Steam heating pipes

[ryan125hst]

I've been looking at photos of steam locomotives recently and one thing that I have noticed is the fact that not all steam locomotives have steam heating pipes at the front (smokebox end) of the loco. I wondered the case was that locomotives designed for branch line work where they may often be working trains tender first were fitted with steam heating pipes at both ends whereas express passenger locos were only fitted with steam heat pipes at the tender end of the loco. However, this doesn't appear to be the case.

Sir Nigel Gresley, for example, appears to have a steam heat pipe at the front as well as two air brake pipes and a vacuum brake pipe, (see photo I've found here: http://www.gw-svr-a.org.uk/images/60007-2_600px.jpg), as does Duchess of Sutherland (see here: http://www.tyseleylocoworks.co.uk/tlw/images104/46233tys240612bjv.jpg)

Braunton seemed to only be fitted with vacuum brakes and steam heating at the front back in 2010 (http://img08.deviantart.net/51fc/i/2010/207/6/5/34046_braunton_03___jul_2010_by_tyrie2001.jpg) but has since been also fitted with air brakes as can be seen here: https://locoyard.files.wordpress.co...rebuilt-west-country-class-34046-braunton.jpg. It has retained it's steam heating pipe at the front.


However, Flying Scotsman only appears to have been fitted with vacuum and air brake pipes on the front of the loco. There's no evidence of a steam heat pipe at all (see here: http://blog.ministryofpropaganda.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/flying-scotsman-front.jpg)

So the question is, what was the case during the days of steam? Were express passenger locos fitted with steam heat pipes at the front? Is this a modern day addition given that these locos often work tender first on heritage railways? And does anyone know why Flying Scotsman hasn't been fitted with a steam heat pipe on the front despite it working on heritage railways?
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I'm surprised that no one has replied to this yet as I'm sure there are many members who volunteer at heritage railways.

Anyone got any ideas or observations to add?

 

[Phil.]

I've been looking at photos of steam locomotives recently and one thing that I have noticed is the fact that not all steam locomotives have steam heating pipes at the front (smokebox end) of the loco. I wondered the case was that locomotives designed for branch line work where they may often be working trains tender first were fitted with steam heating pipes at both ends whereas express passenger locos were only fitted with steam heat pipes at the tender end of the loco. However, this doesn't appear to be the case.

Sir Nigel Gresley, for example, appears to have a steam heat pipe at the front as well as two air brake pipes and a vacuum brake pipe, (see photo I've found here: http://www.gw-svr-a.org.uk/images/60007-2_600px.jpg), as does Duchess of Sutherland (see here: http://www.tyseleylocoworks.co.uk/tlw/images104/46233tys240612bjv.jpg)

Braunton seemed to only be fitted with vacuum brakes and steam heating at the front back in 2010 (http://img08.deviantart.net/51fc/i/2010/207/6/5/34046_braunton_03___jul_2010_by_tyrie2001.jpg) but has since been also fitted with air brakes as can be seen here: https://locoyard.files.wordpress.co...rebuilt-west-country-class-34046-braunton.jpg. It has retained it's steam heating pipe at the front.


However, Flying Scotsman only appears to have been fitted with vacuum and air brake pipes on the front of the loco. There's no evidence of a steam heat pipe at all (see here: http://blog.ministryofpropaganda.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/flying-scotsman-front.jpg)

So the question is, what was the case during the days of steam? Were express passenger locos fitted with steam heat pipes at the front? Is this a modern day addition given that these locos often work tender first on heritage railways? And does anyone know why Flying Scotsman hasn't been fitted with a steam heat pipe on the front despite it working on heritage railways?
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I'm surprised that no one has replied to this yet as I'm sure there are many members who volunteer at heritage railways.

Anyone got any ideas or observations to add?

Basically you've summed it up. The larger express passenger locos weren't fitted with steam pipes at the front as they weren't expected to be hauling trains tender first. In preservation locos may be fitted with steam pipes on the front as they will be working tender first.

 

[ryan125hst]

Basically you've summed it up. The larger express passenger locos weren't fitted with steam pipes at the front as they weren't expected to be hauling trains tender first. In preservation locos may be fitted with steam pipes on the front as they will be working tender first.

Thanks Phil. I thought that was the case but wanted confirmation.