greatkingrat
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Even if there are gates, they are often left open, particularly at evenings/weekends.
Even if there are gates, they are often left open, particularly at evenings/weekends.
Surbiton is, but only on the mainline.
And the New Guildford Line, surely. (By which I mean that the NGL diverts from the main line just after Surbiton at the same point as the Hampton Court branch but is outside the Oyster zones in the same way as the main line.)
And the New Guildford Line, surely. (By which I mean that the NGL diverts from the main line just after Surbiton at the same point as the Hampton Court branch but is outside the Oyster zones in the same way as the main line.)
there are quite few stations on the Hounslow loop without gates
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The video mentions using a mobile phone how does that work?
Simple solution. Add gates to the stations and police them for as long as the stations are open. If that's too expensive to it implement vers revenue protected then so be it. There will be a weakness in the defence, which some people might find away of exploiting but not enough to justify the loses.Even if there are gates, they are often left open, particularly at evenings/weekends.
Well played.
I don't use that branch.
In the evening, just after touching in at Surbiton, I checked my online account and it had immediately automatically completed the trip, assuming I was going back to Caterham. It showed:
Surbiton -> Caterham
1727 -> 1727
After touching out at Caterham, the 1727 -> 1727 did change to 1727 -> 1855, but not immediately like on the other touches during the day, but it was within an hour.
So it looks like it will automatically complete your trip on a simple return journey like mine above. This could be useful if you are splitting your journey between contactless and a paper ticket to take you outside of the contactless area. On your way home, you could check whether your journey has been completed automatically and if so, you need not get off to touch out at the station where you switch from contactless to paper.
That assumes that the 'estimated touch out' remains valid once you reach the end of the permitted journey time. Isn't there a chance that they'd invalidate that if they didn't see a real touch out? (I'm not sure why they would but I haven't seen this 'feature' officially documented anywhere so I'd like to see it tested before I decided to rely on it working that way)
So it's worth my while just leaving the Oyster at home? Sounds good to me.
It's noticeable that most of the signs on the tube lines demand a 'valid ticket' or 'validated Oyster card'. Methinks some new sign writing will be needed sooner or later (particularly if you can now put a Travelcard on Southern's ITSO card.)
Interesting because most signs I've seen all refer to "...a validated Smartcard..."
Interesting because most signs I've seen all refer to "...a validated Smartcard..."
Most of the ones I've seen have been like the lower sign in this image:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3016/2998941398_9d34923f15.jpg
Well you could bring it with you and hand it in for a refund of the deposit and/or any credit. You'll need some proof of address (for money laundering reasons).
It's not anything to do with money laundering. TfL and its subsidiaries are not subject to money laundering regulations.
I would be very surprised if they are not subject to money laundering regulations, given that nearly everybody else is.
You are very surprised then.I would be very surprised if they are not subject to money laundering regulations, given that nearly everybody else is.
LUL is not any of the above. It is not subject to the Money Laundering Regulations and any requirement it places on people to produce proof of ID is a matter of its own policy.Money Laundering Regulations 2007 said:3. (1) Subject to regulation 4, these Regulations apply to the following persons acting in the course of business carried on by them in the United Kingdom (“relevant persons”)
(a) credit institutions;
(b) financial institutions;
(c) auditors, insolvency practitioners, external accountants and tax advisers;
(d) independent legal professionals;
(e) trust or company service providers;
(f) estate agents;
(g) high value dealers;
(h) casinos.
They are unlikely to have documents such as bank statements to prove address however.It will become a lot harder to claim refunds of unused credit when ticket offices close, but I'm not sure why it's so difficult now. Most foreign visitors will have proof of their identity already with them, as they'd not be able to get into the UK without it.