Overground/Crossrail takeover of Greater Anglia inners

[nesw]

Is this the same Ginger who used to post on here about how happy he was that Abellio were taking over from NX because all of the GE problems were solely down to them?

Yes, I believe it is and he's tweeted that AGA MD is meeting with him this week.

 

[dk1]

Yes, I believe it is and he's tweeted that AGA MD is meeting with him this week.

Must be a a VERY quiet week for Jamie

 

[SpacePhoenix]

Will these be the last routes that get taken over of could LO take over more routes from different TOCs at some point?

 

[EM2]

First experience of TfL Rail this morning.
The station is the same. The train was the same. Two staff on the platform, which is new. First train of the day three minutes late, which is not

 

[AM9]

First experience of TfL Rail this morning.
The station is the same. The train was the same. Two staff on the platform, which is new. First train of the day three minutes late, which is not

Well of course that means its a complete failure if it's already eight o'clock on day one and they've not fixed everything.
Maybe TfL should take over NR's role on the GEML.

 

[LeeLivery]

Will these be the last routes that get taken over of could LO take over more routes from different TOCs at some point?

They have now once again turned their attention to Southeastern suburbans as the franchise ends in 2018. I don't have doubts that it will happen, but that will be the most difficult operation for them yet.

 

[EM2]

Well of course that means its a complete failure if it's already eight o'clock on day one and they've not fixed everything.
Maybe TfL should take over NR's role on the GEML.

As I said earlier in the thread, I expect very little actual change until the dedicated Crossrail stock comes in.
.

 

[jopsuk]

And I'd guess the same for the Enfield/Chingford line.

Future Overground? SE Metro (which SE do handily define as a separate service group already) is a stated target. Moorgate (Kings Cross) to Welwyn/Hertford North/Stevenage (Great Northern metro) would seem a reasonably neat package ripe for takeover. Crossrail 2 will take most of the South West Main Line metro and the remaining West Anglia metro. Thameslink is taking some of the Southern metro- it would make no sense to separate Thameslink on the MML side. Likewise, it would be daft to split up C2C or Chiltern. There's a few Southern metro routes not accounted for by Thameslink would make for Overground targets. If that was all "orange", then a takeover of the remaining SWML and Windsor side metro operations from the SWT franchise would seem logical.

Going to have sort that "all orange" map issue though. If the SE, SC and SW metros were all mainly Overground, south London would basically be a massive block of orange.

 

[swt_passenger]

Will these be the last routes that get taken over of could LO take over more routes from different TOCs at some point?

In addition to above replies, there was a map published in 2011 of what they hoped to take responsibility for, London Connections' current article on the transfer includes it here: http://cdn.londonreconnections.com/2013/possibletakeovers.jpg

One significant difference on that map is that it predates the decision to keep the Wimbledon Sutton loop as a T/L core service - it would obviously have been a TfL grab if running into the bays at Blackfriars.

 

[AM9]

In addition to above replies, there was a map published in 2011 of what they hoped to take responsibility for, London Connections' current article on the transfer includes it here: http://cdn.londonreconnections.com/2013/possibletakeovers.jpg

One significant difference on that map is that it predates the decision to keep the Wimbledon Sutton loop as a T/L core service - it would obviously have been a TfL grab if running into the bays at Blackfriars.

If the outer TL/GN routes prove successful and both additional stock and paths for them become necessary, could we see the Sutton loop transferred either to LO or even just Southern services in a few years? Those trains use four paths per hour through the core. Releasing them by terminating in the BFR bays would be useful especially in the peak. Any DC only stock could then run the loop, 378s for LO or 455s for Southern.

 

[Gribley]

My short route from Chingford to Walthamstow Central arrived on time.

The only thing I really noticed was it looks like the entire platform/ticket office staff at Chingford have been replaced.

To be fair to GA the staff at Chingford were always polite and I wish them the best.

 

[swt_passenger]

If the outer TL/GN routes prove successful and both additional stock and paths for them become necessary, could we see the Sutton loop transferred either to LO or even just Southern services in a few years? Those trains use four paths per hour through the core. Releasing them by terminating in the BFR bays would be useful especially in the peak. Any DC only stock could then run the loop, 378s for LO or 455s for Southern.

Then you're getting into purely political territory. As discussed many times, retaining the Wimbledon loop on Thameslink was a sop to the people who shouted loudest, it is nothing to do with best use of the overall core capacity. So how firm was that promise?

 

[Class377/5]

If the outer TL/GN routes prove successful and both additional stock and paths for them become necessary, could we see the Sutton loop transferred either to LO or even just Southern services in a few years? Those trains use four paths per hour through the core. Releasing them by terminating in the BFR bays would be useful especially in the peak. Any DC only stock could then run the loop, 378s for LO or 455s for Southern.

20x 319s were to run the Blackfriars to London Bridge via Wimbledon service.

 

[hassaanhc]

First experience of TfL Rail this morning.
The station is the same. The train was the same. Two staff on the platform, which is new. First train of the day three minutes late, which is not

Had a brief look inside the station building at Manor Park yesterday (never used that station, but ended up here on a bus). No physical changes there either, signage is the same, TVM had same red interface but with TfL logo, and a typed up notice in the ticket office window saying there is a new system so to be patient if things take longer.

 

[Be3G]

My short route from Chingford to Walthamstow Central arrived on time.

