*UPDATED* Idea Greater Bristol area redraw

[freetoview33]

I have slightly edited things, taking into account recent developments but also looking forward to new North Bristol developments and metrobus (After looking through the detailed planning applications, yes a little too much free time) I want to have a future proof idea that shouldn't need major changes for a while.

And as before much more detailed excel doc available on request

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1: Temple Meads - Cribbs Causeway (Route of current service 1, every 15 mins, double decker)

X1: Bristol Bus Station - Chepstow (Basically reverting to the old X14, serving Clifton, Westbury and Cribbs Causeway, every 60 mins, single decker)

2: Temple Meads - Cribbs Causeway (Route of current service 1 as far as Westbury Village, then route of service 508 to Airbus, Charlton Road, then New Charlton, [Filton airfield] to Cribbs Causeway, every 15 mins, double decker)

X2: Bristol Bus Station - Caldicot (Basically reverting to the old X14, serving Clifton, Westbury, New Charlton and Cribbs Causeway, every 60 mins, single decker)

Caldicot is similar size to Chepstow, but lacks good links, but with proposed M4, M48, M49 changes access should get better.

3: Temple Meads - Severn Beach (Route of current service 624, 2 trips in each direction per day, single decker)

To ensure Hallen and Compton Greenfield maintains a service as well as Severn beach to the centre.

4: Temple Meads - Cribbs Causeway (Route of current service 2, every 15 mins, double decker)

5: Temple Meads - Cribbs Causeway (Route of current service 3, every 15 mins, double decker)

6: Temple Meads - Cribbs Causeway (Route of current service 4, every 15 mins, double decker)

7: Temple Meads - Temple Meads (Temple Meads - Centre - Cotham - Redland - Downs - Clifton - then Jacobs Wells road, Anchor Road, Cannons Road and Explore Way then back to Temple Meads, every 15 mins, single decker)

Serving Hotwells Road and @Bristol will help "Tourists" more and better serve the new offices/flats of Cannon Marsh.

8: Temple Meads - Temple Meads (Reverse of route 7, every 15 mins, single decker)

Serving Hotwells Road and @Bristol will help "Tourists" more and better serve the new offices/flats of Cannon Marsh.

9: Bristol Parkway - Avonmouth (U.W.E - Cheswick - Lockleaze - Horfield - Westbury - Coombe Dingle [route of 508] - Lawrence Weston - Shirehampton - Avonmouth [route of 501] every 20 mins, single decker)

Trying to simplify the 18/501/502/508 into two services 9 and 19 whilst still maintaining links (but reducing dualing of some routes)

10-19
10: Southmead Hospital - Broad Quay (Route of former 25, every 15 mins, single decker)

11: Southmead Hospital - Broad Quay (Route of 77, every 30 mins, single decker)

12: Southmead Hospital - Severn Beach (route of 625, every 60 mins, single decker)

Possible slight route change in Little Stoke/Patchway to make journey times better.

13: Southmead Hospital - Wotton-under-Edge (route of 77 to Thornbury then Falfield and Charfield, every 60 mins, single decker)

Basically the northern part of the 77 but serving Charfield, So the 79 (Old 87) can be rerouted and then Wotton-under-Edge still maintains a link to Southmead Hospital.

14: Southmead Hospital - Chipping Sodbury (route of 82 but avoiding Cribbs Causeway, every 60 mins, single decker)

A much more simple/direct route, as there would be no need to serve Cribbs or Wotton-under-Edge.

15: Southmead Hospital - Keynsham (route of 17A, every 20 mins, single decker)

16: Southmead Hospital - Brislington Park & Ride (route of 506 to Barton Hill, then as 513/514 to Brislington then to the Park & Ride, every 20 mins, single decker)

17: Southmead Hospital - Long Ashton Park & Ride (route of 505, every 20 mins, single decker)

18: Southmead Hospital - Lyde Green Park & Ride (route of 18, every 20 mins, single decker)

19: Southmead Hospital - Portway Park & Ride (To Shirehampton Green as 18/501/502 then via Shirehampton Dursley Road to Park & Ride, every 20 mins, single decker)

Trying to simplify the 18/501/502/508 into two services 9 and 19 whilst still maintaining links (but reducing dualing of some routes)

20-29
20: Bristol Bus Station - Weston super Mare (As W1, every 30 mins, single decker)

X20: Bristol Bus Station - Weston super Mare (As X1, every 30 mins, double decker)

21: Bristol Bus Station - Nailsea (As X9, every 30 mins, single decker)

X21: Bristol Bus Station - Nailsea (As X8, every 30 mins, double decker)

22: Bristol Bus Station - Clevedon (Via Nailsea, as the old X8 and 355, Sunday evenings only, single decker)

X22: Bristol Bus Station - Clevedon (As X6, every 30 mins, double decker)

23: Bristol Bus Station - Portishead (Serving Pill, Sheepway, Portishead Docks, every 30 mins, single decker)

X23: Bristol Bus Station - Portishead (Express to Portishead, every 30 mins, double decker)

24: Broadmead - Bower Ashton (As 506, calling at Create, every 30 mins, single decker)

25: Broadmead - Bower Ashton (As 11, via Southville, every 30 mins, single decker)

26: Broadmead - Ashton Vale (As service 24, every 15 mins, single decker)

29: Bristol Airport - Cribbs Causeway (As service A2 and X5, every 60 mins, single decker)

30-39
31: Broadmead - Keynsham Temple - Broadmead (Temple Meads - Arnos Vale - St Annes - Broomhill - then onto Keynsham, every 20 mins, single decker)

Eastern part of service 1, providing St Annes with a more direct service than the 36 to the centre, also providing an onward link to Keynsham. Improving links to Temple Meads (With the new arena and other development)

32: Broadmead - Keynsham Wellsway - Broadmead (As service 57 to Stockwood, then as 636 to Keynsham, every 20 mins, single decker)

Maintaining a link to the centre from Brislington (Callington Road) and make up for reduced capacity on the 52 (old 2) to Stockwood.

33: Bristol Bus Station - Bath (As service 39, but running via Wellsway and the 178 loop, every 60 mins, single decker)

34: Bristol Bus Station - Bath (As service 38, every 60 mins, single decker)

X34: Bristol Bus Station - Bath (As service X39, every 15 mins, double decker)

Making the service limited stop, to try and compete further with the train for end to end traffic.

36: Bristol Bus Station - Radstock (As 178 but avoiding Timsbury, every 120 mins, single decker)

37: Bristol Bus Station - Midsomer Norton (As 668, every 120 mins, single decker)

39: Bristol Airport - Bath (As A4, every 60 mins, single decker)

40-49
40: Broad Quay - Staple Hill (As 7, every 20 mins, double decker)

41: Broad Quay - Kingswood (As 6, every 20 mins, double decker)

42: Bristol Bus Station - Tormarton (As 35 to Kingswood then as 634, every 180 mins, single decker)

43: Bristol Bus Station - Marshfield (As 35, every 180 mins, single decker)

44: Broad Quay - Bitton (As service 43, every 20 mins, double decker)

45: Broad Quay - Bitton (As service 42, every 20 mins, double decker)

46: Broad Quay - Cadbury Heath (As service 45, every 20 mins, double decker)

47: Broad Quay - Cadbury Heath (As service 44, every 20 mins, double decker)

48: Bristol Bus Station - Bath (As service 37, every 30 mins, single decker)

49: Cribbs Causeway - Bath (As service 319 but calling Via Charlton Hayes and from Kingswood serving Hanham and Longwell Green as 37, every 30 mins, single decker)

50-59
50: Broadmead - Hengrove (As service 50, every 20 mins, double decker)

51: Broadmead - Hengrove (As service 51, every 20 mins, double decker)

52: Broadmead - Stockwood (As service 2, every 20 mins, single decker)

53: Broadmead - Stockwood (As old service 55 direct up Wells Road, every 20 mins, single decker)

54: Bristol Bus Station - Wells (Via Chew Magna, every 120 mins, single decker)

55: Bristol Bus Station - Wells (As service 376, every 60 mins, single decker)

X55: Bristol Bus Station - Street (As service 376, every 60 mins, single decker)

56: Bristol Bus Station - Wells (Via Midsomer Norton, as service 379 and 376, every 60 mins, single decker)

59: Keynsham - Hengrove (As service 637 and then 515, every 60 mins, single decker)

60-69
60: Broad Quay - U.W.E (As service 13 and 48A, every 15 mins, double decker)

X60: Broad Quay - U.W.E (As service X14/X74, every 15 mins, double decker)

61: Broad Quay - U.W.E (As service 24 to Eastville then Stapleton and Frenchay, every 15 mins, double decker)

62: Bristol Bus Station - Dursley (As service 626, but continuing direct to Dursley, 2 trips a day, single decker)

63: Bristol Bus Station - Chipping Sodbury (As service 46 to Winterbourne then as X46 to Chipping Sodbury, every 30 mins, single decker)

X63: Bristol Bus Station - Chipping Sodbury (As service X46 to Winterbourne then as 46 to Chipping Sodbury, every 60 min, double decker)

To provide the main population centres of Chipping Sodbury, Yate, Coalpit Heath, Frampton Cotterell and Winterbourne with a regular express service.

64: Bristol Bus Station - Yate (As service 47 but serving Oldbury Court, every 30 mins, single decker)

65: Broad Quay - Emersons Green (As service 48 but serving Lyde Green, every 15 mins, double decker)

66: Broad Quay - Emersons Green (As service 49, every 15 mins, double decker)

67: Bristol Bus Station - Yate (As service X49, every 30 mins, single decker)

69: Cribbs Causeway - Kingswood (As service X5 and X18 every 60 mins, single decker)

70-79
70: Temple Meads - U.W.E (As 71, every 12 mins, double decker)

71: Temple Meads - U.W.E (As 70, every 12 mins, double decker)

72: Temple Meads - U.W.E (As 70 to The Arches then Redland and Henleaze, every 12 mins, double decker)

To maintain a Redland to U.W.E link and maintain a frequent service to Henleaze. As well as new Redland - Henleaze link

73: Temple Meads - Cribbs Causeway (As 76 but avoiding Southmead, every 15 mins, double decker)

Basically the old 77 to provide a quicker service to/from Henbury.

74: Temple Meads - Cribbs Causeway (As 76 to Southmead then via Charlton Road, Fishpool to Cribbs Causeway, every 15 mins, double decker)

75: Temple Meads - Cribbs Causeway (As 75, every 15 mins, double decker)

Patchway will have more buses as the 76 will additional serve that area.

76: Temple Meads - Cribbs Causeway (As 73 then calling at Aztec West using bus link to Patchway and onto Cribbs, every 15 mins, double decker)

To create a regular link to Aztec West and without increasing the route length.

