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GM228

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I was under the impression that it was obligatory for all EU railways to display EVN numbers as part of the NVR and was curious as to why no UK stock (bar some ECR 66s?) seem to carry them?
 
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I have no idea what an EVN or NVR is!

However if there if the EU has passed some sort of policy to display EVN numbers (whatever they are), the obligation of people/companies to adhere to such policy depends on whether said EU policy / requirement was a 'regulation', 'directive' or 'opinion': a subtle but very important difference! Only regulations are directly enforceable.

If you knew what regulation/direction/opinion this requirement appears in, then I would be able to elaborate further.
 

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Please could we define some terms. We do allow the use of industry 'slang' in our forum rules but these terms would appear to be very technical and in need of definition!
 

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Please could we define some terms. We do allow the use of industry 'slang' in our forum rules but these terms would appear to be very technical and in need of definition!

My apologies.

Regulation = legislative act by the EU which is directly enforceable. If the requirement to display EVN numbers forms part of a regulation then it must be complied with.

Directive = decision by the EU which requires transposition into national law. This allows member states to tailor it to their own specific circumstances. If the requirement for EVN numbers to be displayed is a directive then it first needs to be incorporated in the UK law. It might (or might not) be the case that the UK's interpretation of the EU requirement actually does not stipulate that EVN numbers are required.

Opinion = a non-binding requirement. If the EU requirement to display EVN number is an opinion then there is no actual requirement to display them.

More information can be found here: http://europa.eu/eu-law/decision-making/legal-acts/index_en.htm
 

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It appears that the UK implementation of this directive (which appears to be in GM/RT2453 - PDF) permits any stock which is not intended for use in international service to only display the TOPS number.

Relevant clauses are A.1.2 for locos and A.2.4 for multiple-unit vehicles. Section A.3 (for fixed-formation/MU set identifiers) makes no reference to EVNs at all!

EVN = "European Vehicle Number".
NVR = "National Vehicle Register".
 

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I didn't actually mean you and was talking more about what an EVN or NVR is! Interesting post though in any case ;)

My apologies, they arn't slang or short hand etc, but the official titles AFAIK!

EVN - European Vehicle Numbering
NVR - National Vehicle Registry
 

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We had a thread about this earlier in the month. I posted this extract from the group standard:

4.2 GB registered rail vehicles not intended to be used in international traffic
4.2.1 Display of rail vehicle identification number
4.2.1.1 Except for locomotives and passenger rail vehicles, the CR OPE TSI Annex P sets out the requirement for the full EVN to be displayed on rail vehicles. It is permissible to display a shortened form of the EVN on locomotive and passenger rail vehicles that are not intended to be used in international traffic.

A 2.4 It is permissible for the individual rail vehicles in multiple units and fixed formations that are not intended to be used in international traffic to display the GB equivalent number range excluding the leading zeros (three – six digits).
etc etc...
http://www.rssb.co.uk/rgs/standards/GMRT2453 Iss 2.pdf

See this thread also: http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=119259
 
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Thanks for the replies, so having read through that it would seem that all stock must be assigned EVNs and be on the NVR but only cross-border stock has to display the numbers.

My question is if that is the case then why don't 92s, Eurostars, LeShuttles etc display the EVNs?
 

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92s don't venture further than France, and there, they refer to it as Class BB92000, as it used to operate a few. Le Shuttle locos can likewise only be found in and around the Channel Tunnel, while the new Class 374 Velaros have EVNs.
 

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Eurostar do, don't they, above the solebar? I might be imagining it... Nothing else is international in the railway sense as they don't get beyond the border point (Calais) much like Bulgarian passenger locos don't display the full UIC job despite geographically working into Romania, Serbia and Turkey - its only international beyond the 'exchange point' as far as the various railway outfits are concerned.
 

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I was under the impression that it was obligatory for all EU railways to display EVN numbers as part of the NVR and was curious as to why no UK stock (bar some ECR 66s?) seem to carry them?

What about the cross-border trains between Eire and the UK?
 

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What about the cross-border trains between Eire and the UK?

All trains for Irish Rail are slowly receiving EVNs aswell as the Cross-Border Enterprise stock. Even Irish Rail stock which dosn't and can't operate cross-border is getting them. According to the Railway Safety Commission's (Irelands equivalent of the RSSB) EVN documents they state that EVNs are obligatory in all EU member states as determined by the EU bodies which is the case.

The relevant European bodies have made the adoption of the European Vehicle Number (EVN) system (which is a development of the previous UIC numbering system) obligatory for all Railway Vehicles which are registered for operation in any member state of the EU.
 
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Is it basically a European version of TOPS?

Apart from class 373s, 374s, "le shuttle locos" (can't remember what their class number is) and 92s I can't think of any other class that currently venture through the channel tunnel or will do
 

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Is it basically a European version of TOPS?

Apart from class 373s, 374s, "le shuttle locos" (can't remember what their class number is) and 92s I can't think of any other class that currently venture through the channel tunnel or will do

How about 319008 and 319009?
 

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Is it basically a European version of TOPS?

Apart from class 373s, 374s, "le shuttle locos" (can't remember what their class number is) and 92s I can't think of any other class that currently venture through the channel tunnel or will do


Class 21/9s?
 

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A purely hypothetical question, but I was wondering had the Scottish Referendum passed would EVNs have been required then on trains operating over the borders?
 

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How about 319008 and 319009?

In all likelihood the directive probably didn't exist then.
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A purely hypothetical question, but I was wondering had the Scottish Referendum passed would EVNs have been required then on trains operating over the borders?
That would depend on how the Scottish and (not so) United Kingdom governments chose to translate the directive into their respective national legislative frameworks.
 

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In all likelihood the directive probably didn't exist then.

The current directive wasn't but the older UIC (Union internationale des chemins de fer or International Union of Railways) numbers were (EVNs replaced the UICs), I believe the Nightstar stock had UICs initially?
 
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Do Irish/Northern Irish vehicles on corss border services carry full EVN? Or is there a "don't bother" agreement in place?
 
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