Arriva Class 57 timings

[jv3531]

Hi guys, for anyone whos interested:

Arriva Trains Wales "Premier Train"
Class 57/3 + Mk2 BSO + Mk2 TSO + Mk2 TSO + Mk3a RFM + Class 57/3

1V31 runs SX from 15/12/08 to 15/05/09
HOLYHEAD 05:32
VALLEY PASS 05:38
GAERWEN PASS 05:51
LLANFRPWL PASS 05:53
MENAI BDG PASS 05:55
BANGOR 06:00 06:02
PENMAENMR PASS 06:12
LLNDUDNOJ 06:19 06:21
COLWYNBAY PASS 06:25
RHYL 06:34 06:36
HOLYWELLJ PASS 06:47
FLINT 06:51 06:52
RKLFFHALL PASS 06:55
SALTNEYJN PASS 07:04
CHESTERSJ PASS 07:05
CHESTER 07:06 07:08
BEESTNCSL PASS 07:20
CWESTLWKS PASS 07:27
CREWE 07:31 07:35
GRESTY LN PASS 07:38
NANTWICH PASS 07:42
WRENBURY PASS 07:46
PREES PASS 07:54
WEM PASS 07:57
HARLESCOT PASS 08:04
SHREWSBRY 08:08 08:10
SUTTONBJN PASS 08:13
DORRINGTN PASS 08:19
MARSHBKLC PASS 08:27
CRAVENARM PASS 08:31
BROMFIELD PASS 08:36
WOOFERTON PASS 08:41
LEOMINSTR PASS 08:45
MORTONOLG PASS 08:52
SHELWICKJ PASS 08:56
HEREFORD PASS 08:58
TRAM INN PASS 09:05
PONTRILAS PASS 09:10
ABERGAVNY PASS 09:20
LITMILLJN PASS 09:26
MAINDEENJ PASS 09:36
MAINDEEWJ PASS 09:38
NEWPORT 09:40 09:42
EBBW JN PASS 09:45
MARSHFLD PASS 09:51
CARDIFCEN 09:58

1W91 runs SX from 15/12/08 to 15/05/09
CARDIFCEN 16:17
MARSHFLD PASS 16:24
EBBW JN PASS 16:26
NEWPORT 16:29 16:31
MAINDEEWJ PASS 16:32
MAINDEENJ PASS 16:33
CWMBRAN 16:40 16:41
LITMILLJN PASS 16:47
ABERGAVNY 16:54 16:55
PONTRILAS PASS 17:06
TRAM INN PASS 17:10
HEREFORD PASS 17:19
SHELWICKJ PASS 17:21
MORTONOLG PASS 17:23
LEOMINSTR PASS 17:30
WOOFERTON PASS 17:35
BROMFIELD PASS 17:41
CRAVENARM PASS 17:45
MARSHBKLC PASS 17:51
DORRINGTN PASS 17:59
SUTTONBJN PASS 18:05
SHREWSBRY 18:07 18:09
HARLESCOT PASS 18:13
WEM PASS 18:20
PREES PASS 18:23
WRENBURY PASS 18:32
NANTWICH PASS 18:38
GRESTY LN PASS 18:43
CREWE 18:44 18:46
CWESTLWKS PASS 18:49
BEESTNCSL PASS 18:57
CHESTER 19:08 19:10
CHESTERSJ PASS 19:11
SALTNEYJN PASS 19:13
RKLFFHALL PASS 19:20
FLINT 19:23 19:24
HOLYWELLJ PASS 19:29
RHYL 19:40 19:42
COLWYNBAY PASS 19:51
LLNDUDNOJ 19:54 19:56
PENMAENMR PASS 20:03
BANGOR 20:12 20:14
MENAI BDG PASS 20:17
LLANFRPWL PASS 20:19
GAERWEN PASS 20:22
VALLEY PASS 20:35
HOLYHEAD 20:44

(Am not sure if in correct area, mods please move if necessary!!!)

 

[me123]

Moved to "Tours and Special Workings".