X76: Temple Meads - Cribbs Causeway (Express version of X76, every 30 mins, single decker)

77: Bristol Bus Station - Thornbury (As service 78 to Horfield, then Bristol Parkway, Bradley Stoke and onwards to Thornbury, every 60 mins, single decker)

78: Bristol Bus Station - Thornbury (As service 78, every 60 mins, single decker)

X78: Bristol Bus Station - Dursley (As service 79 to Thornbury then as 88 to Dursley, every 120 mins, single decker)

79: Cribbs Causeway - Dursley (As service 87, every 120 mins, single decker)

80-89
80: Yate - Keynsham (As service 86 to Kingswood then onward to Keynsham, every 120 mins, single decker)

81: Yate - Bath (As 620, every 120 mins, single decker)

82: Yate - Malmesbury (As 41, every 120 mins, single decker)

83: Yate - Tetbury (As 27/622, every 120 mins, single decker)

84: Yate - Dursley (As 86, every 120 mins, single decker)

85: Yate - Wotton-under-Edge (As 82, 84, every 60 mins, single decker)

86: Yate - Sharpness (As 88/201, 2 trips daily, single decker)

87: Yate - Thornbury (As 622, every 120 mins, single decker)

88: Yate - Cribbs Causeway (As 82, every 60 mins, single decker)

89: Yate - Westbury Village (serving new North Bristol developments, every 60 mins, single decker)

To maintain Yate - Cribbs link and allow faster links to Southmead Hospital

90-99
90: Bristol Bus Station - Bristol Airport (As 21/22 to Highridge, then Dundry, Winford, Felton and on to Bristol Airport, every 120 mins, single decker)

X90: Bristol Bus Station - Bristol Airport (As A1, every 10 mins, single decker)

91: Broadmead - Hengrove (As 52, every 30 mins, single decker)

92: Broadmead - Hengrove (As 75, every 12 mins, double decker)

93: Broadmead - Hengrove (As 76, every 12 mins, double decker)

94: Broadmead - Hengrove (As 90 and 36, every 12 mins, single decker)

To make up for losing the 36 and to possibly remove the need for the 511 and 512.

95: Broadmead - Hengrove (As 90, every 12 mins, single decker)

99: Hengrove - Bower Ashton (Via Hengrove Park, Bedminster Down and Ashton Gate, every 60 mins, single decker)

100+
125: Weston-super-Mare - Wells (As service 26/126, but serving Wookey Hole, every 60 mins, single decker)

126: Weston-super-Mare - West Harptree (As 135/A2, every 120 mins, single decker)

127: Weston-super-Mare - Bristol Airport (As A2, every 120 mins, single decker)

128: Weston-super-Mare - Nailsea (As 850, every 60 mins, single decker)

129: Weston-super-Mare - Cribbs Causeway (As X5, every 60 mins, single decker)

130: Bath - Wells (As service 173, every 60 mins, single decker)

131: Bath - Wells (As service 174, every 60 mins, single decker)

132: Bath - Radstock (As service 179, avoiding Writhlington, every 60 mins, single decker)

133: Bath - Midsomer Norton (As service 178, but serving Writhlington, every 60 mins, single decker)

138: Bath - East Harptree (Via Corston and Stanton Wick, every 120 mins, single decker)

139: Bath - Bristol Airport (Via Corston and Chew Magna, every 120 mins, single decker)

Still more to follow when I have gone through the remaining services!
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hopefully resolves some issues TGW had
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A few more bits.

Depot wise. I have come up with the following ...

Avonmouth (Current Wessex depot)
Bath (Current First depot)
Hengrove (Current First depot)
Lawrence Hill (Current First depot)
Westerleigh (South of Yate, new depot)
Weston-super-Mare (Current First depot)

I don't really see the need for Firsts' Wells depot or Wessexs' Keynsham depot.
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[THarris123]

Here we go again - i'll have a look through and criticise later
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I'm going to go through this on the weekend.

At a glance - there are still some very stupid routes, some of which will never get enough demand to run the service without a stinking great loss.

There are many ideas of route number changes - some are good - the current 42-X49 and 35-39 route numbers need to be split up a bit, but that's it really. All other services in Bristol and beyond are numbered fine at the moment especially when your thinking of swapping the 70 and 71 around - that will lose a lot of custom. I know your justification behind the numbering - it's starting from a blank canvas - but in all honesty, unless you're going to travel back in time to when buses were first introduced and changed the numbers then, it won't work and you'll lose a lot of custom on practically all routes. Some routes can be renumbered with little fuss, but others like 376 can't. Why do you think they backed down on the idea of renumbering 376 to 53?

The depots - it's a very stupid idea to close down Wells - the buses won't be going in the right direction for the demand (e.g. 376 has greater passenger demand in the evening from Bristol to Wells, not from Wells to Bristol). This means there will have to be a lot of dead running on country services. I do like the idea of having a depot in North Bristol though.

 

[freetoview33]

Like when the 54 became the 2. People moaned, said it was pointless but they got used to it.

 

[carlberry]

Depot wise. I have come up with the following ...

Avonmouth (Current Wessex depot)
Bath (Current First depot)
Hengrove (Current First depot)
Lawrence Hill (Current First depot)
Westerleigh (South of Yate, new depot)
Weston-super-Mare (Current First depot)

I don't really see the need for Firsts' Wells depot or Wessexs' Keynsham depot.
Muller Road would be closed fully also.

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Wells is needed (or a depot is needed in Glastonbury or Street otherwise) because of the time taken to run in from any other depot (with the current roads)).
I cant see why Westerleigh is such a useful place for a depot, especially if you're saying that Keynsham isnt. Westerleigh is difficult to get to (I believe that Eurotaxis moved to Yate for this reason) and as the time to run to other depots isnt great it's unlikely to save anything. Yate Sodbury did have an outstation at one point but it was never that large.

Muller Road is already closed, it's not used for operating it's just a scrap yard.
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Like when the 54 became the 2. People moaned, said it was pointless but they got used to it.

Which really is the point, it achieved nothing and annoyed the customers! (I can’t agree that it would actually result in a real dip in custom as most customers don’t have a choice but I think the previous two reasons should be enough). For people who don’t use buses very often it’s just another reason they try not to as ‘they keep on changing them’ and ‘the stop shows a different number to the bus’ and ‘when I asked somebody they said it was the old number’.

An example is Wessex. Did they think that a new number would be a way of marketing a service up Whiteladies Road, or did they decide to just copy the number that existed already, that people had got used to and appeared on all the bus stops and how to get here leaflets that anybody had produced.

Changing the numbers for services really has to be done for a proper reason (complete network relaunch with new numbers like Bournemouth or moving to names like Trent), not just because somebody thinks it’ll look better on paper.

 

[freetoview33]

In theory having all services along one corridor numbered in one range for example 1-10 serving Whiteladies and 70's serving Gloucester road. And also getting rid of A's example 17A. And X (express services) actually being an express version of something.

 

[THarris123]

I have slightly edited things, taking into account recent developments but also looking forward to new North Bristol developments and metrobus (After looking through the detailed planning applications, yes a little too much free time) I want to have a future proof idea that shouldn't need major changes for a while.

And as before much more detailed excel doc available on request

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1: Temple Meads - Cribbs Causeway (Route of current service 1, every 15 mins, double decker)

Should be same as 1 - every 10 mins and going to Broomhill - there are quite a few cross city passengers

X1: Bristol Bus Station - Chepstow (Basically reverting to the old X14, serving Clifton, Westbury and Cribbs Causeway, every 60 mins, single decker)

No particular need for a service such as this

2: Temple Meads - Cribbs Causeway (Route of current service 1 as far as Westbury Village, then route of service 508 to Airbus, Charlton Road, then New Charlton, [Filton airfield] to Cribbs Causeway, every 15 mins, double decker)

Probably too frequent, but fairly good idea - numbering won't work

X2: Bristol Bus Station - Caldicot (Basically reverting to the old X14, serving Clifton, Westbury, New Charlton and Cribbs Causeway, every 60 mins, single decker)

No particular need for a service such as this
Caldicot is similar size to Chepstow, but lacks good links, but with proposed M4, M48, M49 changes access should get better.

3: Temple Meads - Severn Beach (Route of current service 624, 2 trips in each direction per day, single decker)
Why would you have a service which goes twice a day numbered 3? 624 is much better

To ensure Hallen and Compton Greenfield maintains a service as well as Severn beach to the centre.

4: Temple Meads - Cribbs Causeway (Route of current service 2, every 15 mins, double decker)

Pointless numbering - too infrequent and should go to Stockwood for Cross city passengers

5: Temple Meads - Cribbs Causeway (Route of current service 3, every 15 mins, double decker)

Fine, but numbering daft

6: Temple Meads - Cribbs Causeway (Route of current service 4, every 15 mins, double decker)

Fine, but numbering daft

7: Temple Meads - Temple Meads (Temple Meads - Centre - Cotham - Redland - Downs - Clifton - then Jacobs Wells road, Anchor Road, Cannons Road and Explore Way then back to Temple Meads, every 15 mins, single decker)

Serving Hotwells Road and @Bristol will help "Tourists" more and better serve the new offices/flats of Cannon Marsh.

Fairly good idea, but bad numbering - isn't this mostly the 8/9 - why renumber if so?

8: Temple Meads - Temple Meads (Reverse of route 7, every 15 mins, single decker)

Serving Hotwells Road and @Bristol will help "Tourists" more and better serve the new offices/flats of Cannon Marsh.

Fairly good idea, but bad numbering - isn't this mostly the 8/9 - why renumber if so?

9: Bristol Parkway - Avonmouth (U.W.E - Cheswick - Lockleaze - Horfield - Westbury - Coombe Dingle [route of 508] - Lawrence Weston - Shirehampton - Avonmouth [route of 501] every 20 mins, single decker)

Trying to simplify the 18/501/502/508 into two services 9 and 19 whilst still maintaining links (but reducing dualing of some routes)

Good idea to reduce duplicates, but numbering poor and don't think it should be every 20 mins

10-19
10: Southmead Hospital - Broad Quay (Route of former 25, every 15 mins, single decker)

Fine, but would number it 25

11: Southmead Hospital - Broad Quay (Route of 77, every 30 mins, single decker)

Fine, but would keep it in line with the 70 range and keep it as going to Thornbury

12: Southmead Hospital - Severn Beach (route of 625, every 60 mins, single decker)

Fine, but numbering again

Possible slight route change in Little Stoke/Patchway to make journey times better.

13: Southmead Hospital - Wotton-under-Edge (route of 77 to Thornbury then Falfield and Charfield, every 60 mins, single decker)

Basically the northern part of the 77 but serving Charfield, So the 79 (Old 87) can be rerouted and then Wotton-under-Edge still maintains a link to Southmead Hospital.

Maybe too frequent, but ok

14: Southmead Hospital - Chipping Sodbury (route of 82 but avoiding Cribbs Causeway, every 60 mins, single decker)

Shouldn't avoid Cribbs causeway - a lot of 82 traffic is there. Also wouldn't renumber

A much more simple/direct route, as there would be no need to serve Cribbs or Wotton-under-Edge.

