Class 377/5 Southeastern

[physics34]

3 units now stored at Horsham after leaving TL (509, 510 and 512).

501-508 long term loan to Southeastern.

Any other news would be greatly appreciated

 

[387star]

Yes I'm curious too !

They have recently been refreshed slightly so aren't in bad condition and like the /4s have improved first class

 

[bramling]

Yes I'm curious too !

They have recently been refreshed slightly so aren't in bad condition and like the /4s have improved first class

Pure speculation, but what's the odds they end up being part of a mix that involves Hastings or Eastbourne to Brighton and/or the 313s?

 

[Trainspotter74]

I do find it quite astounding that perfectly good reliable EMUs are unwanted just sitting gathering dust when both the reliability and functionality of the class 700s is still greatly lacking and other TOCs have such a shortage of stock. No excuse for them not to be in service IMO.

 

[physics34]

Pure speculation, but what's the odds they end up being part of a mix that involves Hastings or Eastbourne to Brighton and/or the 313s?

someone on the other forum reckons they are not coming to Southern and someone else reckons they are spare for Southern, so who knows! The 313 Gibb report thingy has all gone quiet :cry:

 

[AlexNL]

What other TOC would want a microfleet of three 377/5's?

 

[physics34]

I do find it quite astounding that perfectly good reliable EMUs are unwanted just sitting gathering dust when both the reliability and functionality of the class 700s is still greatly lacking and other TOCs have such a shortage of stock. No excuse for them not to be in service IMO.

they would need a few software tweeks before they go into service with anyone else, and rebranding inside and out so there maybe plans for them inevitable but ive heard no confirmed news.

 

[Bishopstone]

Only about ten years old, so too new to be cascaded to The North.

 

[Trainspotter74]

they would need a few software tweeks before they go into service with anyone else, and rebranding inside and out so there maybe plans for them inevitable but ive heard no confirmed news.

Oh ok. I didn't realise this. I have noticed a lot of them have southeastern route maps inside so maybe there is still a plan for them to go there.

Does anyone know if the remaining 377/5s still in service are due to go out of service in August at the same time as the 319s?

 

[D365]

Only about ten years old, so too new to be cascaded to The North.

That explains the CAF stock on order :roll:

 

[NSE]

They had SouthEastern and First Capital Connect maps inside from new when they did those through services to Ashford and maybe Rochester (?). The service changed operator en route, like the 319's to Sevenoaks did originally. I don't see why they can't just give these to SE now permanently instead of long term loaning them and then switching them for the 25 or so /1's they're going to get from SN. Unless the 3775xx can't interwork with 375's and the 3771xx can? That would explain why they wouldn't want a mix of both. I have seen the SE 3775's and they're fully rebranded and revinyled.

 

[physics34]

They had SouthEastern and First Capital Connect maps inside from new when they did those through services to Ashford and maybe Rochester (?). The service changed operator en route, like the 319's to Sevenoaks did originally. I don't see why they can't just give these to SE now permanently instead of long term loaning them and then switching them for the 25 or so /1's they're going to get from SN. Unless the 3775xx can't interwork with 375's and the 3771xx can? That would explain why they wouldn't want a mix of both. I have seen the SE 3775's and they're fully rebranded and revinyled.

last i heard the 25 x 1/s going over is on hold due to no depot space over on SE, hence they got 8x 377/5s instead.

 

[387star]

How many 365 will remain?

Maybe they. Could give them to gn to pretty much standardise their non metro fleet

With all the complaints about seat hardness and lack of seats on 387s maybe the 377/5 would beore welcome anyway

Does seem crazy that 3 car 313 work peak hour services along the coast

 

[IKB]

3 units now stored at Horsham after leaving TL (509, 510 and 512).

501-508 long term loan to Southeastern.

Any other news would be greatly appreciated

I read somewhere (I can't remember where) that the plan post-2018 timetable implementation was to use the 455s in the peaks and less so off-peak. That would necessitate greater use of 377s? I may have got wrong end of the stick.

