Freight Train Derailment near Ely 14/08/17

[eastdyke]

So, do we know if the line is opening tomorrow morning?

All the TOCs are repeating the "as far as we know" line, but it's after 8PM and I have to decide what time to set my alarm to get to Peterborough tomorrow morning

The NRE Journey Planner has a (EMT) bus scheduled to leave Norwich at 05.12.
The first EMT train out of Norwich is shown as the 06.51.

This may be because EMT needs 3 units in Norwich overnight to run a normal service and currently only has 2.

http://ojp.nationalrail.co.uk/service/timesandfares/NRW/PBO/today/0500/dep

 

[jamesontheroad]

The NRE Journey Planner has a (EMT) bus scheduled to leave Norwich at 05.12.
The first EMT train out of Norwich is shown as the 06.51.

This may be because EMT needs 3 units in Norwich overnight to run a normal service and currently only has 2.

http://ojp.nationalrail.co.uk/service/timesandfares/NRW/PBO/tomorrow/0245/dep

Good to know, thanks

(PS - they need three units minimum, but in fact four units normally stable in NRW, and the 05:50 goes out with four carriages to pick up the rush hour traffic all stations between Grantham and Nottingham... I hope anyone planning on getting the 0550 knows to be 45 minutes early!)

 

[eastdyke]

Good to know, thanks

(PS - they need three units minimum, but in fact four units normally stable in NRW, and the 05:50 goes out with four carriages to pick up the rush hour traffic all stations between Grantham and Nottingham... I hope anyone planning on getting the 0550 knows to be 45 minutes early!)

I have updated the Journey Planner link to 'today' in my last post, but cannot do the same in the quote in your post!!

Users please be aware the link in the quote will always return services for 'tomorrow' whenever it is viewed.

 

[CockneySparrow]

Good to know, thanks

(PS - they need three units minimum, but in fact four units normally stable in NRW, and the 05:50 goes out with four carriages to pick up the rush hour traffic all stations between Grantham and Nottingham... I hope anyone planning on getting the 0550 knows to be 45 minutes early!)

Can't they take the unit that goes to Great Yarmouth instead, either run a bus there and back or AGA might be able to provide a unit themselves today

 

[CockneySparrow]

Just a short a quick addendum to earlier comments about lack of bus dispatch at PBO. A few minutes ago (20:30 Thursday) the station announced here is advising passengers for Ely to travel to March and catch a bus from there. Isn't there supposed to be a bus fast to Ely from here?

Catch a bus to March lol, is there another problem between PBO and MCH

 

[TheEdge]

Can't they take the unit that goes to Great Yarmouth instead, either run a bus there and back or AGA might be able to provide a unit themselves today

Yea, but that unit (which goes to Lowestoft, not Yarmouth) forms one of their morning services, 0757 I think. So if they steal it for the morning train they'll just loose their later train

 

[LAX54]

Line Open as planned, 20 mph ESR for the recent relaying work (and no direct route TO Norwich just yet)

 

[eastdyke]

Line Open as planned, 20 mph ESR for the recent relaying work (and no direct route TO Norwich just yet)

Well done 'orange army'. Said they would and 'delivered'.

Is the facing crossover to the west curve actually going back?

 

[GB]

Well done 'orange army'. Said they would and 'delivered'.

Is the facing crossover to the west curve actually going back?

It will go back at some point but I would imagine not for at least a couple of months at best.

 

[lincolnshire]

Well done 'orange army'. Said they would and 'delivered'.

Is the facing crossover to the west curve actually going back?

So was the so called Orange Army actually Network Rail staff or was it as seems to be the usual for these days contractors to Network Rail and agency staff ? No wonder running the railways cost a fortune these days to run.

 

[GB]

So was the so called Orange Army actually Network Rail staff or was it as seems to be the usual for these days contractors to Network Rail and agency staff ? No wonder running the railways cost a fortune these days to run.

Both.

 

[snowball]

Press release

https://www.networkrail.co.uk/feeds...h-reopens-following-major-recovery-operation/

The line between Ely and Peterborough reopened this morning following the completion of extensive repair work after a freight train derailed last Monday.

The incident occurred at approximately 14:40 on Monday 14 August, when 11 wagons of a 33 wagon freight train travelling north of Ely derailed. No one was injured.

A team of Network Rail engineers and specialists began a major recovery operation to lift the derailed wagons off the track with a rail crane, which was completed on Thursday afternoon.

The broken rails were then cleared from the site and engineers replaced nearly ¼ mile of track, which was completed over the weekend ready for the line to reopen for start of service on Monday morning (21 August 2017).

Simon Ancona, Network Rail’s chief operating officer for Anglia, said: “Our engineers and specialist teams have worked tirelessly over the last week to recover the derailed wagons and carry out major repair work so that services can resume today as planned. I’d like to thank passengers for their patience while we completed the repairs.”

 

[Crossover]

Line Open as planned, 20 mph ESR for the recent relaying work (and no direct route TO Norwich just yet)

Sorry, I have got myself a bit lost - which junction is currently out of use and what effect is it having on services?

 

[DarloRich]

So was the so called Orange Army actually Network Rail staff or was it as seems to be the usual for these days contractors to Network Rail and agency staff ? No wonder running the railways cost a fortune these days to run.

in a situation like this? Both. and as many as you can get me.

 

[GB]

Sorry, I have got myself a bit lost - which junction is currently out of use and what effect is it having on services?

Its the facing crossover to bring you onto Ely west curve from the Peterborough direction towards Norwich or Kings Lynn. All passenger and freight services for those destinations will have to reverse or run round at Ely.