15: Southmead Hospital - Keynsham (route of 17A, every 20 mins, single decker)

Too frequent and would renumber as 16

16: Southmead Hospital - Brislington Park & Ride (route of 506 to Barton Hill, then as 513/514 to Brislington then to the Park & Ride, every 20 mins, single decker)

Too frequent and poor numbering, but good idea

17: Southmead Hospital - Long Ashton Park & Ride (route of 505, every 20 mins, single decker)

Too frequent and poor numbering, but good idea

18: Southmead Hospital - Lyde Green Park & Ride (route of 18, every 20 mins, single decker)

Too frequent and poor numbering, but good idea

19: Southmead Hospital - Portway Park & Ride (To Shirehampton Green as 18/501/502 then via Shirehampton Dursley Road to Park & Ride, every 20 mins, single decker)

Trying to simplify the 18/501/502/508 into two services 9 and 19 whilst still maintaining links (but reducing dualing of some routes)

Good idea to reduce duplicates, but numbering poor and don't think it should be every 20 mins

20-29
20: Bristol Bus Station - Weston super Mare (As W1, every 30 mins, single decker)

Nice idea, but should be decker really and numbering is poor - should be something like 60

X20: Bristol Bus Station - Weston super Mare (As X1, every 30 mins, double decker)

Not frequent enough and poor numbering

21: Bristol Bus Station - Nailsea (As X9, every 30 mins, single decker)

Should be numbered something like 61

X21: Bristol Bus Station - Nailsea (As X8, every 30 mins, double decker)

Should be numbered something like X61

22: Bristol Bus Station - Clevedon (Via Nailsea, as the old X8 and 355, Sunday evenings only, single decker)

Should be running more often throughout the week - number 62

X22: Bristol Bus Station - Clevedon (As X6, every 30 mins, double decker)

Number X62

23: Bristol Bus Station - Portishead (Serving Pill, Sheepway, Portishead Docks, every 30 mins, single decker)

Number 63

X23: Bristol Bus Station - Portishead (Express to Portishead, every 30 mins, double decker)

Number X63

24: Broadmead - Bower Ashton (As 506, calling at Create, every 30 mins, single decker)

Numbering poor

25: Broadmead - Bower Ashton (As 11, via Southville, every 30 mins, single decker)

Numbering poor

26: Broadmead - Ashton Vale (As service 24, every 15 mins, single decker)

Needs to be every 10 mins and should be all the way to Southmead as current 24. Numbering poor

29: Bristol Airport - Cribbs Causeway (As service A2 and X5, every 60 mins, single decker)

Nice idea, but don't know what I'd number this as

30-39
31: Broadmead - Keynsham Temple - Broadmead (Temple Meads - Arnos Vale - St Annes - Broomhill - then onto Keynsham, every 20 mins, single decker)

Don't have to explain this again - the section to Broomhill as 1 should be left alone. Maybe a service such as this, but could only justify every 2 hours, good numbering

Eastern part of service 1, providing St Annes with a more direct service than the 36 to the centre, also providing an onward link to Keynsham. Improving links to Temple Meads (With the new arena and other development)

32: Broadmead - Keynsham Wellsway - Broadmead (As service 57 to Stockwood, then as 636 to Keynsham, every 20 mins, single decker)

Maintaining a link to the centre from Brislington (Callington Road) and make up for reduced capacity on the 52 (old 2) to Stockwood.

Same explanation as 31

33: Bristol Bus Station - Bath (As service 39, but running via Wellsway and the 178 loop, every 60 mins, single decker)

Fine

34: Bristol Bus Station - Bath (As service 38, every 60 mins, single decker)

Should be numbered 38 and should be every 30 mins with double decker

X34: Bristol Bus Station - Bath (As service X39, every 15 mins, double decker)

Should remain as X39 and be every 10 mins

Making the service limited stop, to try and compete further with the train for end to end traffic.

36: Bristol Bus Station - Radstock (As 178 but avoiding Timsbury, every 120 mins, single decker)

Daft idea to avoid Timsbury - 178 should be left alone, but numbering not a bad idea

37: Bristol Bus Station - Midsomer Norton (As 668, every 120 mins, single decker)

Poor idea - Somerbus is looking to drop 668 because of complete lack in demand, not worth it when there are so many other options

39: Bristol Airport - Bath (As A4, every 60 mins, single decker)

Should be every 30 mins and renumbered as something like 34

40-49
40: Broad Quay - Staple Hill (As 7, every 20 mins, double decker)

Fine

41: Broad Quay - Kingswood (As 6, every 20 mins, double decker)

Fine

42: Bristol Bus Station - Tormarton (As 35 to Kingswood then as 634, every 180 mins, single decker)

Poor numbering - should be something like 47

43: Bristol Bus Station - Marshfield (As 35, every 180 mins, single decker)

Poor numbering - should be something like X47

44: Broad Quay - Bitton (As service 43, every 20 mins, double decker)

Poor numbering - should be 43

45: Broad Quay - Bitton (As service 42, every 20 mins, double decker)

Should be 42

46: Broad Quay - Cadbury Heath (As service 45, every 20 mins, double decker)

Should be 45

47: Broad Quay - Cadbury Heath (As service 44, every 20 mins, double decker)

Should be 44

48: Bristol Bus Station - Bath (As service 37, every 30 mins, single decker)

Should be numbered as 37 - as its a Bristol to Bath service

49: Cribbs Causeway - Bath (As service 319 but calling Via Charlton Hayes and from Kingswood serving Hanham and Longwell Green as 37, every 30 mins, single decker)

Should be numbered under 30 range

50-59
50: Broadmead - Hengrove (As service 50, every 20 mins, double decker)

Fine

51: Broadmead - Hengrove (As service 51, every 20 mins, double decker)

Fine

52: Broadmead - Stockwood (As service 2, every 20 mins, single decker)

Might be a good idea - have service 2 every 20 mins Cribbs-Stockwood and then have it split at Centre the other 20 mins

53: Broadmead - Stockwood (As old service 55 direct up Wells Road, every 20 mins, single decker)

Nice idea, but would renumber as 55

54: Bristol Bus Station - Wells (Via Chew Magna, every 120 mins, single decker)

Fine

55: Bristol Bus Station - Wells (As service 376, every 60 mins, single decker)

Should be numbered differently - this should be X version

X55: Bristol Bus Station - Street (As service 376, every 60 mins, single decker)

Should be numbered differently

56: Bristol Bus Station - Wells (Via Midsomer Norton, as service 379 and 376, every 60 mins, single decker)

Pointless service - not enough demand from Norton-Wells if 174 and 173 running still, but 379 bit should work

59: Keynsham - Hengrove (As service 637 and then 515, every 60 mins, single decker)

Fine

60-69
60: Broad Quay - U.W.E (As service 13 and 48A, every 15 mins, double decker)

Not frequent enough

X60: Broad Quay - U.W.E (As service X14/X74, every 15 mins, double decker)

Not frequent enough

61: Broad Quay - U.W.E (As service 24 to Eastville then Stapleton and Frenchay, every 15 mins, double decker)

Maybe too frequent

62: Bristol Bus Station - Dursley (As service 626, but continuing direct to Dursley, 2 trips a day, single decker)

Should be numbered as something higher as so infrequent - think 626 should remain

63: Bristol Bus Station - Chipping Sodbury (As service 46 to Winterbourne then as X46 to Chipping Sodbury, every 30 mins, single decker)

Should be only to Yate

X63: Bristol Bus Station - Chipping Sodbury (As service X46 to Winterbourne then as 46 to Chipping Sodbury, every 60 min, double decker)

Should be only to Yate

To provide the main population centres of Chipping Sodbury, Yate, Coalpit Heath, Frampton Cotterell and Winterbourne with a regular express service.

64: Bristol Bus Station - Yate (As service 47 but serving Oldbury Court, every 30 mins, single decker)

Shouldn't change 47 route

65: Broad Quay - Emersons Green (As service 48 but serving Lyde Green, every 15 mins, double decker)

Not frequent enough

66: Broad Quay - Emersons Green (As service 49, every 15 mins, double decker)

Not frequent enough

67: Bristol Bus Station - Yate (As service X49, every 30 mins, single decker)

Fine

69: Cribbs Causeway - Kingswood (As service X5 and X18 every 60 mins, single decker)

Is there demand for this?

70-79
70: Temple Meads - U.W.E (As 71, every 12 mins, double decker)

Should be every 10 mins and should be 71

71: Temple Meads - U.W.E (As 70, every 12 mins, double decker)

Should be every 10 mins and should be 70

72: Temple Meads - U.W.E (As 70 to The Arches then Redland and Henleaze, every 12 mins, double decker)

Fine, but maybe too frequent

To maintain a Redland to U.W.E link and maintain a frequent service to Henleaze. As well as new Redland - Henleaze link

73: Temple Meads - Cribbs Causeway (As 76 but avoiding Southmead, every 15 mins, double decker)

Should be every 10 mins, should be numbered as 76 and should serve Southmead - why not introduce the old 77 from Centre to Cribbs as 74?

Basically the old 77 to provide a quicker service to/from Henbury.

74: Temple Meads - Cribbs Causeway (As 76 to Southmead then via Charlton Road, Fishpool to Cribbs Causeway, every 15 mins, double decker)

76 should remain as 76, but maybe do a split similar to 2 - have every 20 mins Cribbs to Hengrove, then every 20 mins Cribbs to Centre and Centre to Hengrove

75: Temple Meads - Cribbs Causeway (As 75, every 15 mins, double decker)

Should remain at current frequency, but maybe split the same way as 76

Patchway will have more buses as the 76 will additional serve that area.

76: Temple Meads - Cribbs Causeway (As 73 then calling at Aztec West using bus link to Patchway and onto Cribbs, every 15 mins, double decker)

Nice idea about route, but should be more frequent and renumber as 73 - why renumber?

To create a regular link to Aztec West and without increasing the route length.

X76: Temple Meads - Cribbs Causeway (Express version of X76, every 30 mins, single decker)

Do you mean express version of 76. Fine if so.

77: Bristol Bus Station - Thornbury (As service 78 to Horfield, then Bristol Parkway, Bradley Stoke and onwards to Thornbury, every 60 mins, single decker)

78 should be kept as is with current number

78: Bristol Bus Station - Thornbury (As service 78, every 60 mins, single decker)

Should be every 30 mins, possibly 20

X78: Bristol Bus Station - Dursley (As service 79 to Thornbury then as 88 to Dursley, every 120 mins, single decker)

Fine

79: Cribbs Causeway - Dursley (As service 87, every 120 mins, single decker)

Fine

80-89
80: Yate - Keynsham (As service 86 to Kingswood then onward to Keynsham, every 120 mins, single decker)

Is there demand to Keynsham other than that fine

81: Yate - Bath (As 620, every 120 mins, single decker)

81 should be 81 and 620 should be something like 89

82: Yate - Malmesbury (As 41, every 120 mins, single decker)

Renumber, but fine

83: Yate - Tetbury (As 27/622, every 120 mins, single decker)

Renumber but fine

84: Yate - Dursley (As 86, every 120 mins, single decker)

Should be 86

85: Yate - Wotton-under-Edge (As 82, 84, every 60 mins, single decker)

Fine, but maybe renumber as 84

86: Yate - Sharpness (As 88/201, 2 trips daily, single decker)

Should be 88

87: Yate - Thornbury (As 622, every 120 mins, single decker)

Fine

88: Yate - Cribbs Causeway (As 82, every 60 mins, single decker)

82 should remain as 82

89: Yate - Westbury Village (serving new North Bristol developments, every 60 mins, single decker)

Fine

To maintain Yate - Cribbs link and allow faster links to Southmead Hospital

90-99
90: Bristol Bus Station - Bristol Airport (As 21/22 to Highridge, then Dundry, Winford, Felton and on to Bristol Airport, every 120 mins, single decker)

Bad numbering, but fine other than that

X90: Bristol Bus Station - Bristol Airport (As A1, every 10 mins, single decker)

Should be incorporated into Bristol network agree, but not as X90 (different number)

91: Broadmead - Hengrove (As 52, every 30 mins, single decker)

Too frequent

92: Broadmead - Hengrove (As 75, every 12 mins, double decker)

If 75 is split - this should be every 20 mins and current 75 should be every 20 mins between Cribbs and Hengrove

93: Broadmead - Hengrove (As 76, every 12 mins, double decker)

If 76 is split - this should be every 20 mins and current 76 should be every 20 mins between Cribbs and Hengrove

94: Broadmead - Hengrove (As 90 and 36, every 12 mins, single decker)

Good idea, but 36 needs to be kept and should be included in 90 range

To make up for losing the 36 and to possibly remove the need for the 511 and 512.