 

[HSTfan!!!]

bah so these are the timings, not what i was expecting to be quite honest but better than i had expected. Tis going to be an interesting one to watch

 

[Coradia]

So looks like the 10:03 Manc-Holyhead two years ago will not be the last loco hauled on the North Wales coast. Hope this is definite will be fantastic to get some more locomotive traction on there. Nice long distance routes they are being put on too.

 

[HSTfan!!!]

Hope this is definite will be fantastic to get some more locomotive traction on there.

Lol yes its definite, its only being run for the welsh assembly to get to and from meetings really, hence the addition of first class. Put posters up last night for the december timetable change and this service was listed on there, the return working will be in place of the 1608 off cardiff I think? either way gets to newport at 1623 for all stops to abergavenny.

 

[Benn88]

What days will this be running on?

 

[devon_metro]

Mondays to Friday

 

[The Planner]

Best bit about it is that Arriva didnt want to run it, they have already cut it down from the 2 return journeys a day that WAG wanted. There is no money in it for them, Grand Union are currently fighting the decision aswell. The 57s are getting repainted at some point too. The service would actually run quicker as a DMU as the set cant run at line speed over a lot of the stretch south of Shrewsbury, not enough brake force in the set. Did no one see the test run we had going sat in Newport a couple of weeks back ?

 

[EE Type 3]

Bit of a sh*tter for Arriva if you ask me, someone tell me why Arriva didn't get 180s? I am baffled :???:

 

[Techniquest]

No point having 125mph capable trains if you can't go over 100mph!

Thanks to the OP for the timings, I'm looking forward to seeing these through Hereford, even more so travelling on them.

 

[The Planner]

No point having 125mph capable trains if you can't go over 100mph!

Thanks to the OP for the timings, I'm looking forward to seeing these through Hereford, even more so travelling on them.

The southbound one will run through the platform road, not the middle as its less restrictive and quicker !! the through road is approach controlled and slower !! As for 100mph, the 57 set cant go above 80mph.

 

[EE Type 3]

No point having 125mph capable trains if you can't go over 100mph!

Thanks to the OP for the timings, I'm looking forward to seeing these through Hereford, even more so travelling on them.

Tell that to Northern.

I'm not getting at the top speed, I'm getting at the fact that they can travel the same routes as 175s, they are 5 cars, 5 engines instead of 1, they are quick at accelerating, and would solve Arriva's chronic unit shortage, displacing 175s to work the Chester - Birminghams, which would release 158s for cover and to strengthen other services.

Or am I being too simple? :???:

 

[Techniquest]

Fair points there. There must have been some underlying reason why Arriva didn't get the 180s, particularly as one of the requirements for this service was to have First Class and the FC in the 180s is rather spiffing.

Ta for that The Planner, I would have thought the southbound through road at Hereford was less restrictive than the platform road, but there we go! Getting the northbound will do, although not having the southbound one done too will be just that little bit annoying!

 

[EE Type 3]

Fair points there. There must have been some underlying reason why Arriva didn't get the 180s, particularly as one of the requirements for this service was to have First Class and the FC in the 180s is rather spiffing.

Fair comments, I've not experienced First Class on the 180s myself, but surely a refresh would solve that? IMO, the 180s would have a better place on Cardiff - Holyheads than on Blackpool to where ever for Northern, they won't be able to fit in most stations either, I hear.

But hey, the DfT knows best......

 

[87015]

I'm not getting at the top speewould solve Arriva's chronic unit shortage, displacing 175s to work the Chester - Birminghams, which would release 158s for cover and to strengthen other services.

I presume in theory no 175s (or 150s for the matter) to Brum from the new timetable as what works in from Chester goes back to Aber and vice versa, so RETB sector stuff only which AFAIK is just 158s?

Seems a bit of a waste to top and tail the damn thing especially as it goes via Crewe but there you go what a quality unit only railway we have - although possibly wise not to trust a single 57!?!

 

[Techniquest]

Well yeah, after all it's them (well the SRA I think actually) that rejected MML's plans for extra Leeds services, which would have been super helpful.

But it's other stupid things like the way they allocate the DMU fleet around the place that boggles people's minds. I can't see any logic in it, nor can anyone else.

The ridiculous franchise contracts/agreements get on my nerves too. How the DfT can expect rail to be a money-maker I just don't know.

