backontrack
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I like it, but what do you guys think? How well does it compare to these?
And what do you think of these if we end up with them?
I'm afraid that none of these pictures are mine.
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To be honest I quite like it actually.
I'm old fashioned; I like stripes and blocks of colour. I thought the plum and reflective gold Northern Spirit Transpennine Express livery looked excellent and suited the 158s it was applied to very well (but was subsequently wrecked by Firsts' blue vinyls). The Provincial livery applied to the Trans-pennine mark 2s, and a single class 47 loco, which was subsequently easily adapted for the Regional Railways identity, was also very appealing.
My general opinion on First Group liveries is that each new style makes the one that went before seem better by comparison. Corporate "Barbie bus", as applied to a few 185s when they were new, looked fairly uninspiring on most rolling stock it was applied to, but was still better than the directionless mess that, to me, is represented by the "Dynamic lines" scheme that followed it. Having said that, the "oversized" Dynamic lines variant of the livery that is applied to the 350/4s looks somewhat better in comparison.
I'm not a fan of grey based liveries (which the new TPE scheme primarily is away from the cab ends), or overly complex arrangements only suitable for vinyl application, but the new livery does look a good sight better than Dynamic lines IMO.
I suspect that you'd be right there, the application of Northern Spirit livery to the 333s proved that it didn't work as effectively on stock with mid-vehicle doors - it was much better suited to end door stock.I response, I don't think that the plum & gold livery works very well on the 185s.
I quite like the metallic blue on the cab ends. As a side note, do we really need such a huge picture of the 350. I'd hate to be browsing on mobile and trying to load that!
I suspect that you'd be right there, the application of Northern Spirit livery to the 333s proved that it didn't work as effectively on stock with mid-vehicle doors - it was much better suited to end door stock.
I didn't think it was bad (the same scheme looked excellent on the solitary 158 that also carried it); it was certainly bright enough and very striking, but just looked a bit disjointed when broken up by the ribbon glazing and colour contrasting doors.Personally, I liked the Northern Spirit 333 livery - a unique colour combination (red and yellow) and it worked well with the grey N and black window stripe.
I think that ribbon glazing has subsequently been found to lead to increased rates of corrosion in the corners of the window frames, and hence is no longer as popular as it was around the turn of the millennium.A shame that they aren't window stripes on more of today's stock.
where is the "not bothered it is only paint" option............
I see.
I'm surprised that the 158 livery is proving as popular as it is. I like the 158s fully in burgundy, but I'm not a fan of the tacky vinyl stripe below the windows. Something like this would have been much better - in gold and burgundy only.
Is that your response when decorating rooms or choosing cars?
I wanted the option "They're all absolutely effing hideous and anyone promoting this as livery should be shot"
They got rid of the yellow ends and this is what they did with the rest of the train?
Awful, almost as awful as Virgins Mazuma mobile.com or whatever it is.
Pet peeve of mine, just stop making it all so busy. Choose 2 colours that contrast, add a black or a white and you're there.
ROSCOS clearly have deals with over-elaborate vinyl makers
I think that ribbon glazing has subsequently been found to lead to increased rates of corrosion in the corners of the window frames, and hence is no longer as popular as it was around the turn of the millennium.
Aye, the First Group blue vinyls summarily trashed what had previously been, IMO, quite a classy livery. The adhesive they used also seemed to do a very good job of eating away at the varnish or paint finish by the time that they were peeled off when the units were sent to Central Trains, which looked a total mess (especially when white Central Trains 'Big C' vinyls were then slapped on the cab ends!).I'm surprised that the 158 livery is proving as popular as it is. I like the 158s fully in burgundy, but I'm not a fan of the tacky vinyl stripe below the windows.
where is the "not bothered it is only paint" option............
The original gold and burgundy TPE livery was quite nice. I suppose you could have done burgundy with gold doors.
I wanted the option "They're all absolutely effing hideous and anyone promoting this as livery should be shot"
This site doesn't like bitly for some reason.
My general opinion on First Group liveries is that each new style makes the one that went before seem better by comparison.
The new is very nice in my opinion. I've just noticed - is there no "operated by First Group" anywhere on them?
It's called not voting.
Yeah, that could work really well.
Meh, I didn't like the Central Trains livery at all but that didn't drive me to homicide.
There is genuinely not 1 livery that I like in the UK. Perhaps why we as brits are always struggling to find identity: trying to please the entire world rather than what makes passengers happy