Yes, the clue is in the name.
The group must travel together at all times.
The obvious solution is that from now on everyone buys a group ticket, and when checked you just say the person(s) next to you are part of the group!
Yes, the clue is in the name.
The group must travel together at all times.
I'm pretty sure it will be an all-day version, unless you want to use a railcard which would only then be valid in line with the railcard conditions. Can't be 100% certain at this stage. As far as Oyster goes it looks like off-peak caps will still exist but be priced the same for normal adults.Could someone please clarify for me:
If I were to buy a one day Travelcard from Ewell West after the changes next month, would it be a full day card only or will an off peak day card still be available from there?
Oyster will soon be available at Epsom - while Epsom is still outside the zones will the same new capping limits apply, meaning they've effectively put the fares from Epsom up by quite a considerable percentage?
I'm pretty sure it will be an all-day version, unless you want to use a railcard which would only then be valid in line with the railcard conditions. Can't be 100% certain at this stage. As far as Oyster goes it looks like off-peak caps will still exist but be priced the same for normal adults.
I'm not sure how Oyster will work at Epsom. However, zones 7-9 and all outside stations still have different off-peak caps so unless Epsom gets put in zone 6 I'd imagine it will stay the same.
The Zones 1-2 Anytime Day Travelcard will be withdrawn
The Zones 1-4 Anytime Day Travelcard will increase from £11.40 to £12 (adult) and from £5.70 to £6 (child)
The Zones 1-6 Anytime Day Travelcard (adult and child) will be frozen
Yes, the clue is in the name.
The group must travel together at all times.
The changes to reduce the peak Oyster cap do not apply to paper tickets.
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/campaign/new-fares-for-2015?intcmp=23318#on-this-page-5
A peak travelcard from Ewell West will cost £17. An off-peak travelcard will cost £12. For Oyster, the all day 1-6 cap will be £11.70 regardless of the time of travel.
All set out here http://www.tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms/documents/national-rail-railcard-fares.xlsx for railcard holders and here http://www.tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms/documents/national-rail-adult-fares.xlsx for non-railcard holders
TfL's attitude appears to be 'if you aren't using Oyster or contactless (no railcard discounts THERE I note) we want to stop you, or at least make life as difficult as possible.'
TfL's objective has long been to 'encourage' people to switch to Oyster!
TfL's objective has long been to 'encourage' people to switch to Oyster!
Is there an Oyster Travelcard ? or it's equivalent
A Network Railcard discounted travelcard at the weekend increases from £5.90 to £7.90. Admittedly a 33% increase is far from ideal but is a £2 increase really something worth seething about?
I'm seething about this. I invested £30 in a Network Card in September in the expectation that I would be able to use it to get 1/3 off the Z1-6 one-day card price at weekends (currently reducing a £8.90 card to £5.90). I've used it about five times this year to reduce the £8.90 1-day offpeak card down to £5.90 and was banking on using it for the remaining 9 months of its validity.
But with the changes, I would want to seriously rethink my travel habits as I really don't fancy paying £8 just for a Saturday out in London so I'd either cycle, take the car or just not go into London as much as before. But it means I'll probably never recoup my £30 investment in my Network Card.
I'm seething and I only paid £1 for my Network Railcard! And I'll have to pay £10 for it next year - that's a whopping 900% increase.
A Network Railcard discounted travelcard at the weekend increases from £5.90 to £7.90. Admittedly a 33% increase is far from ideal but is a £2 increase really something worth seething about?
Yes it is - I can't think of much else that has shot up by 25% lately. If the price of a cheap loaf in Tesco went up from 45p to 56p, you'd go to Aldi instead, wouldn't you?A Network Railcard discounted travelcard at the weekend increases from £5.90 to £7.90. Admittedly a 33% increase is far from ideal but is a £2 increase really something worth seething about?
Yes it is - I can't think of much else that has shot up by 25% lately. If the price of a cheap loaf in Tesco went up from 45p to 56p, you'd go to Aldi instead, wouldn't you?
Given that I've got good alternatives like cycling (free and not that much slower door to door than the train) or car (the cost in petrol is now quite a bit lower than the travelcard price) I certainly will vote with my feet...
£2 on how many occasions? Sounds like he will want to use it ~15 times in the coming 9 months if it has been used 5 in the previous 3. That's £30!
I'm in the same boat, but I have my railcard regardless of this. Although of course money can be saved by buying an Epsom Southern Only Travelcard...
If you can get to Central London and travel around all day for less than the cost of a Travelcard then good luck to you.
Did you include wear and tear in your car calculations?Exactly. I bought by Network Card on the expectation that I'd be getting £5.90 travelcards at the weekend for nine months in 2015 - but I really don't fancy paying £8 and will make other arrangements - which means writing off most of the investment in the Network Card.
Southern's bean-counters might also wish to note that I almost certainly won't be buying a Network Card next year either. For me, the travelcard discount was almost the only thing it was good for as I rarely make long off-peak journeys wholly within the south-east.
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Very easy. I can cycle (free). Or drive for about £4 in petrol, park the car for free (certainly possible on Sundays and in some places on Saturday afternoons) and walk, use my folding bike or use a Borisbike (£2) to anywhere else I need to get to.
Southern's bean-counters might also wish to note that I almost certainly won't be buying a Network Card next year either. For me, the travelcard discount was almost the only thing it was good for as I rarely make long off-peak journeys wholly within the south-east.
Did you include wear and tear in your car calculations?
Within London at least it can be quicker to walk. A friend works in Chancery Lane and claims it's just as quick to walk from Waterloo than use public transport. It would be even quicker if he cycled. Clearly public transport can't connect everywhere to everywhere hence the foot can be quicker.
Tonight the traffic in Kingston was bad so I decided to run for a train. I got to the station quicker than I did this morning in the opposite direction when I was using the bus and saved £1.45 whilst doing so! Not much of a saving but I resent being stuck in traffic on a bus when I could have walked and there isn't much TFL can do about the traffic.
Who does include wear and tear in their car running costs? To me, it's just a big sum of money that comes round every year at MOT/servicing time. And I suspect that, given the very low mileage we do at the moment, we'd end up paying the same even if we did do a few extra miles a week.