95: Broadmead - Hengrove (As 90, every 12 mins, single decker)

Should be every 10 mins and numbered as current 90 - no need to change it

99: Hengrove - Bower Ashton (Via Hengrove Park, Bedminster Down and Ashton Gate, every 60 mins, single decker)

Fine

100+
125: Weston-super-Mare - Wells (As service 26/126, but serving Wookey Hole, every 60 mins, single decker)

Stupid to renumber as 126, but if serving Wookey - should be 125 every 60 mins (which should miss out Locking and run more express into Weston) and 126 (current 126) every 60 mins

126: Weston-super-Mare - West Harptree (As 135/A2, every 120 mins, single decker)

Why go to the middle of nowhere - would be very little demand - should be all the way to Bath and should be renumbered as something like 172

127: Weston-super-Mare - Bristol Airport (As A2, every 120 mins, single decker)

Should be hourly and renumbered

128: Weston-super-Mare - Nailsea (As 850, every 60 mins, single decker)

Should be renumbered

129: Weston-super-Mare - Cribbs Causeway (As X5, every 60 mins, single decker)

Fine

130: Bath - Wells (As service 173, every 60 mins, single decker)

Not too sure about numbering

131: Bath - Wells (As service 174, every 60 mins, single decker)

Not too sure about numbering and should miss out Dulcote and serve MSN

132: Bath - Radstock (As service 179, avoiding Writhlington, every 60 mins, single decker)

Frequency fine, but bad idea to avoid Writhlington

133: Bath - Midsomer Norton (As service 178, but serving Writhlington, every 60 mins, single decker)

Should be as current 178 all the way to Bristol

138: Bath - East Harptree (Via Corston and Stanton Wick, every 120 mins, single decker)

Why to the middle of nowhere - run all the way to Weston

139: Bath - Bristol Airport (Via Corston and Chew Magna, every 120 mins, single decker)

Don't think there would be any demand - especially with A4 in place

Still more to follow when I have gone through the remaining services!
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hopefully resolves some issues TGW had
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A few more bits.

Depot wise. I have come up with the following ...

Avonmouth (Current Wessex depot)
Bath (Current First depot)
Hengrove (Current First depot)
Lawrence Hill (Current First depot)
Westerleigh (South of Yate, new depot)
Weston-super-Mare (Current First depot)

I don't really see the need for Firsts' Wells depot or Wessexs' Keynsham depot.
Muller Road would be closed fully also.

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Please see inserted comments in bold. Think Wells depot should remain, as well as a Keynsham depot.

 

[freetoview33]

I think you are missing the point slightly!
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60's used to be Emerson Green way (X67,462)
20's west way (21 and 22)
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I am also working on a 5 and a half foot square hand drawn map too. Which I will take a pic of
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Can people give me a list of the 10 most important links which would be no more.

 

[THarris123]

I think you are missing the point slightly!
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60's used to be Emerson Green way (X67,462)
20's west way (21 and 22)
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I am also working on a 5 and a half foot square hand drawn map too. Which I will take a pic of
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Can people give me a list of the 10 most important links which would be no more.

What point are you trying to make then?

The point i'm trying to make is that there are quite a few numbering issues - the 20s shouldn't be renumbered under 60s, you're right, but they should be renumbered under something like 140s.

A lot of the links in your plan are maintained, but you have cleared out practically all cross city links, which are fairly important - 75/76 are good examples - if I get on at Centre, the bus is half full and even at Bedminster it is usually third full.

 

[freetoview33]

What point are you trying to make then?

The point i'm trying to make is that there are quite a few numbering issues - the 20s shouldn't be renumbered under 60s, you're right, but they should be renumbered under something like 140s.

A lot of the links in your plan are maintained, but you have cleared out practically all cross city links, which are fairly important - 75/76 are good examples - if I get on at Centre, the bus is half full and even at Bedminster it is usually third full.

No current 20's service is renumbered under 60's. Surely it is more simple to have services going in a certain direction to be numbered the same!

But then again with metrobus the X90 with basically be a faster version of the 73. and that isn't confusing in the slightest is it!

I was looking at comments that were made back when First wanted to split the 75 and 76.

A few people moaned (But then again a small proportion will moan whatever the change is, even if a service is retimed by a few mins)

A few people equally supported the split (As it would make for more reliable trips, and the fact the connection could still be made from same stop, and the addition of buses calling at Temple Meads)

The 75/76 how it is will never be on time. It is impossible, just see how much the PVR has gone up over the last 10 years. (Not including the 76 extension to Cribbs)

Traffic at Cribbs will make people in Withywood suffer! It seems mad that most other services have been split. A lot of which were successful, When the 41 and 43 were split. Yes the 20/50 split wasn't successful for the Northern half. But the Southern half benefited. Another poor one was the 57 being split, but there were other issues there such as Portway P&R

 

[THarris123]

No current 20's service is renumbered under 60's. Surely it is more simple to have services going in a certain direction to be numbered the same!

But then again with metrobus the X90 with basically be a faster version of the 73. and that isn't confusing in the slightest is it!

I was looking at comments that were made back when First wanted to split the 75 and 76.

A few people moaned (But then again a small proportion will moan whatever the change is, even if a service is retimed by a few mins)

A few people equally supported the split (As it would make for more reliable trips, and the fact the connection could still be made from same stop, and the addition of buses calling at Temple Meads)

The 75/76 how it is will never be on time. It is impossible, just see how much the PVR has gone up over the last 10 years. (Not including the 76 extension to Cribbs)

Traffic at Cribbs will make people in Withywood suffer! It seems mad that most other services have been split. A lot of which were successful, When the 41 and 43 were split. Yes the 20/50 split wasn't successful for the Northern half. But the Southern half benefited. Another poor one was the 57 being split, but there were other issues there such as Portway P&R

Think we're getting our knickers in a twist here. I originally suggested that most of your services numbered under the 20 series should be renumbered under something like 60s - i'm wrong as the 60 batch is near enough numbered fine - what I should have said is that your 20 range should be renumbered as something else - possibly 140s.

I now use the 24 and 75/76 on a daily basis - and can tell you that there are buses that run on time, not enough of course, but still some. I do agree with the point that if a bus is late at Cribbs it will make the southern end later, hence why I personally think that they should be partially split. I think that all the cross city routes should be every 20 mins completely cross city and then split into two at the centre the other 20 mins. That would then vastly improve the reliability and maintain a cross city link for those passengers that need it. They shouldn't be completely split, as there would be uproar as well as a fall in demand and they can't be kept as they are due to reliability issues.

 

[freetoview33]

Also there is a clear demand for additional services to South Wales. 3000 people commute daily from Monmouthshire (2012 figures) with the number ever increasing.

Monmouthshire Council and Network Rail do see a gap for at least a peak hour service from Lydney to Bristol.

But the rail station with some of the largest commuters into Bristol is Severn Tunnel Junction (In Caldicot) also with capacity on STJ - BTM unlikely to increase anytime soon.

So a new bus service could surely fill a gap!
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Think we're getting our knickers in a twist here. I originally suggested that most of your services numbered under the 20 series should be renumbered under something like 60s - i'm wrong as the 60 batch is near enough numbered fine - what I should have said is that your 20 range should be renumbered as something else - possibly 140s.

I now use the 24 and 75/76 on a daily basis - and can tell you that there are buses that run on time, not enough of course, but still some. I do agree with the point that if a bus is late at Cribbs it will make the southern end later, hence why I personally think that they should be partially split. I think that all the cross city routes should be every 20 mins completely cross city and then split into two at the centre the other 20 mins. That would then vastly improve the reliability and maintain a cross city link for those passengers that need it. They shouldn't be completely split, as there would be uproar as well as a fall in demand and they can't be kept as they are due to reliability issues.

How do you know if a service is on time though! Just because there is a service due at lets say 16:30 and a bus turns up then it doesn't mean it's not a previous one delayed. (I still get it quite often on the 4, where the bus that turns up at 14:24 is actually the 14:04 not 14:24. With the 14:24 running about 10 mins late)

 

[freetoview33]

My plan is still evolving. although I stick with my plans for 6 park & rides in Bristol!

 

[swifty]

32: Broadmead - Keynsham Wellsway - Broadmead (As service 57 to Stockwood, then as 636 to Keynsham, every 20 mins, single decker)

Maintaining a link to the centre from Brislington (Callington Road) and make up for reduced capacity on the 52 (old 2) to Stockwood.

Sorry to drag up such an old topic, but something happened the other morning which reminded me of this thread and why ideas like this won't work, especially without local knowledge!

If you know Stockwood Hill you'll know it is unsuitable for heavy vehicles and also has a 6ft width restriction, fair enough to send a Slimline Solo down there once a day a few times a week. But the plan as above here is to send a single decker down there every 20 minutes, which judging by what happened on Friday morning would lead to chaos.

A queue had built up at the Keynsham end with a long wait and then a stream of cars reversing back down the hill with lots of shunting and maneuvering down Stockwood Vale, until eventually a Eurotaxis coach poked around the corner from Stockwood Hill to meet a stream of cars blocking its way! Again much maneuvering and shunting and it finally managed to squeeze a bit further along until it couldn't get any further. By this point all the cars had followed it down and blocked any one from going up. What usually would take about 2 minutes turned into 15/20 minutes in the end, how can you propose for that every 20 minutes for at least 5 out of 7 days?!

 

[D6975]

40: Broad Quay - Staple Hill (As 7, every 20 mins, double decker)

41: Broad Quay - Kingswood (As 6, every 20 mins, double decker)

65: Broad Quay - Emersons Green (As service 48 but serving Lyde Green, every 15 mins, double decker)

66: Broad Quay - Emersons Green (As service 49, every 15 mins, double decker)

As a regular 6/7 user I would put these 2 back to their old routes.

In the past few years the 6 and 7 have gone from 15 min frequency to 20 min and now to 30 min, a quite substantial reduction in frequency. The absolutely insane move to reroute through Broadmead rather than continue to run via Baldwin St, Castle Park, Broadweir and Old Market needs to be reversed, Deliberately re-routing through the bottleneck by McDonalds in Broadmead was complete madness. Peak journey time Centre-Turnpike increased by 15 mins as a result of it, the increase eventually resulted in First having to re-write the bus diagrams to give more reliability. A terminating 6 now goes back as the 7 on the departure behind the 6 that it used to work back on.

The 48 and 49 now only run every 30 mins thanks to First's obsession with sending far too many services to UWE. The introduction of the 48A, stealing buses from the 48/9s has been a disastrous move for the residents of the Staple Hill and Downend areas. A return to the 15 min frequency that we had pre 48A would be most welcome.

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

Sorry to drag up such an old topic, but something happened the other morning which reminded me of this thread and why ideas like this won't work, especially without local knowledge!

If you know Stockwood Hill you'll know it is unsuitable for heavy vehicles and also has a 6ft width restriction, fair enough to send a Slimline Solo down there once a day a few times a week. But the plan as above here is to send a single decker down there every 20 minutes, which judging by what happened on Friday morning would lead to chaos.

A queue had built up at the Keynsham end with a long wait and then a stream of cars reversing back down the hill with lots of shunting and maneuvering down Stockwood Vale, until eventually a Eurotaxis coach poked around the corner from Stockwood Hill to meet a stream of cars blocking its way! Again much maneuvering and shunting and it finally managed to squeeze a bit further along until it couldn't get any further. By this point all the cars had followed it down and blocked any one from going up. What usually would take about 2 minutes turned into 15/20 minutes in the end, how can you propose for that every 20 minutes for at least 5 out of 7 days?!

Exactly - see my tirade on #186 (though I did say I'd had a very bad day that day )

 

[THarris123]

As a regular 6/7 user I would put these 2 back to their old routes.

