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East Coast Diversions North of Newcastle 2015 (edit: via Carlisle)

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I can't see anything happen from now till November, what part of the line diversion??
 

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Assuming it's the diversions between Newcastle and Edinburgh where the trains are diverted along the Tyne Valley Line, from a post made on another forum;

Saturday 14th November
Saturday 21st November
Saturday 28th November
Saturday 5th December

Again, not sure I understand the question but I assume it's where Virgin East Coast services divert along the Tyne Valley line.
 

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Can confirm the dates above are correct for Tyne Valley diversions this year.
 

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My apologies, yes, I meant the diversions between Newcastle and Edinburgh with trains going via the Tyne Valley.
Sorry for any confusion.
In my experience, they've always been just HST's Ainsworth
 

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That was in East Coast days though I wouldn't put money on it now with VTEC
The fact that they are the only three GR services of the day with a timing load for an electric locomotive, combined with the long stops at both Carlisle and Newcastle strongly hints that they are, in fact, drags.
 

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The fact that they are the only three GR services of the day with a timing load for an electric locomotive, combined with the long stops at both Carlisle and Newcastle strongly hints that they are, in fact, drags.

OK sorry I misread your post I thought that was just the actual number of diverted services, although I am somewhat shocked to find that VTEC can actually be arsed to do any diversions let alone drags still I guess it helps justify those future bi-mode IEP's:D
 

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Does anyone have an indication on the passenger numbers on previous via Carlisle ECML diversions?

I presume that they would be quieter to Newcastle, then more or less empty across the Tyne Valley, and then a bit busier from Carlisle northwards, taking uo some of VT's and TPE's passengers?
Presumably any London - Edinburgh passengers would use the WCML?
 

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Does anyone have an indication on the passenger numbers on previous via Carlisle ECML diversions?

In my experience they're usually reasonably well loaded and I don't think the diversion actually makes that much impact on loadings.
 

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Assuming it's the diversions between Newcastle and Edinburgh where the trains are diverted along the Tyne Valley Line, from a post made on another forum;

Saturday 14th November
Saturday 21st November
Saturday 28th November
Saturday 5th December

Again, not sure I understand the question but I assume it's where Virgin East Coast services divert along the Tyne Valley line.

Thanks for posting my info here, Marcus. ;)
 

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The through trains to/from London are always wedged, the trains that start/end with a change at Newcastle tend to be a bit quieter. If you're intending to travel I'd strongly recommend you get a reservation.
 

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How come they seem to reverse at Newcastle. It would appear quicker to send them "round the loop" so to speak.

What are the diversions for by the way?
 

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Some really poor paths though. 30 minute waits at Newcastle in some cases.

attaching/detaching locomotives i assume plus to allow run round the loop if needed

How come they seem to reverse at Newcastle. It would appear quicker to send them "round the loop" so to speak.

What are the diversions for by the way?

Surely they will go round the loop or they will be in the wrong formation
 

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Surely they will go round the loop or they will be in the wrong formation

If they go round the loop at Newcastle they will be the wrong way around!

As they leave Edinburgh facing North and travel around a big loop via Carlisle they arrive at Newcastle facing North again - so no need to turn it.
 

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If they go round the loop at Newcastle they will be the wrong way around!

As they leave Edinburgh facing North and travel around a big loop via Carlisle they arrive at Newcastle facing North again - so no need to turn it.

but if they come from Glasgow second class is closest to the concourse at Glasgow Central - does that not mean second class will be facing London, with the locomotive, on leaving Newcastle

EDIT - I was looking at the Glasgow service as that is the one i would be most likely to use.
 
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attaching/detaching locomotives i assume plus to allow run round the loop if needed

A number of HSTs also have long waits such as this one.

Usual RTT disclaimer of timing not equalling booked applies of course but for VTEC it's usually accurate.
 

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but if they come from Glasgow second class is closest to the councourse at Glasgow Central - does that not mean second class will be facing London, with the locomotive, on leaving Newcastle

EDIT - I was looking at the Glasgow service as that is the one i would be most likely to use.

It drivers with first class first into Edinburgh, reverses and then with 1st class trailing into carlisle/newcastle. reverses there, and 1st class is at the front for London.

No services are in the system as using the high level bridge at the moment. Only might happen in case a set happens to be in the wrong direction at some point, and this means they can get a quick turnaround of the set.
 

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It drivers with first class first into Edinburgh, reverses and then with 1st class trailing into Carlisle/newcastle. reverses there, and 1st class is at the front for London.

EDIT sorry misread your post. It arrives at Edinburgh with FACING the London end of the platfrom then pulls out towards Haymarket with FC at the rear of the train

It is the Glasgow train i am interested in anyway!
 
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EDIT sorry misread your post. It arrives at Edinburgh with FACING the London end of the platfrom then pulls out towards Haymarket with FC at the rear of the train

It is the Glasgow train i am interested in anyway!

With a double reversal as planned (Edinburgh & Newcastle) you'll just end up with the same orientation as if it weren't diverted. ;)
 

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In my experience they're usually reasonably well loaded and I don't think the diversion actually makes that much impact on loadings.

Which give more evidence to the claim that passengers would rather have a longer journey on the same train than a shorter one that involves a rail replacement bus!
 
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