Kings Lynn or Norwich to Peterborough via the west curve is not affected.

 

[TheEdge]

Apart from (I think) one EMT service in each direction on a Sunday nothing passenger uses Ely west curve so there is no massive service issue there.

And there is plenty of space to run locos round at Ely so thats that sorted.

 

[GB]

Apart from (I think) one EMT service in each direction on a Sunday nothing passenger uses Ely west curve so there is no massive service issue there.

And there is plenty of space to run locos round at Ely so thats that sorted.

Space is not much of an issue, pathing and extra time might be. The curve was also used to turn trains/wagons from Whitemoor if needed.

 

[LAX54]

Well done 'orange army'. Said they would and 'delivered'.

Is the facing crossover to the west curve actually going back?

When NR have their backs to the wall, and have had a major incident, I do not think there is another Company in the Country that can match Net Rail to get it fixed.

 

[dk1]

I wonder if long term any customers will be lost because of this.

In my experience they always come back & bring others with them.

 

[Crossover]

Its the facing crossover to bring you onto Ely west curve from the Peterborough direction towards Norwich or Kings Lynn. All passenger and freight services for those destinations will have to reverse or run round at Ely.

Kings Lynn or Norwich to Peterborough via the west curve is not affected.

Thanks. I think I have found the one affected on Traksy

 

[eastdyke]

Just one EMT train per week in service east-west via the Ely west curve. The Sunday 15.54 Norwich - Manchester Piccadilly.
Nothing west-east.

Even when/if Ely North Junction is 'improved' pathing at Ely will continue to pose challenges to support growth be it 'known', 'aspirational' or 'unexpected'.

Seems to have gone quiet on that front at present but I expect not for long!

 

[daikilo]

When NR have their backs to the wall, and have had a major incident, I do not think there is another Company in the Country that can match Net Rail to get it fixed.

Whilst I agree with you, I am glad Network Rail feels it has a remit to "fixit with whatever resource is needed", as this is not a given in a private enterprise business environment.

 

[LAX54]

Whilst I agree with you, I am glad Network Rail feels it has a remit to "fixit with whatever resource is needed", as this is not a given in a private enterprise business environment.

Agree, however when Net Rail 'plan' something, why does it always go awry ! ?

 

[High Dyke]

Agree, however when Net Rail 'plan' something, why does it always go awry ! ?

They're good at 'papering over the cracks...' An example of this can be seen on the ECML.

A defective set of points have been taken out of use due to a crack appearing in the crossing. (No issue with that.) This situation has been monitored for a while until it's got to the point where replacement is needed. However the original replacement cost has increased somewhat - price rise in materials etc. The points will now be out of use for a couple of months due to the lead-in time for procurement of the required parts.

 

[jamesontheroad]

Just one EMT train per week in service east-west via the Ely west curve. The Sunday 15.54 Norwich - Manchester Piccadilly.
Nothing west-east.

Which is interesting, because I understood the reason for this one path is to maintain route knowledge amongst drivers. However the diagrams would suggest that this means only drivers from either Nottingham or Norwich ever get to sign this diversion? I've always assumed that drivers from the Norwich depot tend to drive the early AM diagrams out of Norwich and the evening diagrams back?

(Sorry, thread drift, corrections welcomed...)

 

[Stampy]

Just one EMT train per week in service east-west via the Ely west curve. The Sunday 15.54 Norwich - Manchester Piccadilly.
Nothing west-east.

Even when/if Ely North Junction is 'improved' pathing at Ely will continue to pose challenges to support growth be it 'known', 'aspirational' or 'unexpected'.

Seems to have gone quiet on that front at present but I expect not for long!

On that idea, do they still run the "Holidaymaker" trains?

Remember catching one quite a few years ago from PBO to Great Yarmouth that went West-East via the Ely Curve...

Perhaps if they ever build a Ely Parkway station they might start using the curve again??

 

[Richard1960]

Whilst I agree with you, I am glad Network Rail feels it has a remit to "fixit with whatever resource is needed", as this is not a given in a private enterprise business environment.

If a private enterprise business was required to do so as part of the franchise agreement then they would have to "!Fixit" the trouble is politicians tend to give it to the lowest bidder for a reason , via the DFT.

 

[jamesontheroad]

On that idea, do they still run the "Holidaymaker" trains?

No, but I believe that they should. With Brexit looming and the £ collapsing against foreign currencies, a direct Saturdays-only train from Nottingham to Great Yarmouth could be viable.

(I'm fifty per cent serious, fifty per cent joking...)

 

[LAX54]

No, but I believe that they should. With Brexit looming and the £ collapsing against foreign currencies, a direct Saturdays-only train from Nottingham to Great Yarmouth could be viable.

(I'm fifty per cent serious, fifty per cent joking...)

I recall when they first started to go away from the Saturday Holiday Trains to Yarmouth, on the first Summer Saturday of that year (cant recall which one !) they replaced the Newcastle which if I recall was at least 14 coaches, with a 4 car sprinter from Peterboro, they seemed surprised that they would not all fit on !

 

[dk1]

I recall when they first started to go away from the Saturday Holiday Trains to Yarmouth, on the first Summer Saturday of that year (cant recall which one !) they replaced the Newcastle which if I recall was at least 14 coaches, with a 4 car sprinter from Peterboro, they seemed surprised that they would not all fit on !

Making Saturday a Saver rather than Super Saver day & scrapping any other cheap fares soon put pay to that. Pricing people off the railways was one thing BR was very good at although those with those rose tinted specs on in regard to privatisation conveniently overlook this fact.