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John1975

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As my train was crawling along between Selhurst and Balham, I noticed the plate on one of the new signals stated TVC.

I know Victoria is to be abolished by 2018, but will the current panel 2B be migrating to TBROC fairly soon?
 
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Sometime over the few months I believe. The engineering block today is signalling related.
 

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I know Victoria is to be abolished by 2018, but will the current panel 2B be migrating to TBROC fairly soon?


The change in this area was from 15th March. West Hampstead panel 1 (south of Kentish Town Jct. to St. Pancras high level and Farringdon) and Victoria panel 6 (Farringdon to Loughborough Jct.) were recontrolled from Three Bridges. Signal prefixes changed from WH and VS to TWH and TVS.
 

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The change in this area was from 15th March. West Hampstead panel 1 (south of Kentish Town Jct. to St. Pancras high level and Farringdon) and Victoria panel 6 (Farringdon to Loughborough Jct.) were recontrolled from Three Bridges. Signal prefixes changed from WH and VS to TWH and TVS.


I thought the high level was still under WH
 

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I thought the high level was still under WH

St Pancras low level and high level platforms 1-4 controlled by Thameslink Core North workstation (TWH) at TBROC and St Pancras high level platforms 5-13 controlled Ashford IECC (AF) High Speed 1 workstation, (I'm not sure if it's one or two workstations for the high speed line).

Getting back to VASC Streaham area which includes parts of panels 2B and 3 will be migrating as Straetham workstation within the current control period is the best I've got out of the management so far.
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Speaking to some colleagues toady that will be affected by this and they said no consultation has yet been proposed for the move, but it could as early as autumn this year or as late spring next year. But if anyone knows for sure it's certainly not the signallers at the moment.
 

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St Pancras low level and high level platforms 1-4 controlled by Thameslink Core North workstation (TWH) at TBROC and St Pancras high level platforms 5-13 controlled Ashford IECC (AF) High Speed 1 workstation, (I'm not sure if it's one or two workstations for the high speed line).

Getting back to VASC Streaham area which includes parts of panels 2B and 3 will be migrating as Straetham workstation within the current control period is the best I've got out of the management so far.
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Speaking to some colleagues toady that will be affected by this and they said no consultation has yet been proposed for the move, but it could as early as autumn this year or as late spring next year. But if anyone knows for sure it's certainly not the signallers at the moment.

Some corrections, Farringdon to Kentish Town is controlled by Core Central, Core North panel isn't in use yet.

Basically the changes are

West Hampstead panel 1/WESTCAD is now Core Central

Victoria panel 6 is now Core South


West Hampstead panel two (Kentish Town to Elstree-ish, can't remember the handover point) will become Core North.

Canal tunnels until the junction with the ECML is controlled by Core Central.
 
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Some corrections, Farringdon to Kentish Town is controlled by Core Central, Core North panel isn't in use yet.

Basically the changes are

West Hampstead panel 1/WESTCAD is now Core Central

Victoria panel 6 is now Core South


West Hampstead panel two (Kentish Town to Elstree-ish, can't remember the handover point) will become Core North.

Canal tunnels until the junction with the ECML is controlled by Core Central.

Thank you for the corrections, I was working from information recieveved when the the TMS working group had our meeting in the ROC before any commissioning.
 

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Thank you for the corrections, I was working from information recieveved when the the TMS working group had our meeting in the ROC before any commissioning.

That's cool. I was curious where Core North was myself so I asked the Core Central/South signallers myself. Quite an impressive set up really.
 

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That's cool. I was curious where Core North was myself so I asked the Core Central/South signallers myself. Quite an impressive set up really.

I take it that it is the empty workstation in between what is now "The Core Central" workstation and London Bridge Central workstation country end? Which were told was going to be the St. Albans workstation.
 

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I take it that it is the empty workstation in between what is now "The Core Central" workstation and London Bridge Central workstation country end? Which were told was going to be the St. Albans workstation.

Yes I believe that is Core North panel. Although makes more sense the other way around as Core South and London Bridge will interlink.
 

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Yes I believe that is Core North panel. Although makes more sense the other way around as Core South and London Bridge will interlink.

I was told that they want Core south, Charing Cross & Cannon Street workstations close to each other as they will need to be able to talk to each other if and when (if ever) they use the slots to allow the classic and the ETCS signalling to use what I will term emergency links. (Although I was told they were still working on how they were actually going to do it).
 

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I was told that they want Core south, Charing Cross & Cannon Street workstations close to each other as they will need to be able to talk to each other if and when (if ever) they use the slots to allow the classic and the ETCS signalling to use what I will term emergency links. (Although I was told they were still working on how they were actually going to do it).

Ah that would make some sense actually. If they use those links you can kiss bye bye to Thameslink through service via London Bridge.
 

