Salford Councillors want to ban swearing at Salford Quays

[pemma]

A council has been slammed for trying to outlaw swearing in the streets at a posh docklands development in Salford.

Salford council has brought in a Public Space Protection Order to cover the Quays area in a bid to curb anti-social behaviour.

Part of the order says it will be deemed a criminal offence if anyone is caught “using foul and abusive language”,

But the order fails to give any guidance on which words will be considered “foul and abusive” enough to constitute a criminal offence.

Anyone breaching the conditions faces an on-the-spot fine.

It could be bad news for disgruntled Manchester United fans on their way back from Old Trafford - thousands use The Quays as a walking route to and from the ground.

Also comedian Mark Thomas is performing at The Lowry arts centre and has prepared a list of words he intends to use which he is sending to the council - to see if they breach the order.

And now leading human rights group Liberty has written to Salford council saying the move risks ‘breaching right to freedom of expression’.

Liberty says the order could ‘have a chilling effect on freedom of expression.’

However, Salford council have hit back saying they are only attempting to help Salford residents whose lives are being made a misery by anti-social behaviour.

The PSPO was introduced in August 2015 and covers an area of the Quays.

In the letter to City Director Jim Taylor, Liberty’s Legal Officer, Liberty’s Rosie Brighouse has requested clarification on four points.

She asks:
“Does the language have to be both foul and abusive to breach the PSPO, or is its purpose to ban both language that is foul but not abusive, and language that is abusive but not foul?

“What is the difference between language that is foul and language that is abusive?

“What legal test will be applied to determine whether language is foul and/or abusive?

“If someone uses foul and/or abusive language in the area covered by the PSPO, but there is no one present to hear it, will that amount to a criminal offence?”

– LIBERTY’S ROSIE BRIGHOUSE
Ms Brighouse said:
“This is a staggering example of the misuse of a Public Space Protection Order – so vaguely worded it’s impossible for anybody to know whether they’re in danger of breaking the law.

“The right to say what we want should not be restricted at the whim of council officials, able to issue fixed penalty notices on the basis of a poorly defined legal order. Without the freedom to offend, real freedom of expression cannot exist.

“Liberty is concerned that, in its current vaguely worded form, the Order will have a “chilling effect on artistic performers and political activists in the Salford Quays area – which encompasses the renowned Lowry theatre.”

– LIBERTY’S ROSIE BRIGHOUSE
Liberty’s letter says comedian and activist Mark Thomas, with whom Liberty is working on this issue, will perform at the venue next week and intends to encourage his audience to join him in a number of artistic and political activities after the show in the area outside.

Mr Thomas is concerned that he is unable to predict whether he or any audience member will be in breach of the PSPO – and therefore committing a criminal offence – by participating in his planned activities.

A spokesman for Salford City Council said:
"We will discuss Liberty's concerns privately with them and make sure nothing interferes with Mr Thomas's artistic performance.

"Liberty are fully aware that breach of a PSPO is only an offence if a person does a prohibited act without a reasonable excuse. That allows all the circumstances to be taken into account. I appreciate Liberty want publicity for their campaign against these orders but Salford City Council is not going to apologise for using national legislation to help Salford residents when their lives are being made a misery by anti-social behaviour.

"This order was introduced last summer after complaints from local residents about anti-social behaviour, including people throwing wheelie bins into the Quays and tampering with emergency life saving equipment.

"Over 130 local residents responded to the consultation about whether to introduce this order. Of those 76% were in favour of the order and 94% agreed with a ban on causing general disturbance including being abusive to other persons, using foul language, being rowdy and inconsiderate."

– SALFORD CITY COUNCIL

http://www.itv.com/news/granada/2016-03-02/salford-council-tries-to-outlaw-swearing-at-the-quays/

I guess that would mean banning the filming of the Jeremy Kyle show there.

 

[deltic1989]

Surely if this would breach the right to freedom of expression, as "Liberty" (Whoever they are) claims then so does S5 Public Order Act 1986, Which basically makes it illegal to use foul and abusive language in a public place anyway.

 

[me123]

A load of ****ing nonsense. Not in the public interest and a waste of time and effort.

 

[Minilad]

Is one of the words on the list the one word that everyone in polite society hates to hear.

PACER

 

[ExRes]

Is one of the words on the list the one word that everyone in polite society hates to hear.

PACER

Please, I've told you 442 times not to use language like that on a family forum

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Perhaps the elected members of the Salford region will set a good example by ensuring that no swearing of any sort is heard in sittings of the council.

 

[Merseysider]

They'll have to ban most of the local population if the clampdown on swearing is to be effective

 

[krus_aragon]

On reading the thread title, I found myself wondering where they want people to go to swear instead.

 

[Antman]

Doesn't seem unreasonable to me, I've no problem with a bit of 'industrial language' at the appropriate place and time but does anybody really want to listen to foul mouthed cretins who can't put a sentence together without f'ing and blinding?

 

[pemma]

On reading the thread title, I found myself wondering where they want people to go to swear instead.

Across the bridge in Old Trafford maybe?

 

[Clip]

Theres a borough in north west london that wants to use these orders to prevent 2 or more people standing together too. Proper **** people in positions of power

 

[Busaholic]

It's all part of the privatisation of formerly-public space, as has occurred, for instance, at St Paul's in London. The 'right to roam' in the countryside has been countered by 'the right to erect barriers and keep out whoever we like' in towns and cities, complete with private security guards. Oh, and by the way, not because this country is being required to do so by Brussels.

 

[Bevan Price]

Theres a borough in north west london that wants to use these orders to prevent 2 or more people standing together too. Proper **** people in positions of power

The position of councillor (and jobs with uniforms) seem to attract a lot of control freaks who like to tell other people "what is good for them".

 

[STEVIEBOY1]

The boss of a firm I worked for wanted to bring in a swear box, £ 5.00 each time of £ 10.00 for a really bad word.