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Is a duck allowed in standard class?

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My neighbours duck has outgrown her back garden, a friend who said he would keep it in a huge garden in weighbridge Would have taken it if he could get a friend to pick him up. He couldn't.

He caught the 1628 from Stoke to Euston, could he have taken the duck on the train?
 
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I believe the answer is going to be yes but a pet carrier would be required. Condition 47 of the NRCoC tells us that:

Some domestic animals are permitted to travel with you (as set out in Appendix B). Animals are not allowed on seats in any circumstances.

If move onto Appendix B we discover:

Animals other than a dog must be conveyed in a fully enclosed basket or pet carrier designed for this purpose with dimensions not exceeding 85 x 60 x 60 cm. Baskets and pet carriers must be large enough to allow the animal to stand and lie down in comfort. Animals which are too large for a basket or pet carrier with dimensions 85 x 60 x 60 cm may not be conveyed by train

So as long as they have a pet carrier which fits the above dimensions and allows the duck to stand and lie down in comfort then I believe they'd be allowed to travel. If they do not have a pet carrier then they could be denied travel.
 

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Someone famously tried to take a horse on a train in North Wales a few years ago, but both the horse and his companion were refused travel by the guard I believe. The pet carrier rule seems slightly odd, as a friend of mine has a large Maine-coon cat that goes for walks with a lead and harness and behaves perfectly fine. I can't imagine he (the cat) would cause any trouble on a train journey but getting him into a cat carrier is quite a mission in itself!
 

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So noisy or not doesn't matter?

The conditions do not make reference one way or another to noise so from an NRCoC perspective I do not think it matters.

However I would point out the Railway Byelaws and specifically Byelaw 6(8) contain the following provision:

No person shall molest or wilfully interfere with the comfort or convenience of any person on the railway.

Bringing a duck onto a train when you know the duck is going to be noisy could potentially be considered contravening the above Byelaw.

Question:- Has a duck ever been in a passenger compartment before?

Over the long history of railways in this country I'm sure that most if not all species of animal native to this land (and some that aren't) will have been conveyed or been in a train at some point.

The pet carrier rule seems slightly odd, as a friend of mine has a large Maine-coon cat that goes for walks with a lead and harness and behaves perfectly fine. I can't imagine he (the cat) would cause any trouble on a train journey but getting him into a cat carrier is quite a mission in itself!

I imagine it's a case of needing to draft rules to cover the majority situation rather than trying to fit every unique situation. The vast majority of cats are not trained to be 'walked' like a dog would be so rather than leaving it up to the judgement of the individual owner it makes sense, to me at least, to just have a blanket rule. Admitted in some cases it may not be necessary but it should save aggravation on all sides by having plain and simple rules to deal with animals on trains.

What the duck?....

Come on you must have had at least one interesting animal on a train of yours before now! :p
 

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Any queries from the train manager, just tell them to put the fare on the bill which will be paid later after its been to see the quack.
 
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It was thr London midland stopper, I think it would be more likely allowed on there than the VTWC service
 

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What if the duck waddles into first class? Who gets the bill?

(I know who needs to get their coat: me.)
 

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The pet carrier rule seems slightly odd, as a friend of mine has a large Maine-coon cat that goes for walks with a lead and harness and behaves perfectly fine. I can't imagine he (the cat) would cause any trouble on a train journey but getting him into a cat carrier is quite a mission in itself!

It would probably smell less than a lot of dogs as well.
 

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I think that the whole idea is quackers.
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Eider wanted to find an alternative solution, perhaps haulage by Mallard!!
 

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In the meantime in Southern twitter land there has been a discussion about how many chickens you can get in a train carriage with the alleged record being 519.

If they all had to be in carriers that might explain the low number, although the Southern tweet team had a theory the problem was getting them to stay in the carriage whilst you put more in.
 

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Interesting that the duck should be required to remain calm and quiet, why is it that children are allowed to travel on trains then ............... ?
 

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In the meantime in Southern twitter land there has been a discussion about how many chickens you can get in a train carriage with the alleged record being 519.

If they all had to be in carriers that might explain the low number, although the Southern tweet team had a theory the problem was getting them to stay in the carriage whilst you put more in.

If only we still had 'Record Breakers' on telly to find out!
 

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Interesting that the duck should be required to remain calm and quiet, why is it that children are allowed to travel on trains then ............... ?

Maybe this thread should be merged with the conversation on quiet coaches. :)
 

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I find it strange someone questioned standard class specifically. Maybe they thought ducks would be given a small pool to swim around in and some organic oats if they travelled first but wasn't sure on the provision in standard. :D
 

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Interestingly a tyrell message came through last week asking staff to be on the lookout for a rabbit which had escaped its carrier and was on board a train somewhere across the pennines......

I found a freshly neutered kitten left on board the train with no coming forward to claim it. That was eventually adopted by one of the FCH's at Reading. My find, my efforts, my work, yet the train manager claimed all the credit. Despite my protests i never received an apology or thanks from Virgin Trains or from management for that.

I always make sure my colleagues are credited where appropriate because of that....
 

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Definitely allowed duck in the past on certain FGW/GWR services.

It would have cost you £20 though.
 
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