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Stupid question?! Do the signallers do all panels or not. I mean do VC and VS or just one
 

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Stupid question?! Do the signallers do all panels or not. I mean do VC and VS or just one

There is a Central VC link and a separate Eastern VS link with no crossover between the two rosters. But from when Victoria ASC opened and up to about 1994 the signallers used to work around all the panels, but this practiced ended beacuse of the special rulebook brought in for the running of the Eurostar service thus cutting down the staff that required training in it once the box was split into two links.
 

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Some corrections, Farringdon to Kentish Town is controlled by Core Central, Core North panel isn't in use yet.

Basically the changes are

West Hampstead panel 1/WESTCAD is now Core Central

Victoria panel 6 is now Core South


West Hampstead panel two (Kentish Town to Elstree-ish, can't remember the handover point) will become Core North.

Canal tunnels until the junction with the ECML is controlled by Core Central.
Panel 2 Kentish town- cricklewood depot area
Panel 3 cricklewood depot area - leagrave
Panel 4 leagrave - Sharnbrook junction / bedford St johns.
 

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There is a Central VC link and a separate Eastern VS link with no crossover between the two rosters. But from when Victoria ASC opened and up to about 1994 the signallers used to work around all the panels, but this practiced ended beacuse of the special rulebook brought in for the running of the Eurostar service thus cutting down the staff that required training in it once the box was split into two links.



Nice. Thanks
 

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I'm currently working on the training simulator part of the for the Victoria Phase 2, Stage 1 Streatham Workstation project (re-signalling/re-control to TBROC).

Dates on our contract are currently:

Simulator installed for use: 20/01/2016
Final Commissioning: 03/05/2016

So definitely not sooner than then.

Stage 2 will see the implementation of a second workstaion to be catchily named 'Sutton-Wimbledon-Mitcham'. Dates currently unknown, but later for sure.

Getting back to VASC Streaham area which includes parts of panels 2B and 3 will be migrating as Straetham workstation within the current control period is the best I've got out of the management so far.
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---
Speaking to some colleagues toady that will be affected by this and they said no consultation has yet been proposed for the move, but it could as early as autumn this year or as late spring next year. But if anyone knows for sure it's certainly not the signallers at the moment.
 

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I'm currently working on the training simulator part of the for the Victoria Phase 2, Stage 1 Streatham Workstation project (re-signalling/re-control to TBROC).

Dates on our contract are currently:

Simulator installed for use: 20/01/2016
Final Commissioning: 03/05/2016

So definitely not sooner than then.

Stage 2 will see the implementation of a second workstaion to be catchily named 'Sutton-Wimbledon-Mitcham'. Dates currently unknown, but later for sure.


Ok thanks for the heads up, will pass on to those that need to know.
 

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I'm currently working on the training simulator part of the for the Victoria Phase 2, Stage 1 Streatham Workstation project (re-signalling/re-control to TBROC).

Dates on our contract are currently:

Simulator installed for use: 20/01/2016
Final Commissioning: 03/05/2016

So definitely not sooner than then.

Stage 2 will see the implementation of a second workstaion to be catchily named 'Sutton-Wimbledon-Mitcham'. Dates currently unknown, but later for sure.

Out of interest, do you know what the boundaries of those workstations will be?
 

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I'm currently working on the training simulator part of the for the Victoria Phase 2, Stage 1 Streatham Workstation project (re-signalling/re-control to TBROC).



Dates on our contract are currently:



Simulator installed for use: 20/01/2016

Final Commissioning: 03/05/2016



So definitely not sooner than then.



Stage 2 will see the implementation of a second workstaion to be catchily named 'Sutton-Wimbledon-Mitcham'. Dates currently unknown, but later for sure.


Very interesting! As one who would be signing that workstation that's the biggest bit of info we have had in a while! (Not that anyone is really to blame for that)


I was told that they want Core south, Charing Cross & Cannon Street workstations close to each other as they will need to be able to talk to each other if and when (if ever) they use the slots to allow the classic and the ETCS signalling to use what I will term emergency links. (Although I was told they were still working on how they were actually going to do it).



Correct. Charing Cross will be going "next to" core south (well the next one in the pod) then Cannon Street next to it
 
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I'm currently working on the training simulator part of the for the Victoria Phase 2, Stage 1 Streatham Workstation project (re-signalling/re-control to TBROC).



Dates on our contract are currently:



Simulator installed for use: 20/01/2016

Final Commissioning: 03/05/2016



So definitely not sooner than then.



Stage 2 will see the implementation of a second workstaion to be catchily named 'Sutton-Wimbledon-Mitcham'. Dates currently unknown, but later for sure.



