Will train operating companies show leanency in regards degree status?

[Quantumspotter]

Good afternoon all.

Firstly, a big thank you to all that took the time to answer my previous questions. The information has been very helpful. Secondly, I find myself here again looking for help and advice. I have contacted the TOC in question however, they did not answer the question directly. So as their are some very knowledgeable people on this forum, I thought I'd start here again. I have seen a few middle/junior management positions. For a few they are not specific about degree level, yet a couple are. They ask for a 2:1 in other cases. I have a 2:2 but I also have many years working in many other sectors both public and private which I can draw from. So simply, would my application be still looked upon favourably?

Kind regards.

Quantum.

 

[Clip]

Without knowing what the roles are and the TOCs concerned I couldnt possibly give any advice upon it.

 

[telstarbox]

You've got four options:

Apply, say you got 2:2, go heavy on the relevant experience in the application, see what happens;

Apply, say you got the 2:1, get to the interview, do the interview (assuming you get that far) but crucially tell the interviewers about the 2:2 at the end of the interview;

As above but don't tell them - morally questionable, also risky;

Or don't apply.

 

[CatfordCat]

Apply, say you got the 2:1, get to the interview, do the interview (assuming you get that far) but crucially tell the interviewers about the 2:2 at the end of the interview

I'm not involved in railway recruitment, and haven't been involved in recruitment at all recently, but I'd have thought that most employers would think twice about someone who, at interview, tells them they lied about their qualifications on their application

Also, most employers would regard lying in the application process to be reasonable grounds for terminating someone's employment if they find out at a later stage...

 

[Bletchleyite]

I'm not involved in railway recruitment, and haven't been involved in recruitment at all recently, but I'd have thought that most employers would think twice about someone who, at interview, tells them they lied about their qualifications on their application

Also, most employers would regard lying in the application process to be reasonable grounds for terminating someone's employment if they find out at a later stage...

I agree. Never, ever lie on a job application, not even the smallest lie.

I'm not a recruiter, but if I was I would reject any candidate found to be lying, however minor, out of hand, and if I found they had when they were employed they would get the sack forthwith.

There has to be an absolute relationship of trust in an employment relationship. The situation at Southern makes it clear what happens (the other way round) when there is not!
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Apply, say you got 2:2, go heavy on the relevant experience in the application, see what happens;

If you want the job, this is the only option you really have. Sell yourself heavily and explain why it doesn't matter that you got a 2:2.

It might be that they are absolute on it, it might not, really depends on the organisation.

 

[Mag_seven]

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[greatkingrat]

You could just say that you have a degree in X and not mention the grade at all. If they then specifically ask you what the grade was, tell the truth, but there is a good chance they won't bother.

 

[Quantumspotter]

Well thanks for the replays there guys. All have been very helpful indeed. I have just checked again and the 8 different positions have now had the deadline extended twice so far! I'll submit my applications this afternoon and see what happens guys. Again thanks to all that took the time to reply.

Kind regards.

Quantum.

 

[talltim]

If you are applying, do a spell check. There's one needed in the thread title and one in the post above.

 

[JohnFM]

You've got four options:

Apply, say you got the 2:1, get to the interview, do the interview (assuming you get that far) but crucially tell the interviewers about the 2:2 at the end of the interview;
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That will guarantee you being binned. Dishonesty simply to get your face in front of the interviewer will be, quite rightly, dealt with harshly. If shows that you are willing to test and adjust the rules to suit. Not a good trait for someone working in a safety critical role!

Put the truth down and state that although you do not have a 2:1 you have this, that and t'other going for you instead.

To be fair I disagree sometimes whether a degree is required for a managerial position; I favour experience far, far more in such situations. It is OK to know about managerial theories and practices but applying them and dealing with real people rather than writing about it in a dissertation are entirely different situations.

Many degree qualified people I have dealt with are as thick as a whale sandwich, in daily life, yet the person with the basic school education and an ability to manage effectively is worth far, far more.

Sell yourself, not your ability to study.

 

[telstarbox]

Quite possibly, but if the OP wasn't going to get to the interview due to the rigid 2:1 requirement then there's nothing to lose.

 

[JohnFM]

I have interviewed before.

Being honest by stating on the application that you don't have a 2:1 but have x, y and z will always give you some credit.

Come to me with a lie and you're gone. No if's, no buts, no "well you're here now I might as well use you".

There are ways in which a qualification can be checked quite easily either in the form of the original or by online means and many employers do check; I had to when recruiting staff as well as checking compulsory registration.

It is not that you might be the best person around, you might well be, but there is one fact that cannot be overlooked - You lied. I therefore cannot trust you.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Quite possibly, but if the OP wasn't going to get to the interview due to the rigid 2:1 requirement then there's nothing to lose.

There is if a future job comes up. If one is found out for lying, one is probably disqualifying oneself from any future positions at that organisation and possibly also others.
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It is not that you might be the best person around, you might well be, but there is one fact that cannot be overlooked - You lied. I therefore cannot trust you.

This, above absolutely everything else.