In the past few years the 6 and 7 have gone from 15 min frequency to 20 min and now to 30 min, a quite substantial reduction in frequency. The absolutely insane move to reroute through Broadmead rather than continue to run via Baldwin St, Castle Park, Broadweir and Old Market needs to be reversed, Deliberately re-routing through the bottleneck by McDonalds in Broadmead was complete madness. Peak journey time Centre-Turnpike increased by 15 mins as a result of it, the increase eventually resulted in First having to re-write the bus diagrams to give more reliability. A terminating 6 now goes back as the 7 on the departure behind the 6 that it used to work back on.

The 48 and 49 now only run every 30 mins thanks to First's obsession with sending far too many services to UWE. The introduction of the 48A, stealing buses from the 48/9s has been a disastrous move for the residents of the Staple Hill and Downend areas. A return to the 15 min frequency that we had pre 48A would be most welcome.

48 and 49 run every 15 mins peak and 20 mins off peak, with 48A running every 10 mins, all on Mon-Sat. That's a bus along Fishponds road every 5 mins. 48 and 49 are every 30 mins on a Sunday.

 

[freetoview33]

As a regular 6/7 user I would put these 2 back to their old routes.

In the past few years the 6 and 7 have gone from 15 min frequency to 20 min and now to 30 min, a quite substantial reduction in frequency. The absolutely insane move to reroute through Broadmead rather than continue to run via Baldwin St, Castle Park, Broadweir and Old Market needs to be reversed, Deliberately re-routing through the bottleneck by McDonalds in Broadmead was complete madness. Peak journey time Centre-Turnpike increased by 15 mins as a result of it, the increase eventually resulted in First having to re-write the bus diagrams to give more reliability. A terminating 6 now goes back as the 7 on the departure behind the 6 that it used to work back on.

The 48 and 49 now only run every 30 mins thanks to First's obsession with sending far too many services to UWE. The introduction of the 48A, stealing buses from the 48/9s has been a disastrous move for the residents of the Staple Hill and Downend areas. A return to the 15 min frequency that we had pre 48A would be most welcome.

They can't though, what with the changes to the central area layout down to metrobus.

 

[freetoview33]

I have slightly edited things, taking into account recent developments but also looking forward to new North Bristol developments and metrobus (After looking through the detailed planning applications, yes a little too much free time) I want to have a future proof idea that shouldn't need major changes for a while.

And as before much more detailed excel doc available on request

1-9
1: Temple Meads - Cribbs Causeway (Route of current service 1, every 15 mins, double decker)

X1: Bristol Bus Station - Chepstow (Basically reverting to the old X14, serving Clifton, Westbury and Cribbs Causeway, every 60 mins, single decker)

2: Temple Meads - Cribbs Causeway (Route of current service 1 as far as Westbury Village, then route of service 508 to Airbus, Charlton Road, then New Charlton, [Filton airfield] to Cribbs Causeway, every 15 mins, double decker)

X2: Bristol Bus Station - Caldicot (Basically reverting to the old X14, serving Clifton, Westbury, New Charlton and Cribbs Causeway, every 60 mins, single decker)

Caldicot is similar size to Chepstow, but lacks good links, but with proposed M4, M48, M49 changes access should get better.

3: Temple Meads - Severn Beach (Route of current service 624, 2 trips in each direction per day, single decker)

To ensure Hallen and Compton Greenfield maintains a service as well as Severn beach to the centre.

4: Temple Meads - Cribbs Causeway (Route of current service 2, every 15 mins, double decker)

5: Temple Meads - Cribbs Causeway (Route of current service 3, every 15 mins, double decker)

6: Temple Meads - Cribbs Causeway (Route of current service 4, every 15 mins, double decker)

7: Temple Meads - Temple Meads (Temple Meads - Centre - Cotham - Redland - Downs - Clifton - then Jacobs Wells road, Anchor Road, Cannons Road and Explore Way then back to Temple Meads, every 15 mins, single decker)

Serving Hotwells Road and @Bristol will help "Tourists" more and better serve the new offices/flats of Cannon Marsh.

8: Temple Meads - Temple Meads (Reverse of route 7, every 15 mins, single decker)

Serving Hotwells Road and @Bristol will help "Tourists" more and better serve the new offices/flats of Cannon Marsh.

9: Bristol Parkway - Avonmouth (U.W.E - Cheswick - Lockleaze - Horfield - Westbury - Coombe Dingle [route of 508] - Lawrence Weston - Shirehampton - Avonmouth [route of 501] every 20 mins, single decker)

Trying to simplify the 18/501/502/508 into two services 9 and 19 whilst still maintaining links (but reducing dualing of some routes)

10-19
10: Southmead Hospital - Broad Quay (Route of former 25, every 15 mins, single decker)

11: Southmead Hospital - Broad Quay (Route of 77, every 30 mins, single decker)

12: Southmead Hospital - Severn Beach (route of 625, every 60 mins, single decker)

Possible slight route change in Little Stoke/Patchway to make journey times better.

13: Southmead Hospital - Wotton-under-Edge (route of 77 to Thornbury then Falfield and Charfield, every 60 mins, single decker)

Basically the northern part of the 77 but serving Charfield, So the 79 (Old 87) can be rerouted and then Wotton-under-Edge still maintains a link to Southmead Hospital.

14: Southmead Hospital - Chipping Sodbury (route of 82 but avoiding Cribbs Causeway, every 60 mins, single decker)

A much more simple/direct route, as there would be no need to serve Cribbs or Wotton-under-Edge.

15: Southmead Hospital - Keynsham (route of 17A, every 20 mins, single decker)

16: Southmead Hospital - Brislington Park & Ride (route of 506 to Barton Hill, then as 513/514 to Brislington then to the Park & Ride, every 20 mins, single decker)

17: Southmead Hospital - Long Ashton Park & Ride (route of 505, every 20 mins, single decker)

18: Southmead Hospital - Lyde Green Park & Ride (route of 18, every 20 mins, single decker)

19: Southmead Hospital - Portway Park & Ride (To Shirehampton Green as 18/501/502 then via Shirehampton Dursley Road to Park & Ride, every 20 mins, single decker)

Trying to simplify the 18/501/502/508 into two services 9 and 19 whilst still maintaining links (but reducing dualing of some routes)

20-29
20: Bristol Bus Station - Weston super Mare (As W1, every 30 mins, single decker)

X20: Bristol Bus Station - Weston super Mare (As X1, every 30 mins, double decker)

21: Bristol Bus Station - Nailsea (As X9, every 30 mins, single decker)

X21: Bristol Bus Station - Nailsea (As X8, every 30 mins, double decker)

22: Bristol Bus Station - Clevedon (Via Nailsea, as the old X8 and 355, Sunday evenings only, single decker)

X22: Bristol Bus Station - Clevedon (As X6, every 30 mins, double decker)

23: Bristol Bus Station - Portishead (Serving Pill, Sheepway, Portishead Docks, every 30 mins, single decker)

X23: Bristol Bus Station - Portishead (Express to Portishead, every 30 mins, double decker)

24: Broadmead - Bower Ashton (As 506, calling at Create, every 30 mins, single decker)

25: Broadmead - Bower Ashton (As 11, via Southville, every 30 mins, single decker)

26: Broadmead - Ashton Vale (As service 24, every 15 mins, single decker)

29: Bristol Airport - Cribbs Causeway (As service A2 and X5, every 60 mins, single decker)

30-39
31: Broadmead - Keynsham Temple - Broadmead (Temple Meads - Arnos Vale - St Annes - Broomhill - then onto Keynsham, every 20 mins, single decker)

Eastern part of service 1, providing St Annes with a more direct service than the 36 to the centre, also providing an onward link to Keynsham. Improving links to Temple Meads (With the new arena and other development)

32: Broadmead - Keynsham Wellsway - Broadmead (As service 57 to Stockwood, then as 636 to Keynsham, every 20 mins, single decker)

Maintaining a link to the centre from Brislington (Callington Road) and make up for reduced capacity on the 52 (old 2) to Stockwood.

33: Bristol Bus Station - Bath (As service 39, but running via Wellsway and the 178 loop, every 60 mins, single decker)

34: Bristol Bus Station - Bath (As service 38, every 60 mins, single decker)

X34: Bristol Bus Station - Bath (As service X39, every 15 mins, double decker)

Making the service limited stop, to try and compete further with the train for end to end traffic.

36: Bristol Bus Station - Radstock (As 178 but avoiding Timsbury, every 120 mins, single decker)

37: Bristol Bus Station - Midsomer Norton (As 668, every 120 mins, single decker)

39: Bristol Airport - Bath (As A4, every 60 mins, single decker)

40-49
40: Broad Quay - Staple Hill (As 7, every 20 mins, double decker)

41: Broad Quay - Kingswood (As 6, every 20 mins, double decker)

42: Bristol Bus Station - Tormarton (As 35 to Kingswood then as 634, every 180 mins, single decker)

43: Bristol Bus Station - Marshfield (As 35, every 180 mins, single decker)

44: Broad Quay - Bitton (As service 43, every 20 mins, double decker)

45: Broad Quay - Bitton (As service 42, every 20 mins, double decker)

46: Broad Quay - Cadbury Heath (As service 45, every 20 mins, double decker)

47: Broad Quay - Cadbury Heath (As service 44, every 20 mins, double decker)

48: Bristol Bus Station - Bath (As service 37, every 30 mins, single decker)

49: Cribbs Causeway - Bath (As service 319 but calling Via Charlton Hayes and from Kingswood serving Hanham and Longwell Green as 37, every 30 mins, single decker)

50-59
50: Broadmead - Hengrove (As service 50, every 20 mins, double decker)

51: Broadmead - Hengrove (As service 51, every 20 mins, double decker)

52: Broadmead - Stockwood (As service 2, every 20 mins, single decker)

53: Broadmead - Stockwood (As old service 55 direct up Wells Road, every 20 mins, single decker)

54: Bristol Bus Station - Wells (Via Chew Magna, every 120 mins, single decker)

55: Bristol Bus Station - Wells (As service 376, every 60 mins, single decker)

X55: Bristol Bus Station - Street (As service 376, every 60 mins, single decker)

56: Bristol Bus Station - Wells (Via Midsomer Norton, as service 379 and 376, every 60 mins, single decker)

59: Keynsham - Hengrove (As service 637 and then 515, every 60 mins, single decker)

60-69
60: Broad Quay - U.W.E (As service 13 and 48A, every 15 mins, double decker)

X60: Broad Quay - U.W.E (As service X14/X74, every 15 mins, double decker)

61: Broad Quay - U.W.E (As service 24 to Eastville then Stapleton and Frenchay, every 15 mins, double decker)

62: Bristol Bus Station - Dursley (As service 626, but continuing direct to Dursley, 2 trips a day, single decker)

63: Bristol Bus Station - Chipping Sodbury (As service 46 to Winterbourne then as X46 to Chipping Sodbury, every 30 mins, single decker)

X63: Bristol Bus Station - Chipping Sodbury (As service X46 to Winterbourne then as 46 to Chipping Sodbury, every 60 min, double decker)

To provide the main population centres of Chipping Sodbury, Yate, Coalpit Heath, Frampton Cotterell and Winterbourne with a regular express service.

64: Bristol Bus Station - Yate (As service 47 but serving Oldbury Court, every 30 mins, single decker)

65: Broad Quay - Emersons Green (As service 48 but serving Lyde Green, every 15 mins, double decker)

66: Broad Quay - Emersons Green (As service 49, every 15 mins, double decker)

67: Bristol Bus Station - Yate (As service X49, every 30 mins, single decker)

69: Cribbs Causeway - Kingswood (As service X5 and X18 every 60 mins, single decker)

70-79
70: Temple Meads - U.W.E (As 71, every 12 mins, double decker)

71: Temple Meads - U.W.E (As 70, every 12 mins, double decker)

72: Temple Meads - U.W.E (As 70 to The Arches then Redland and Henleaze, every 12 mins, double decker)

To maintain a Redland to U.W.E link and maintain a frequent service to Henleaze. As well as new Redland - Henleaze link

73: Temple Meads - Cribbs Causeway (As 76 but avoiding Southmead, every 15 mins, double decker)

Basically the old 77 to provide a quicker service to/from Henbury.