 

[JamesRowden]

Perhaps the new Southeastern franchise will replace all 465/466s with newer redundant stock (with perhaps some new build also ordered).

 

[Domh245]

I read somewhere (I can't remember where) that the plan post-2018 timetable implementation was to use the 455s in the peaks and less so off-peak. That would necessitate greater use of 377s? I may have got wrong end of the stick.

Greater use of 377s, that will have been released by the introduction of 700s onto existing Southern services

 

[D365]

How many 365 will remain?

Maybe they. Could give them to gn to pretty much standardise their non metro fleet

'They' being the 377/5s?

It was originally planned for 19 of them to be transferred anyway.

 

[387star]

Perhaps the new Southeastern franchise will replace all 465/466s with newer redundant stock (with perhaps some new build also ordered).

Shocked those 465s have their original flooring still

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Put the 377/5s to work on Victoria-Maidstone-Ashford-Canterbury West workings and free up the 465/9s to strengthen metro services

 

[Starmill]

Put the 377/5s to work on Victoria-Maidstone-Ashford-Canterbury West workings and free up the 465/9s to strengthen metro services

You mean like the what the 8 that Southeastern have are doing?

Didn't Southeastern apply to lease a significantly higher number of 4 car EMUs, only to have the DfT reject their plan on the basis of there being nowhere to maintain or stable them?

GTR have just finished refreshing these units and they are actually very nice inside.

The first unit arrived at Cauldwell in 2009 so in fact they are only 8 years old. Speaking of which this presumably means Cauldwell will soon no longer have much / any work to do.

One does wonder why more than 8 units couldn't go to work for Southeastern, either on lease or a long-term loan. Perhaps more will do. Perhaps the Southeastern bidders will be proposing taking them all on permanently.

 

[theageofthetra]

Shocked those 465s have their original flooring still

Not a chance. All are having their toilets made 2020 compliant. They may however be removed from all non-metro work to bolster existing metro train lengths.

 

[D365]

Didn't Southeastern apply to lease a significantly higher number of 4 car EMUs, only to have the DfT reject their plan on the basis of there being nowhere to maintain or stable them?

One does wonder why more than 8 units couldn't go to work for Southeastern, either on lease or a long-term loan. Perhaps more will do. Perhaps the Southeastern bidders will be proposing taking them all on permanently.

You've answered your own question already

 

[Train man]

Could they be fitted with TVM430 and modified pantograph for South Eastern services on High Speed 1.

 

[Domh245]

Could they be fitted with TVM430 and modified pantograph for South Eastern services on High Speed 1.

No, unless you want to slow down those services by a fair amount

 

[D365]

Isn't that what the thirty Class 375/6 DV units were intended for?

 

[Starmill]

You've answered your own question already

Which question? It's not as if expansions in depot capacity are particularly difficult. The next Southeastern franchise will need to come up with a solution to this regardless of whether they take the /5 on or not.

 

[otomous]

Which question? It's not as if expansions in depot capacity are particularly difficult. The next Southeastern franchise will need to come up with a solution to this regardless of whether they take the /5 on or not.

Trouble is, on that basis, there may be no bidders for it!

 

[D365]

Which question? It's not as if expansions in depot capacity are particularly difficult. The next Southeastern franchise will need to come up with a solution to this regardless of whether they take the /5 on or not.

From what I've heard it seems as if nobody wants to pay the £2m to provide the additional stabling space.

 

[387star]

Left too soon! 4 car 377/5 on a brighton today

However last week I saw a 12 car 377/5 which I haven't seen in a long time

 

[Sunset route]

Greater use of 377s, that will have been released by the introduction of 700s onto existing Southern services

But there won't be as many cl700s on southern routes as Tattenham all day and Caterham peak hour services have been removed from from the Thameslink program in favour of Kent destinations. What that does to the potential cl455 and cl377 mix on the Southern on the routes is anyone guess.