Can we have these people found and shot please. I've worked pway for 8 years and put 6 bodies into bin bags and find the stupidity of some people entirely selfish. I take a guess they are the same sort of people who complain about big fences next to lines, when this is the reason those fences exist.
I've seen first hand the affect that even seeing a member of the dumb dumb squad standing line side or playing chicken at a crossing can have on a driver (unfortunate can ride near miss) it can really affect some of them and to risk potentially affecting someone career and livelihood for the sake of a picture deserves the harshest of punishments. I know that may seem a tad strong but it's one of my pet peeves and that's without starting on the damaging affect it has on the reputation of rail tours within the industry.
Can we have these people found and shot please.
Yes really reasonable response, NOT! Over the top reaction as usual to this sort of thing.
Only in the UK do we get so hot under the collar about this.
Yes it's illegal, yes they shouldn't be doing it but yes people do silly things.
There is fencing, mostly hidden in the plant growth about halfway between the embankment and the driveway up to the station. It is quite likely they simply walked off the north end of the up platform - I can't see anything in the pictures I took last September when visiting the station to stop people doing that - and it's an area of the station which would not be easily visible from anyone in the station building where the visitor centre is.This is evidently an inexcusable and dangerous incident. However, I cannot see much in the way of fencing in the image. Is this hidden from view, or is it very limited in reality?..........
I understand there's a single line over Ribblehead viaduct so whilst the photographers were trespassing (and due to archaic railway law that's only a criminal offence on the railway, not on any other private land) they were in no danger whatsoever of being run over by another train. Perspective and chill pills required here.
There is fencing, mostly hidden in the plant growth about halfway between the embankment and the driveway up to the station.
Yes really reasonable response, NOT! Over the top reaction as usual to this sort of thing.
Only in the UK do we get so hot under the collar about this.
Yes it's illegal, yes they shouldn't be doing it but yes people do silly things.
Surely we all want a railway that is as safe as possible, no?
47802, you make it sound as if trespassing is not something that we should be concerned about. Surely we all want a railway that is as safe as possible, no?
And are you completely dismissing the possibility of a line block having been taken on the line on which they were standing for the purpose of using a road-rail vehicle, or perhaps the possibility of a train having just come off the single line in front of the tour approaching it from the other direction (not sure on the signalling system layout there, but elsewhere it'd be a possibility), or the hazard of tripping over sleepers on the way back to safety and lying over the rails until the next train comes across them, or accidentally encouraging children who then start to play on the viaduct until they get squashed, or... well, you get the picture, I hope. The risks are huge.
I'm not saying people should Trespass but its not exactly uncommon on the S&C especially when a Steam Loco is about, although perhaps less than a few years ago, and only in this country do we have the Trespass obsession, and yes I know its related to our Laws on the matter, where as in many other countries there are large section of Track with no fences and nothing to stop people wandering across or down the track.
You are all forgetting the most important thing?
The photos they took would have been sh+t anyway, head on is rubbish!
I understand there's a single line over Ribblehead viaduct so whilst the photographers were trespassing (and due to archaic railway law that's only a criminal offence on the railway, not on any other private land) they were in no danger whatsoever of being run over by another train. Perspective and chill pills required here.
Pretty much this. Rules are rules and law are law. Disagreeing with them is no defence towards breaking them, nor is "getting a good picture". That said, I am surprised Ribblehead and other S&C stations don't have wooden gates at the platform ends to try and stop the feral enthusiast from reaching their picture hunting grounds.The attitude of some forum members towards trespass on the rail network is very disappointing. Whether or not they would have been in any immediate danger is completely irrelevant; they themselves would have known that they were breaking the law by standing on the track so why do it? Enthusiasts who are members of this forum often take great delight in hapless members of the public who struggle to understand our rail network and yet leap to the defence of those who trespass. Well who's more stupid??
The attitude of some forum members towards trespass on the rail network is very disappointing. Whether or not they would have been in any immediate danger is completely irrelevant; they themselves would have known that they were breaking the law by standing on the track so why do it? Enthusiasts who are members of this forum often take great delight in hapless members of the public who struggle to understand our rail network and yet leap to the defence of those who trespass. Well who's more stupid??
Can we have these people found and shot please. I've worked pway for 8 years and put 6 bodies into bin bags and find the stupidity of some people entirely selfish. I take a guess they are the same sort of people who complain about big fences next to lines, when this is the reason those fences exist.
I've seen first hand the affect that even seeing a member of the dumb dumb squad standing line side or playing chicken at a crossing can have on a driver (unfortunate can ride near miss) it can really affect some of them and to risk potentially affecting someone career and livelihood for the sake of a picture deserves the harshest of punishments. I know that may seem a tad strong but it's one of my pet peeves and that's without starting on the damaging affect it has on the reputation of rail tours within the industry.
And in those other Countries there isn't some Ambulance chasing solicitor suing the train operator/network rail/anyone else they can think of when the trespassing muppet gets wiped out by a train! :roll:
The attitude of some forum members towards trespass on the rail network is very disappointing.
There were times in years gone by where I may have taken photo's and yes technically I would have been trespassing although I would never stand anywhere near the track like those in the photo. Would I do it today No, because of the hanging offence mentality you get these days from the authorities and some people on this forum, also possibly being regarded as a terrorist threat, I was once regarded as a terrorist threat for simply taking photo's from a public road bridge although not on the S&C I would add, and it also being used as a potential reason to stop running both steam and diesel enthusiast charters.
Am I condoning those in the photo no i'm not, but simply pointing out its not exactly unusual on the S&C although standing where they did is a little extreme regardless of whether it was effectively safe or not.
...so to Tom Quayle's knockers I say "calm down yourselves".
And that is part of the problem with 'safety' in this country.
I agree, terrible that some members think it's OK to say that trespassers should be shot!
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Agreed.