74: Temple Meads - Cribbs Causeway (As 76 to Southmead then via Charlton Road, Fishpool to Cribbs Causeway, every 15 mins, double decker)

75: Temple Meads - Cribbs Causeway (As 75, every 15 mins, double decker)

Patchway will have more buses as the 76 will additional serve that area.

76: Temple Meads - Cribbs Causeway (As 73 then calling at Aztec West using bus link to Patchway and onto Cribbs, every 15 mins, double decker)

To create a regular link to Aztec West and without increasing the route length.

X76: Temple Meads - Cribbs Causeway (Express version of X76, every 30 mins, single decker)

77: Bristol Bus Station - Thornbury (As service 78 to Horfield, then Bristol Parkway, Bradley Stoke and onwards to Thornbury, every 60 mins, single decker)

78: Bristol Bus Station - Thornbury (As service 78, every 60 mins, single decker)

X78: Bristol Bus Station - Dursley (As service 79 to Thornbury then as 88 to Dursley, every 120 mins, single decker)

79: Cribbs Causeway - Dursley (As service 87, every 120 mins, single decker)

80-89
80: Yate - Keynsham (As service 86 to Kingswood then onward to Keynsham, every 120 mins, single decker)

81: Yate - Bath (As 620, every 120 mins, single decker)

82: Yate - Malmesbury (As 41, every 120 mins, single decker)

83: Yate - Tetbury (As 27/622, every 120 mins, single decker)

84: Yate - Dursley (As 86, every 120 mins, single decker)

85: Yate - Wotton-under-Edge (As 82, 84, every 60 mins, single decker)

86: Yate - Sharpness (As 88/201, 2 trips daily, single decker)

87: Yate - Thornbury (As 622, every 120 mins, single decker)

88: Yate - Cribbs Causeway (As 82, every 60 mins, single decker)

89: Yate - Westbury Village (serving new North Bristol developments, every 60 mins, single decker)

To maintain Yate - Cribbs link and allow faster links to Southmead Hospital

90-99
90: Bristol Bus Station - Bristol Airport (As 21/22 to Highridge, then Dundry, Winford, Felton and on to Bristol Airport, every 120 mins, single decker)

X90: Bristol Bus Station - Bristol Airport (As A1, every 10 mins, single decker)

91: Broadmead - Hengrove (As 52, every 30 mins, single decker)

92: Broadmead - Hengrove (As 75, every 12 mins, double decker)

93: Broadmead - Hengrove (As 76, every 12 mins, double decker)

94: Broadmead - Hengrove (As 90 and 36, every 12 mins, single decker)

To make up for losing the 36 and to possibly remove the need for the 511 and 512.

95: Broadmead - Hengrove (As 90, every 12 mins, single decker)

99: Hengrove - Bower Ashton (Via Hengrove Park, Bedminster Down and Ashton Gate, every 60 mins, single decker)

100+
125: Weston-super-Mare - Wells (As service 26/126, but serving Wookey Hole, every 60 mins, single decker)

126: Weston-super-Mare - West Harptree (As 135/A2, every 120 mins, single decker)

127: Weston-super-Mare - Bristol Airport (As A2, every 120 mins, single decker)

128: Weston-super-Mare - Nailsea (As 850, every 60 mins, single decker)

129: Weston-super-Mare - Cribbs Causeway (As X5, every 60 mins, single decker)

130: Bath - Wells (As service 173, every 60 mins, single decker)

131: Bath - Wells (As service 174, every 60 mins, single decker)

132: Bath - Radstock (As service 179, avoiding Writhlington, every 60 mins, single decker)

133: Bath - Midsomer Norton (As service 178, but serving Writhlington, every 60 mins, single decker)

138: Bath - East Harptree (Via Corston and Stanton Wick, every 120 mins, single decker)

139: Bath - Bristol Airport (Via Corston and Chew Magna, every 120 mins, single decker)

Still more to follow when I have gone through the remaining services!
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hopefully resolves some issues TGW had
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A few more bits.

Depot wise. I have come up with the following ...

Avonmouth (Current Wessex depot)
Bath (Current First depot)
Hengrove (Current First depot)
Lawrence Hill (Current First depot)
Westerleigh (South of Yate, new depot)
Weston-super-Mare (Current First depot)

I don't really see the need for Firsts' Wells depot or Wessexs' Keynsham depot.
Muller Road would be closed fully also.

[/QUOTE]
As promised 2017 version.

So after feedback and looking into metrobus changes, I have made some changes to my previous idea. (Should be slightly more realistic than before) I have made comments of what has changed vs current services and against the 2016 version of my ideas.

And as before a much more detailed excel doc is available on request.


1-9 - Portway (A4 West)/Whiteladies Road (A4018)

1: Temple Meads - Henbury - Cribbs Causeway (Route of service 1, every 15 mins, double decker) - Unchanged from 2016.

X1: Bristol Bus Station - Chepstow (Basically reverting to the old X14, serving Clifton, Westbury and Cribbs Causeway, every 60 mins, double decker) - Was going to be X1 and X2 but merged back into one service and single decker.

2: Temple Meads - Brentry - Cribbs Causeway (Route of service 1 as far as Westbury Village, then route of service 508 to Airbus, Charlton Road, then New Charlton, [Filton airfield] to Cribbs Causeway, every 15 mins, double decker) - Unchanged from 2016.

3: Temple Meads - Shirehampton - Cribbs Causeway (Route of service 3, every 15 mins, double decker) - Scrapped the idea of renumbeing to 5, to reduce renumberings.

4: Temple Meads - Shirehampton - Cribbs Causeway (Route of service 4, every 15 mins, double decker) - Scrapped the idea of renumbeing to 6, to reduce renumberings.

5: Temple Meads - Cribbs Causeway (Route of current service 2, every 15 mins, double decker) - Was going to be 4.

6: Temple Meads - Stoke Bishop (Route of current service 16, every 10 mins, double decker) - New service.

7: Temple Meads - Temple Meads (Temple Meads - Centre - Cotham - Redland - Downs - Clifton - then Jacobs Wells road, Anchor Road, Cannons Road and Explore Way then back to Temple Meads, every 15 mins, single decker) - Unchanged from 2016.

8: Temple Meads - Temple Meads (Reverse of route 7, every 15 mins, single decker) - Unchanged from 2016.

9: Bristol Parkway - Avonmouth (Bristol Parkway - U.W.E - Cheswick - Lockleaze - Horfield - Westbury - Coombe Dingle [route of 508] - Lawrence Weston - Shirehampton - Avonmouth [route of 18A] every 30 mins, single decker) - Reduced from every 20 mins to every 30 mins.


10-19 - Southmead Hospital

10: Southmead Hospital - Centre (Route of 5 to Eastville then as 24 to Southmead Hospital every 15 mins, single decker) - Unchanged from 2016.

11: Southmead Hospital - Centre (Route of 77, every 30 mins, single decker) - Unchanged from 2016.

12: Southmead Hospital - Severn Beach (route of 625 but not serving Patchway, every 60 mins, single decker) - Unchanged from 2016.

13: Southmead Hospital - Wotton-under-Edge (route of 77 to Thornbury then Falfield and Charfield, every 60 mins, single decker) - Unchanged from 2016.

14: Southmead Hospital - Chipping Sodbury (route of 82 but avoiding Cribbs Causeway, every 60 mins, single decker) - Unchanged from 2016.

15: Southmead Hospital - Keynsham (route of 17, every 30 mins, single decker) - Reduced from every 20 mins to every 30 mins.

16: Southmead Hospital - Brislington Park & Ride (route of 506 to Barton Hill, then as 513/514 to Brislington then to the Park & Ride, every 20 mins, single decker) - Reduced from every 20 mins to every 30 mins.

17: Southmead Hospital - Long Ashton Park & Ride (route of 505, every 30 mins, single decker) - Reduced from every 20 mins to every 30 mins.

18: Southmead Hospital - Lyde Green Park & Ride (route of 18/18A, every 30 mins, single decker) - Reduced from every 20 mins to every 30 mins.

19: Southmead Hospital - Portway Park & Ride (To Coombe Dingle as 18 then as 508 to Shirehampton Dursley Road then to the Park & Ride, every 30 mins, single decker) - Reduced from every 20 mins to every 30 mins.


20-29 - A369/A370

20: Broadmead - U.W.E Bower Ashton (As 506/Metrobus, calling at Create, every 20 mins, single decker) - Old 24, also calling at Ashton Gate, increased from every 30 mins to every 20 mins.

21: Broadmead - U.W.E Bower Ashton (As service 24, every 15 mins, single decker) - Old 26, extended from Ashton Vale to U.W.E Bower Ashton, decreased from every 15 mins to every 20 mins.

22: Bristol Bus Station - Weston super Mare (As X1A, every 30 mins, double decker) - Was originally going to be numbered 20 and single decker.

23: Bristol Bus Station - Weston-super-Mare (As X1, every 30 mins, double decker) - Was originally going to be numbered X20.

24: Bristol Bus Station - Nailsea (As X8, every 30 mins, single decker) - Was going to be numbered X21.

25: Bristol Bus Station - Nailsea - Clevedon (As X6A/X9, every 30 mins, double decker) - Was going to be numbered 21 and 22 and single decker.

26: Bristol Bus Station - Clevedon (As X6, every 30 mins, single decker) - Was going to be numbered X22 and changed from Double Decker to Single Decker.

27: Bristol Bus Station - Portishead (As X4, every 30 mins, double decker) - Replacing 23/X23.

28: Bristol Bus Station - Portishead (As X3, every 30 mins, double decker) - Replacing 23/X23.


30-39 - A4 East

30: Broadmead - Keynsham (Temple Meads - Arnos Vale - St Annes - Broomhill - then onto Keynsham, every 20 mins, single decker) - Was going to be 31, cut back to Keynsham and no longer serving Park Estate.

33: Bristol Bus Station - Bath Bus Station (As service 38, every 60 mins, single decker) - New service.

34: Bristol Bus Station - Bath (As service 39, every 60 mins, double decker) - Changed from 60 mins all day to only evenings and Sundays, and Double Decker not single decker)

X34: Bristol Bus Station - Bath (As service X39, every 15 mins, double decker)

35: Bristol Bus Station - Keynsham Chandag - Radstock (As 178, every 60 mins, single decker) - Was 36 and 37 both every 120 mins but merged into one service again.

36: Bristol Bus Station - Bath Bus Station (As service 39, but running via Keynsham Chandag, every 60 mins, single decker) - Was going to be 33.

37: Broadmead - Stockwood (As service 57 to Brislington then as 36 to Sturminster Raod then as 57 to Stockwood, every 20 mins, single decker) - Was going to be 32, cut back from Keynsham to Stockwood.


40-49 - A420/A431

40: Centre - Staple Hill (As 7, every 20 mins, double decker) - Unchanged from 2016.

41: Centre - Kingswood (As 6, every 20 mins, double decker) - Unchanged from 2016.

42: Centre - Kingswood - Mount Hill - Oldland Common - Bitton (As service 42, every 20 mins, double decker) - Was going to be numbered 45 but changed to reduce renumberings.

43: Centre - Kingswood -Warmley - North Common - Bitton (As service 43, every 20 mins, double decker) - Was going to be numbered 44 but changed to reduce renumberings.