The only thing I really noticed was it looks like the entire platform/ticket office staff at Chingford have been replaced.

To be fair to GA the staff at Chingford were always polite and I wish them the best.

Oh, I hope that hasn't happened at all stations. The guy who normally ran Turkey Street ticket office on weekdays was always a pleasure to deal with; he's been serving me tickets on and off since I travelled to school by train ten years ago.

(On the other hand, the other members of staff who helped out at Turkey Street station always seemed to have a woefully inadequate level of ticketing knowledge so I won't miss them one bit.)

 

[AM9]

Then you're getting into purely political territory. As discussed many times, retaining the Wimbledon loop on Thameslink was a sop to the people who shouted loudest, it is nothing to do with best use of the overall core capacity. So how firm was that promise?

As long as an MP or Government thinks it will keep/get them into power. Of course, t'he needs of the many may one day be greater than the needs of the few' so the importance of not wasting paths may one day take precedence.

 

[450.emu]

Oh, I hope that hasn't happened at all stations. The guy who normally ran Turkey Street ticket office on weekdays was always a pleasure to deal with; he's been serving me tickets on and off since I travelled to school by train ten years ago.

(On the other hand, the other members of staff who helped out at Turkey Street station always seemed to have a woefully inadequate level of ticketing knowledge so I won't miss them one bit.)

Some of those staff were a bit lackadaisical but the majority at Turkey Street were very nice to deal with

 

[LMD]

Saw a 315 today half LO Livery , Half white , looks like there getting on with the transformation quite quickly! Also theobalds grove now has the correct signage

 

[ainsworth74]

They actually started a month or so ago as there have been a few 315s running around in un-branded LO livery. They look very sharp I think.

 

[Dstock7080]

They actually started a month or so ago as there have been a few 315s running around in un-branded LO livery. They look very sharp I think.

Only one LO liveried 315 was out yesterday 315 817, others remain in the former white with red doors.
TfL Rail had a few 315s in white/blue running yesterday, some with TFL RAIL roundels applied.

 

[SprinterMan]

Does anyone know what the LO 317s are doing at the moment? I was at Liverpool Street on sunday hunting for them and there were only 315s about Any pictures of them?

Adam

 

[306024]

2x317s in LO livery were at Ilford Car Sheds this morning, forgot to look to see if they were still there this evening, but unless Control did a changeover they would have been.

On paper there are sufficient 315s to cover all the diagrams at weekends, so a 317 working is less likely, unless Spurs are at home.

 

[Mojo]

Ex Stansted Express 317714 was on the Emerson Park line on Monday.

 

[LeeLivery]

Believe it or not, there are already several tweets saying "Bring back AGA". LO has had yet another terrible day on the Lea Valleys and the lack of information from them is stunning.

I went up to Chingford today and the only new things I could see was the covering of the name signs on the platforms and quite a bit of cleaners jumping on and off trains. Nothing else.

 

[TheEdge]

Believe it or not, there are already several tweets saying "Bring back AGA". LO has had yet another terrible day on the Lea Valleys and the lack of information from them is stunning.

Its like goldfish...

 

[306024]

.......LO has had yet another terrible day on the Lea Valleys.........

Looking at RTT for Edmonton Green doesn't show a "terrible" day in terms of train running, although it could have been better without the odd train failure. Meanwhile a plastic sheet on the overheads at Angel Road and a tree at Whittlesford caused severe disruption to AGA, with a knock on effect to LO services. It is AGA that operate on the Lea Valley with a few peak Hertford services running via Southbury, LO only operate on the Southbury Loop, not down the Lea Valley.

Ex Stansted Express 317714 was on the Emerson Park line on Monday.

Complete with luxury arm chairs in the former first class area? The locals are being spoilt

 

[swtandgw]

Believe it or not, there are already several tweets saying "Bring back AGA". LO has had yet another terrible day on the Lea Valleys and the lack of information from them is stunning.

Stockholm Syndrome much?

After all, it is early days for the Overground on the Lea Valleys.

 

[prod_pep]

Some of the confusion over which is and which isn't the Lea Valley line might come from Wikipedia, which has 'Lea Valley Lines' article claiming the term is used for the Chingford, Seven Sisters and Southbury Loop lines as well as the actual Lea Valley line through Tottenham Hale.

From posts elsewhere, I understand the intention was to have full 315 operation during weekends and for most of the weekday off-peak with 317s restricted mainly to peak workings and the Upminster line. Not sure if that has been the case in practice though!

 

[306024]

Some of the confusion over which is and which isn't the Lea Valley line might come from Wikipedia, which has 'Lea Valley Lines' article claiming the term is used for the Chingford, Seven Sisters and Southbury Loop lines as well as the actual Lea Valley line through Tottenham Hale.

Ah thanks for explaining, professional railway folk only refer to the Lea Valley as via Brimsdown, certainly not via Southbury.

From posts elsewhere, I understand the intention was to have full 315 operation during weekends and for most of the weekday off-peak with 317s restricted mainly to peak workings and the Upminster line. Not sure if that has been the case in practice though!

You understand correctly. 315s are slightly more suited to the work so 317 use is more restricted.

 

[jopsuk]

Whittlesea

Whittlesford! A tree on the line at Whittlesea would cause only minimal disruption to AGA, as they only run a train every two hours through there and there's no OHL that could be damaged