So the wimbo loop soon be in the ROC
 

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I'll get back to you on the boundaries... From memory (as i don't have it to hand) the two stage areas are split at Tulse Hill on the Portsmouth's and Norbury on the Brighton's.

These projects are a deviation from my normal role in Traffic Management...
Announcement on de-scoped TM will be made now in August. The scope is now TM interfaced Thameslink Core with ETCS/ATO, with optional components for TM interfaced for all London Bridge 'inner' & 'outer' workstations.

So Thameslink, and the Sussex Route getting what investment there is. All this is the position immediately prior to the election result I should add!
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Be interested to know/see the pod layout plan if possible?
 

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I'll get back to you on the boundaries... From memory (as i don't have it to hand) the two stage areas are split at Tulse Hill on the Portsmouth's and Norbury on the Brighton's.

These projects are a deviation from my normal role in Traffic Management...
Announcement on de-scoped TM will be made now in August. The scope is now TM interfaced Thameslink Core with ETCS/ATO, with optional components for TM interfaced for all London Bridge 'inner' & 'outer' workstations.

So Thameslink, and the Sussex Route getting what investment there is. All this is the position immediately prior to the election result I should add!
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---
Be interested to know/see the pod layout plan if possible?

i just got a job at London Victoria Signal box on the South Central side will they be moving to Three Bridges??
 

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i just got a job at London Victoria Signal box on the South Central side will they be moving to Three Bridges??

Almost certainly within a few years. The only real area of doubt is the intended timing, which changes month by month.

Three Bridges will be the sole ROC (Rail Operating Centre) for the entire 'Southern' network (including Thameslink through the core and as far as the MML and ECML interfaces).
 

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Almost certainly within a few years. The only real area of doubt is the intended timing, which changes month by month.

Three Bridges will be the sole ROC (Rail Operating Centre) for the entire 'Southern' network (including Thameslink through the core and as far as the MML and ECML interfaces).

ROC is to control far Bedford on the MML under latest plans. But changes so often but it already controls St Pancras high level.
 

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i just got a job at London Victoria Signal box on the South Central side will they be moving to Three Bridges??

Talk to your LOM, and if he/ she doesn't know ask them to go up the chain until they find someone who can give an idea.
 

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I'll get back to you on the boundaries... From memory (as i don't have it to hand) the two stage areas are split at Tulse Hill on the Portsmouth's and Norbury on the Brighton's.

I spoke to a good friend of mine who is one of the signallers at Victoria Central; he did his best to explain the situation. Currently:
  • Panel 2B controls from Wandsworth Common through Balham, Streatham Hill and the "main line" in the Streatham Common area, as far as the boundary with Three Bridges ASC at Norbury/Thornton Heath.
  • Panel 3 controls Tulse Hill, West Norwood, Crystal Palace, and the "Portsmouth" lines through Streatham, as far as the boundaries with Panel 4 at Tooting / Mitcham Eastfields.
The motivation for Streatham workstation going into Three Bridges ROC first is that the wiring in the relay room at Streatham is in a bad state (I believe the word he used was "shot"). However, Streatham relay room controls bits of Panels 2B *and* 3, so the new workstation will take over parts of 2B and 3, while leaving parts of them intact.

More precisely, the boundaries of Streatham workstation will be:
  • between Tooting and Haydons Road on the St Heliers (fringe to Panel 4);
  • between Streatham South Jn and Mitcham Eastfields on the Portsmouths (fringe to Panel 4);
  • between Tulse Hill South Jn and Streatham station on the Portsmouths (fringe to Panel 3);
  • between Balham Jn and Streatham North Jn on the Brightons (fringe to Panel 2B);
  • between Norbury and Thornton Heath on the Brightons (fringe to Three Bridges ASC).
In other words,
  • Streatham workstation will control all the junctions in the Streatham area, both on the Brighton main line and the Portsmouth lines;
  • Panel 2B will remain in control of Balham and Streatham Hill (but loses Streatham North Jn and Streatham Common);
  • Panel 3 remains in control of Tulse Hill, West Norwood and Crystal Palace (but loses Streatham station and Streatham South Jn).
This leads to the awkward situation that the total number of signallers will (briefly) increase, because both panels 2B and 3 will still be needed at Victoria - they're too far apart in the operating room to combine them easily. Some staff will be displaced from VC to TBROC but not enough to fully staff the workstation. This should all be sorted when everyone moves to TBROC.

The Sutton-Mitcham-Wimbledon workstation should be a straight replacement for Victoria Central Panel 4: it fringes to Panel 3 (soon to be Streatham workstation) at Tooting/Haydons Road and Mitcham Eastfields, to Wimbledon ASC at Ewell East and Wimbledon West Jn, and to Three Bridges ASC between West Croydon and Wallington.

I hope that all makes sense.
 
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