44: Bristol Bus Station - Tormarton (As 35A/42A to Kingswood then as 634, every 180 mins, single decker) - Was going to be numbered 42.

45: Bristol Bus Station - Marshfield (As 35, every 180 mins, single decker) - Was going to be numbered 43.

46: Centre - Cadbury Heath (As service 45, every 20 mins, double decker) - Unchanged from 2016.

47: Centre - Cadbury Heath (As service 44, every 20 mins, double decker) - Unchanged from 2016.

48: Bath Bus Station - Bristol Bus Station (As service 37, every 30 mins, single decker) - Unchanged from 2016.

49: Bath Bus Station - Cribbs Causeway (As service 19 but calling Via Charlton Hayes and from Kingswood serving Hanham and Longwell Green as 37, every 30 mins, single decker) - Unchanged from 2016.


50-59 - A37

50: Broadmead - Hengrove Park (As service 50, every 20 mins, double decker) - Unchanged from 2016.

51: Broadmead - Hengrove Park (As service 51, every 20 mins, double decker) - Unchanged from 2016.

52: Broadmead - Hengrove Park (As service 51 to Broadwalk, then as service 36 to Imperial Park, then to Hengrove Park, every 20 mins, double decker) - New service.

53: Bristol Bus Station - Wells (Via Chew Magna, every 60 mins, single decker)- Was going to be 54, increased from every 120 mins to every 60 mins, to maintain capacity from Bristol to Wells)

54: Bristol Bus Station - Wells (As service 175 and 376, every 60 mins, single decker) - Was going to be 55, rerouted to serve Shepton Mallet, taking over service 175.

X54: Bristol Bus Station - Street (As service 376, every 60 mins, single decker) - Was going to be X55.

55: Bristol Bus Station - Whitchurch - Radstock (A service 177, every 60 mins, single decker) - Was going to be 56 and cut back from Wells to Radstock.

56: Broadmead - Stockwood (As service 2, every 20 mins, single decker) - Was going to be 52.

57: Broadmead - Stockwood (As old service 55 direct up Wells Road, every 20 mins, single decker) - Was going to be 53.

59: Bristol Airport - Bath (As A4, but running via Keynsham Park Estate, every 60 mins, single decker) - Was going to be 39 and additionally serving Keynsham Park Estate.


60-69 - A432

60: Centre - U.W.E (As service 48A, every 15 mins, double decker) - Unchanged from 2016.

X60: Centre - U.W.E (As service U.W.E/X14, every 12 mins, double decker) - Increased from every 15 mins to every 12 mins.

61: Centre - U.W.E (As service 24 to Eastville then Stapleton and Frenchay, every 15 mins, double decker) - Unchanged from 2016.

62: Bristol Bus Station - Dursley (As service 626, but continuing direct to Dursley, 120 mins, single decker) - Increased from 2 trips a day to every 120 mins.

63: Bristol Bus Station - Yate (As service 46 to Winterbourne then as X46 to Yate, every 60 mins, double decker) - Cut back from Chipping Sodbury to Yate, reduced from every 30 mins to every 60 mins and changed from single decker to double decker.

64: Centre - Emersons Green (As service 48 to Fishponds, then via Oldbury Court and onto Emersons Green, every 20mins, double decker) - New service.

65: Bristol Bus Station - Yate (As service 47 but serving, every 60 mins, double decker) - Was going to be 64, every 30 mins, single decker and serving oldbury court.

X65: Bristol Bus Station - Chipping Sodbury (As service X46 to Winterbourne then as 46 to Chipping Sodbury, every 60 min, double decker) - Was going to be X63.

66: Centre - Emersons Green (As service 48 but serving Lyde Green, every 20 mins, double decker) - Was going to be 65 and every 15 mins.

67: Centre - Emersons Green (As service 49, every 20 mins, double decker) - Was going to be 66 and every 15 mins.

68: Bristol Bus Station - Yate (As service X49 but serving South Yate, every 60 mins, double decker) - Was going to be 67, every 30 mins and single decker.

69: Cribbs Causeway - Kingswood - Keynsham (As service old service, X5 and X18 every 60 mins, single decker) - As 2016 but extended from Kingswood - Keynsham as 19A.


70-79

70: Temple Meads - U.W.E (As 70, every 15 mins, double decker) - Was going to be 71 but changed to reduce renumbering, reduced from every 12 mins to every 15 mins.

71: Temple Meads - U.W.E (As 71, every 15 mins, double decker) - Was going to be 70 but changed to reduce renumbering, reduced from every 12 mins to every 15 mins.

72: Temple Meads - U.W.E (As 70 to The Arches then Redland and Henleaze, every 15 mins, double decker) - Reduced from every 12 mins to every 15 min.

73: Temple Meads - Cribbs Causeway (As 73 then calling at Aztec West using bus link to Patchway and onto Cribbs, every 15 mins, double decker) - Was going to be 76 but changed to reduce renumbering.

X73: Temple Meads - Cribbs Causeway (Replacing X73 and following metrobus route, every 30 mins, single decker) - Was going to be X76 but renumbered to reduce renumbering.

74: Temple Meads - Cribbs Causeway (As 75 to Airbus, then to Bristol Parkway, then via Little Stoke and then as 75 to Cribbs Causeway, every 15 mins, double decker) - Was going to be 75 but renumbered to become a sister service of the 73 and rerouted.

75: Temple Meads - Cribbs Causeway (As 76 to Southmead then via Charlton Road, Fishpool to Cribbs Causeway, every 15 mins, double decker) - Was going to be 74.

76: Temple Meads - Cribbs Causeway (As 76 but avoiding Southmead, every 15 mins, double decker) - Was going to be 73 but renumbered to reduce renumbering.

77: Bristol Bus Station - Thornbury (As service 78, every 60 mins, single decker) - Was 78, yes one renumbering, was single now double decker.

X77: Bristol Bus Station - Thornbury (As service 79, every 60 mins, single decker) - Was X78 and cut back from Dursley to Thornbury also increased from every 120 mins to every 60 mins.

78: Bristol Bus Station - Thornbury (As service 78 to Horfield, then Lockleaze, Cheswick, Bristol Parkway, Bradley Stoke and onwards to Thornbury, every 60 mins, double decker) - Was 77 and single decker also rerouted via Lockleaze.

79: Cribbs Causeway - Dursley (As service 622 to Thornbury, then 207 to Berkley then 62 to Dursley, every 120 mins, single decker)


80-89 - Yate

80: Yate - Keynsham (As service 86 to Longwell Green then onward to Keynsham, every 120 mins, single decker - Unchanged from 2016.

81: Yate - Bath (As 620, every 120 mins, single decker) - Unchanged from 2016.

82: Yate - Malmesbury (As 41, every 120 mins, single decker) - Unchanged from 2016.

83: Yate - Tetbury (As 27every 120 mins, single decker) - Unchanged from 2016.

84: Yate - Dursley (As 84/85, every 120 mins, single decker) - Unchanged from 2016.

85: Yate - Wotton-under-Edge (As 84/85, every 120 mins, single decker) - Reduced from every 60 mins to every 120 mins.

86: Yate - Thornbury (As 411/622, every 120 mins, single decker) - Was going to be 87 and extended from Thornbury to Aust.

87: Yate - Cribbs Causeway (As 82, but serving Patchway every 60 mins, single decker) - Was going to be 88 and 89.

88: Yate - Henbury (Route of 82 to Cribbs Causeway, then Easter Compton and Hallen, 2 trips in each direction per day, single decker) - New service.


90-99 A38 South

90: Bristol Bus Station - Bristol Airport (As A1 via Long Ashton Metrobus route, every 30 mins, Single Decker) - New Route.

91: Bristol Bus Station - Bristol Airport (As A1 but a stopping service, every 30 mins, Single Decker) - Old 90 no longer serving Dundry, Winford or Felton, and increased from every 120 mins to every 30 mins.

X91: Bristol Bus Station - Bristol Airport (As A1, every 20 mins, single decker) - Was X90, reduced from every 10 mins to every 20 mins.

92: Broadmead - Hengrove Park (As 22/52 to Highridge, then the Metrobus route to Hengrove Park every 30 mins, single decker) - Was 91 and rerouted via SBLR.

93: Broadmead - Hengrove Park (As 75, every 12 mins, double decker) - Was 92.

94: Broadmead - Hengrove Park (As 76 but serving Bedminster Road and not West Street, also serving Imperial Park instead of William Jessop Way, every 12 mins, double decker) - Was 93, rerouted.

95: Broadmead - Hengrove Park (As 90 to Imperial Park then as 36 around Hartcliffe, every 12 mins, double decker) - Was 94 and 95 and single decker.

96: Bristol Bus Station - Cheddar (New Route, Centre - Bedminster - Highridge - Dundry - Winford - Felton - Redhill - Lower Langford - Axbridge - Cheddar, 2 trips a day, single decker)

97: Bristol Bus Station - East Harptree (New Route, Centre - Bedminster - Highridge - Dundry - Winford - Felton - Redhill - Blagdon - West Harptree - East Harptree, 2 trips a day, single decker)

99: Long Ashton Park & Ride - Stockwood (As 515 and Metrobus, every 30 mins, single decker) - Merging old 99 and 59, No longer serving, Bedminster Down, Bower Ashton, Queens Charlton or Keynsham, increased from every 60 mins to every 30 mins.


Park & Rides

P1: Portway Park & Ride - Centre (As 902, every 12 mins, double decker)

P2: Long Ashton Park & Ride - Centre (As 903, NOT serving Metrobus route, every 12 mins, double decker)

P3: Brislington Park & Ride - Centre (As 904, every 12 mins, double decker)

P5: Whitchurch Park & Ride - Centre (New Park & Ride located at Whitchurch for the A37 as new housing is likely in years to come, every 12 mins, double decker)

P6: Lyde Green Park & Ride - Centre (New Park & Ride scheme as Metrobus also replacing X48, also hopefully in a good location for a new M4 motorway junction, every 12 mins, double decker)

P7: Patchway Park & Ride - Centre (New Park & Ride located in the Filton/Patchway area, every 12 mins, double decker)


100's

150: Bath - Wells (As service 173, every 60 mins, single decker) - Was going to be 130.

151: Bath - Wells (As service 174, every 60 mins, single decker) - Was going to be 131.

152: Bath - Radstock (As service 179, avoiding Writhlington, every 60 mins, single decker) - Was going to be 132.

153: Bath - Midsomer Norton (As old service 178, but serving Writhlington, every 60 mins, single decker) - Was going to be 133.

154: Bath - East Harptree (Via Corston and Stanton Wick, every 120 mins, single decker) - Was going to be 138.

155: Bath - Bristol Airport (Via Corston and Chew Magna, every 120 mins, single decker) - Was going to be 139.


200's

250: Weston-super-Mare - Burnham-on-Sea (As service 20)

251: Weston-super-Mare - Wells (As service 126, but serving Wookey Hole, every 60 mins, single decker) - Was going to be 125.

252: Weston-super-Mare - West Harptree (As 135, every 180 mins, single decker) - Was going to be 126, reduced from every 120 mins to every 180 mins.

253: Weston-super-Mare - Bristol Airport (As A2, every 120 mins, single decker) - Was going to be 127, increased from every 120 mins to every 60 mins.

254: Weston-super-Mare - Nailsea (As 850, every 60 mins, single decker) - Was going to be 128, reduced from every 60 mins to every 120 mins.

255: Weston-super-Mare - Cribbs Causeway (As X5, every 60 mins, single decker) - Was going to be 129.

275: Wells -Burnham-on-Sea (As old 67, every 120 mins, single decker)


Depots

Avonmouth
Bath
Hengrove
Lawrence Hill
Wells - Outstation
Westerleigh
Weston-super-Mare

Still more to follow when I have gone through the remaining services!

