Having had the doors shut on me suddenly while aboard the 1922 to Liverpool at Kirkdale station, I was wondering if it is acceptable for the doors to be shut without the hustle alarm being sounded.
from what I've gathered, it doesn't sound when a passenger closes it? however I may be totaly wrong, so I'm sure that someone will correct me XD
It shouldn't happen, but there are certain conditions on some stock when it can. I'd report it to...I was wondering if it is acceptable for the doors to be shut without the hustle alarm being sounded.
Most of the stock didn't have power doors that can shut with considerable force.How did we manage back in the day when we didn't have "hustle alarms"?
Most of the stock didn't have power doors that can shut with considerable force.
How did we manage back in the day when we didn't have "hustle alarms"?
How did we manage back in the day when we didn't have "hustle alarms"?
With significantly more (totally avoidable) accidents, injuries and fatalities, I'll wager.
That's true, but there were more deaths and accidents as well.Everybody didn't walk around deaf to the world with their face stuck in a phone.
That's true, but there were more deaths and accidents as well.
The point is that hustle alarms are just one of many things that make life safer, but which are poo-pooed by the 'health and ****ing safety' brigade.Of course there was for a million reasons, but not particularly because of train doors.
How did we manage back in the day when we didn't have "hustle alarms"?
I think you'll find people manged quite well and were more aware in those days.
Everybody didn't walk around deaf to the world with their face stuck in a phone.
from what I've gathered, it doesn't sound when a passenger closes it? however I may be totaly wrong, so I'm sure that someone will correct me XD
It shouldn't happen, but there are certain conditions on some stock when it can. I'd report it tothe TOC concernedMerseyrail so that they can investigate if its a fault or a 'feature'.
Most of the stock didn't have power doors that can shut with considerable force.
Thanks. I don't use Merseyrail that often so wasn't sure if all their stock was the same. I was more commenting on the 'what did we do before hustle alarms, OMG it's health and safety gone mad' attitude in general, rather than the specifics of the OP's case.Merseyrail units don't really shut the doors with all that much force, like doors on LU it is easy to resist them closing. And you get a hissing sound before it.
Thanks. I don't use Merseyrail that often so wasn't sure if all their stock was the same. I was more commenting on the 'what did we do before hustle alarms, OMG it's health and safety gone mad' attitude in general, rather than the specifics of the OP's case.
Is that a new thing about traincrew not being able to bell off with the local door open? Definately saw it a few months ago!What hustle alarms did to Merseyrail (when coupled with staff not being able to bell the train off with the crew door open any more) was increase Ormskirk-Liverpool running times by 2 minutes. And I don't recall people often getting trapped before, if only because the loud hiss preceding door closure made the point adequately.
What hustle alarms did to Merseyrail (when coupled with staff not being able to bell the train off with the crew door open any more) was increase Ormskirk-Liverpool running times by 2 minutes. And I don't recall people often getting trapped before, if only because the loud hiss preceding door closure made the point adequately.
The whole of the Underground before the 1992 stock, - the difference was that passengers knew that the doors would close when the guard blew up. They didn't then try to beat the doors.
On BR, my experience was the class 306 'Shenfield' units. Their doors' closure was preceded by the sound of compressed air released by an opening valve which last about 1 second.
It doesn't on some stock, but Merseyrail doors do not have a passenger close button.
Are you sure they can't bell with the door open ? I've seen it fairly recently; in the tunnel section as well.
Is that a new thing about traincrew not being able to bell off with the local door open? Definately saw it a few months ago!
Incidentally, what was the first BR class to have hustle alarms? 150s? Or were they retrofitted?
Incidentally, what was the first BR class to have hustle alarms? 150s? Or were they retrofitted?
442s were first entered service in 1988 and afaik they've always had hustle alarms
442s were first entered service in 1988 and afaik they've always had hustle alarms
They physically can but the procedures have changed so they are not allowed to any more, AIUI (and they can't if dispatching from a passenger door).
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Yes, I believe it was a recent change. And IMO a very negative one for dispatch safety.
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Retrofitted, surprisingly recently (mid 1990s). I would hazard a guess that the first fitted as built was class 158, or an EMU of similar vintage.
Guards ARE allowed to dispatch a train with the local cab door not fully closed,however it must be in the process of closing when the bell is given. This is official as it comes under a local instruction.
Guards would never be able to dispatch a Merseyrail train from the coach with the local door open however as the driver couldn't obtain traction interlock