operated by a refurbished set. *hollow laugh*
 
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