 

[Stompehh]

Which buses serve Gloucester Road North (past Monks Park Ave)?

 

[freetoview33]

Which buses serve Gloucester Road North (past Monks Park Ave)?

X77 and P7,

 

[freetoview33]

And I would have the 74 continue to the Airbus roundabout then along the ring road to parkway.

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

I've tried to help you but..... you've learnt nothing. :roll: Aside from the fact that this is nothing more than fantasy bus networking, it's absolute idiocy in many areas.

The rampant renumberings..... STILL. Aside from satisfying the OCD and Autistic individuals of this world, what does it actually achieve? Really?

Then we have the fantasy stuff..... your 37 running over the 668 as we really expect a bus every hour when there's one a week. Is that going to happen in month of Sundays? Really?

Lastly, you STILL keep doing the same ridiculous concept that you can reduce a direct service in frequency, send it round the f***ing houses, and that people will still get on it.

I mean.... just think. For instance....

90: Bristol Bus Station - Bristol Airport (As A1 via Long Ashton Metrobus route, every 30 mins, Single Decker) - New Route.

91: Bristol Bus Station - Bristol Airport (As A1 but a stopping service, every 30 mins, Single Decker) - Old 90 no longer serving Dundry, Winford or Felton, and increased from every 120 mins to every 30 mins.

X91: Bristol Bus Station - Bristol Airport (As A1, every 20 mins, single decker) - Was X90, reduced from every 10 mins to every 20 mins.


Your 91 - who is going to travel on that? Every 30 mins but both the other two routes are going to be considerably quicker. You really expect people to fly in after x hours on a plane and get a long stopping service and not either of the two faster links? I mean, why would anyone?

Sorry to be brutal but it's crazy stuff.

 

[freetoview33]

I've tried to help you but..... you've learnt nothing. :roll: Aside from the fact that this is nothing more than fantasy bus networking, it's absolute idiocy in many areas.

The rampant renumberings..... STILL. Aside from satisfying the OCD and Autistic individuals of this world, what does it actually achieve? Really?

Then we have the fantasy stuff..... your 37 running over the 668 as we really expect a bus every hour when there's one a week. Is that going to happen in month of Sundays? Really?

Lastly, you STILL keep doing the same ridiculous concept that you can reduce a direct service in frequency, send it round the f***ing houses, and that people will still get on it.

I mean.... just think. For instance....

90: Bristol Bus Station - Bristol Airport (As A1 via Long Ashton Metrobus route, every 30 mins, Single Decker) - New Route.

91: Bristol Bus Station - Bristol Airport (As A1 but a stopping service, every 30 mins, Single Decker) - Old 90 no longer serving Dundry, Winford or Felton, and increased from every 120 mins to every 30 mins.

X91: Bristol Bus Station - Bristol Airport (As A1, every 20 mins, single decker) - Was X90, reduced from every 10 mins to every 20 mins.


Your 91 - who is going to travel on that? Every 30 mins but both the other two routes are going to be considerably quicker. You really expect people to fly in after x hours on a plane and get a long stopping service and not either of the two faster links? I mean, why would anyone?

Sorry to be brutal but it's crazy stuff.

I removed the old 37 running the 668 route .... and reduced the amount of renumberings. It is much improved.

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

I removed the old 37 running the 668 route .... and reduced the amount of renumberings. It is much improved.

Apologies for the 37 but the rest is fair criticism.

The Airport ones are one example. However, some other examples of what I mean

153: Bath - Midsomer Norton (As old service 178, but serving Writhlington, every 60 mins, single decker) - Was going to be 133.

Why not keep it as the 178?

44: Bristol Bus Station - Tormarton (As 35A/42A to Kingswood then as 634, every 180 mins, single decker) - Was going to be numbered 42.
45: Bristol Bus Station - Marshfield (As 35, every 180 mins, single decker) - Was going to be numbered 43.

Why not keep the 35 as the 35? The 634 to every 3 hours when it normally has one a day, except MWF when it's two journeys a day. The logic or justification behind this?

Then we have stuff like the

53: Bristol Bus Station - Wells (Via Chew Magna, every 60 mins, single decker)- Was going to be 54, increased from every 120 mins to every 60 mins, to maintain capacity from Bristol to Wells)

54: Bristol Bus Station - Wells (As service 175 and 376, every 60 mins, single decker) - Was going to be 55, rerouted to serve Shepton Mallet, taking over service 175.

X54: Bristol Bus Station - Street (As service 376, every 60 mins, single decker) - Was going to be X55

So you're going to have one bus going direct to Wells as per the 376 but only every hour. However, instead you have a bus going via Chew Magna.

Again, I ask you...have you actually been to the Chew Valley? Many roads are just not conducive to running full size vehicles. Crazy!

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

Apologies for the 37 but the rest is fair criticism.

The Airport ones are one example. However, some other examples of what I mean

153: Bath - Midsomer Norton (As old service 178, but serving Writhlington, every 60 mins, single decker) - Was going to be 133.

Why not keep it as the 178?

44: Bristol Bus Station - Tormarton (As 35A/42A to Kingswood then as 634, every 180 mins, single decker) - Was going to be numbered 42.
45: Bristol Bus Station - Marshfield (As 35, every 180 mins, single decker) - Was going to be numbered 43.

Why not keep the 35 as the 35? The 634 to every 3 hours when it normally has one a day, except MWF when it's two journeys a day. The logic or justification behind this?

Then we have stuff like the

53: Bristol Bus Station - Wells (Via Chew Magna, every 60 mins, single decker)- Was going to be 54, increased from every 120 mins to every 60 mins, to maintain capacity from Bristol to Wells)

54: Bristol Bus Station - Wells (As service 175 and 376, every 60 mins, single decker) - Was going to be 55, rerouted to serve Shepton Mallet, taking over service 175.

X54: Bristol Bus Station - Street (As service 376, every 60 mins, single decker) - Was going to be X55

So you're going to have one bus going direct to Wells as per the 376 but only every hour. However, instead you have a bus going via Chew Magna.

Again, I ask you...have you actually been to the Chew Valley? Many roads are just not conducive to running full size vehicles. Crazy!

Actually, I'm being unfair as to the last line. You explain the route it will take (in detail) and then it can be adequately assessed

 

[Marc]

can we have full timetables for all of these, please?

and costings?

and justification for your endless tinkering in places where you obviously know nothing about the bus network? for example, half hourly service bath to midsomer norton - have you seen how busy services can get on four or five buses per hour as they are at present? obviously not. so why bother remodelling something youve made no effort to understand.??

 

[BBC]

43 down to every 20 minutes? Ever travelled on that route ?

 

[swifty]

Just a brief look but things that stand out;

Too many services terminating at Temple Meads. It's bad enough as it is, have you been down their recently?

Diverting the 19 (or whatever you've renumbered it) along the 17 and 37 route from Kingswood, why? Have you ever travelled on the current route past Kingswood to see how busy it is? Why add to the 17/37 roads when they hardly carry traffic on their latter sections anyway!

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

can we have full timetables for all of these, please?

and costings?

and justification for your endless tinkering in places where you obviously know nothing about the bus network? for example, half hourly service bath to midsomer norton - have you seen how busy services can get on four or five buses per hour as they are at present? obviously not. so why bother remodelling something youve made no effort to understand.??

TBF, there looks to be three buses per hour Bath to MSN - 2 continuing to Wells and 1 to Writhlington. Should be fun trying to get an Eclipse round Manor Park :roll:

However, 3 bph again bares no relation to demand as you say. Unless of course the idea is the fourth bus is to go via Timsbury which will be a popular as a cup of cold sick!

 

[freetoview33]

Turning to Park & Rides, My idea is for Bristol to have 6 Park & Rides (3 Current, 1 Under Construction and 2 New)

These would be at:

Portway
Ashton
Brislington
Whitchurch
Lyde Green
Patchway

I don't think there should be Park & Rides at Portbury, Henbury, Hambrook, Yate, Warmley, Willsbridge or Felton.

Now to explain reasons for each location.

Portway: This was the 3rd and last site to date, built in Bristol, it is the least used site, having fewer parking spaces than the rest, but still gets a 12 min double decker service. And at First is an odd choice for a site as the population of Avonmouth is quite small, but it serves a much bigger market. Firstly people using the M4 West (South Wales), can be directed onto the M49 to use this site, it could be a secondary site for people travelling down the M5 North, it can be used for people travelling up the M5 South, it is also in a good location to get traffic from Clevedon and Portishead and Severn Beach, In my eyes it along with Patchway removes the need for a A4018 (Henbury) site, which has been proposed, as it would draw away too much business, also I see it removes the need for a Portbury (A369) site, plus when the rail line to Portishead opens, this site could become a white elephant.

Ashton: This site is the 2nd site in Bristol, it is well used and captures people living along the A370, mainly from Weston and Nailsea, but also smaller villages around, it can also be used as a site if travelling from the M5 South, although in practice Portway may provide a better option. Also now the South Bristol Link road has been built it has further removed the need for a A38 South site (Felton), as Long Ashton is much more accessible. Plus there are no major population centres in this area, and it could pull traffic away from the Airport Flyer. Also with the New airport flyer the Ashton site could be used for people travelling to/from Bristol Airport.

Brislington: As said there is already a site at this location, being the original site built in Bristol, it is very well used and is often full, so hopefully building a Whitchurch Park & Ride would relive traffic from here very slightly. It captures people from Bath and the surrounding areas. It also means there is no need for a site at Willsbridge.

Whitchurch: Now this is probably the hardest to explain, but here goes! I would build a park & ride on the A37 just on the outskirts of Whitchurch. I do believe there is demand, as people have pointed out busses to Chew Valley and Shepton Mallet might not be the most viable, but there most be another way to catch these people, so a park & ride in my eyes is the next most logical step. How ever much I would like to see the ringroad properly extended around the outside of South Bristol, this won't happen any time soon, and if it were built arguably you could say these people could use the Brislington site, but that is already very big and gets full, so really that is not a piratical option either! So an A37 site, aiming at East Somerset traffic, Chew Valley and Shepton Mallet traffic would hopefully work.

Lyde Green: As part of Metrobus there is a small park & ride being built here and is served by the X48 (Or it's metrobus replacement). I would support the building of a M4 Junction 18A at Lyde Green, with a road connecting it to the A4174 ring road and the B4465 westerleigh road. This site would then be useful for people travelling from Yate/A432/B4465 (Removing the need for a P&R there), also it would catch Bristol bound traffic from the Thames Valley (M4 East) area before it reached the M32 (Partially removing the need for a P&R at Hambrook), also catching traffic that would use a Warmley site, removing the need there.

Patchway: Personally I would like to see a Park & Ride built at Patchway, ideally on part of the former Rolls Royce site, of course this is currently being redeveloped but with "Low density, non residential development" which would make building a site there at a later date easier. A park & ride here, would catch traffic from the new Filton airfield housing development, it could be used as a secondary site for people travelling from Yate, it could catch traffic travelling down the A38 North from Gloucester/Thornbury. It could also catch people travelling down the M5 North towards Bristol, as the site would be reached sooner than the Portway site (which is the current recommended site). Also finally catch people coming from Magor, Caldicot and Chepstow via the M48. It would also stop them travelling along the M4 to reach the M32, as they would reach this site first of all. This should totally remove the need for an M32 site near Hambrook, as ALL M32 traffic could be caught beforehand.

Hopefully that explains why I think 6 sites would work, and would cover all the main arteries into Bristol. Yes there is the question of if sites would be quicker, into the centre but I am sure that could be worked on.