ATW LHCS on 31 August

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I've established from RTT that the Manchester set is running its booked workings on Bank Holiday Monday west of Warrington BQ.

It's perhaps a bit early to ask, but has anyone any insight as to whether Gerald might be in use for relief services, and if so which? There was a reference to Saturday workings in a previous thread.

Thanks in advance.

 

[PHILIPE]

It's perhaps a bit early to ask, but has anyone any insight as to whether Gerald might be in use for relief services, and if so which? There was a reference to Saturday workings in a previous thread.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE

Not shown on anything. Doesn't usually work Bank Holidays.

 

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Ok thanks.

 

[PHILIPE]

I've established from RTT that the Manchester set is running its booked workings on Bank Holiday Monday west of Warrington BQ.

It's perhaps a bit early to ask, but has anyone any insight as to whether Gerald might be in use for relief services, and if so which? There was a reference to Saturday workings in a previous thread.

Thanks in advance.

Who said that the Manchester Loco Hauled set was working today, 31/08. RTT didn't say it was. RTT said what the trains were timed as and not what they were diagrammed as. The normal schedules would have been used amended as required.

 

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Yes you're quite right. Shouldn't have made such an obvious mistake and hope I didn't mislead anyone.

Did a different trip myself anyway.

 

[PHILIPE]

Yes you're quite right. Shouldn't have made such an obvious mistake and hope I didn't mislead anyone.

Did a different trip myself anyway.

Still don't know if it was out or not, though, but an amended diagram of course.

 

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It wasn't on the evening turn which I saw at Colwyn Bay. 3 car 175.

Couldn't have been an amended diagram, though, as none of the unit workings were retimed.
You can run a unit in LH timings, but not the reverse!

 

[PHILIPE]

It wasn't on the evening turn which I saw at Colwyn Bay. 3 car 175.

Couldn't have been an amended diagram, though, as none of the unit workings were retimed.
You can run a unit in LH timings, but not the reverse!

Why not amended working. All the diagrams on the route would have been changed, they would have worked an earlier train back from Warrington Bank Quay.

 

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Sorry, what I meant to say in fuller detail was:

The LHCS runs to slower timings (longer stops because of the doors IIRC), so if it had diagrammed to work different trains on Monday, that would have shown up in the schedules.

On a quick recheck, none of the schedules were altered West of Warrington on that day.
So if it HAD been planned to run, it would have run to its normal diagram.
That was what I'd wrongly assumed and you rightly corrected - it would have been inefficient.

(The other possibility is that it could have been put into one of the amended diagrams to cover a failure, in which case one could track the resulting late running, I suppose...)

 

[PHILIPE]

Sorry, what I meant to say in fuller detail was:

The LHCS runs to slower timings (longer stops because of the doors IIRC), so if it had diagrammed to work different trains on Monday, that would have shown up in the schedules.

On a quick recheck, none of the schedules were altered West of Warrington on that day.
So if it HAD been planned to run, it would have run to its normal diagram.
That was what I'd wrongly assumed and you rightly corrected - it would have been inefficient.

(The other possibility is that it could have been put into one of the amended diagrams to cover a failure, in which case one could track the resulting late running, I suppose...)

By turning back at Warrington, the service would have been operated by less units. The LHCS wouldn't have been able to come out to replace a failure because the stock would have been at Crewe and also the difficulty of providing crew with suitable knowledge at short notice. It can only be worked by Holyhead Drivers between Manchester and North Wales. It couldn't have worked to it's normal diagram otherwise it would have cluttered Warrington bank Quay up waiting for it's own train. I'd forget about it.

 

[30907]

By turning back at Warrington, the service would have been operated by less units. The LHCS wouldn't have been able to come out to replace a failure because the stock would have been at Crewe and also the difficulty of providing crew with suitable knowledge at short notice. It can only be worked by Holyhead Drivers between Manchester and North Wales. It couldn't have worked to it's normal diagram otherwise it would have cluttered Warrington bank Quay up waiting for it's own train. I'd forget about it.

Yes I realise. Think we're at cross purposes, but thanks for additional info.