Still, none of us will have to worry about it soon, the recession's going to scupper all of our bashing/photting desires. Maybe once that's through the DfT will stop expecting £1b+ premiums off franchises. Maybe...

Or not...

 

[EE Type 3]

I presume in theory no 175s (or 150s for the matter) to Brum from the new timetable as what works in from Chester goes back to Aber and vice versa, so RETB sector stuff only which AFAIK is just 158s?

Seems a bit of a waste to top and tail the damn thing especially as it goes via Crewe but there you go what a quality unit only railway we have - although possibly wise not to trust a single 57!?!

The Chester - Birmingham and the Aber/Pwelly - Birmingham services are different trains. Unless they plan to change that come December? Also the Brums are being extended to International as of the timetable change.

 

[Techniquest]

Got to top and tail really for maximum flexibility in case of random diversions and what have thou.

As for those Aber - Brum trains going to International, surely that means it's 90% of them turning back early at New Street and not Wolverhampton?

 

[EE Type 3]

As for those Aber - Brum trains going to International, surely that means it's 90% of them turning back early at New Street and not Wolverhampton?

I have actually been on a service which has made it to Birmingham, I had to bang my head on the door on the way out to make sure it was actually happening

I'm pretty sure there is a Chester service at around 1930 at Shrewsbury which now has Wolerhampton as it's booked destination! hock:

 

[The Planner]

Got to top and tail really for maximum flexibility in case of random diversions and what have thou.

As for those Aber - Brum trains going to International, surely that means it's 90% of them turning back early at New Street and not Wolverhampton?

Its actually done to get the Abers out of New St, plenty of platforms to hide them at International. Route learners are back and forth into platforms 1 and 5 most days at the mo

 

[Techniquest]

Aye, but it's fun to take the redundant waters with that particular service, given its awful record for actually arriving and departing at New Street!

Mind, a few years back on a HoE rover bash I got an ex-CT 158 (didn't write down which one! ) all the way from Birmingham New Street to Chester. By F**K it was boring. I think if I'd known how far it was I'd have flagged it! To get on an ATW service out of Birmingham though...

Dave:

 

[HSTfan!!!]

Did no one see the test run we had going sat in Newport a couple of weeks back ?

Was my day off so I didn't get to see that lol! According to a driver I spoke to there only 3 or 4 drivers trained up on the 57s and that they wouldn't be dropping their booked turns to drive it.

 

[EE Type 3]

Was my day off so I didn't get to see that lol! According to a driver I spoke to there only 3 or 4 drivers trained up on the 57s and that they wouldn't be dropping their booked turns to drive it.

WAG Express http://railphotos.demeseo.com/p54441836.html

I missed it by 5 minutes.

 

[The Snap]

As for 100mph, the 57 set cant go above 80mph.

95mph...

 

[anthony263]

I am planning on traveling on this new loco hauled train january, when i receive my next student loans payment lol.

first great western are also looking at more loco hauled trains on the cardiff- taunton route

 

[matt]

95mph...

I believe 80 mph is the limit due to number of coaches (i.e. brake force) not the limit of the loco.

 

[HSTfan!!!]

first great western are also looking at more loco hauled trains on the cardiff- taunton route

I heard this also off a colleague which should be interesting to see. I see in the December timetable one or two are extended to exeter st davids as well.

 

[Techniquest]

Ta to Snapper for this little update over on the WNXX forum:

57315 now at LNWR with nameplates removed and ready for re-paint into some form of ATW green (turquoise or whatever it is, it looks flipping green to me!) and cream.

One other to get the same treatment and two others to get something similar to BR Blue.

Ta again to Snapper.

 

[EE Type 3]

Ta to Snapper for this little update over on the WNXX forum:

57315 now at LNWR with nameplates removed and ready for re-paint into some form of ATW green (turquoise or whatever it is, it looks flipping green to me!) and cream.

One other to get the same treatment and two others to get something similar to BR Blue.

Ta again to Snapper.

The last part sounds good to me

 

[Techniquest]

Make it Large Logo and I'll be happy

Going to be strange to see a 57/3 not in Virgin livery!