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Did the 17:05 on Tuesday for the first time, really enjoyed it with the window down, had 67599! The 16:42 was double headed 72100s, 72049 & 72074. Is there anymore diesel hauled Transilien services that operate out of Paris or is that the only 2?

Good stuff - no, it's only La Ferté-Milon and Provins that are diesel. All provins trains are bi-mode units and La Ferté-Milon is also a bi-mode shuttle to Meaux for the rest of the day so that's your lot in terms of diesel Transilien.
 
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According to local press, the latest order for 30 Coradias will see their introduction on Toulouse-Hendaye and some services north of Bordeaux so likely replacing some more loco-hauled.
 

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The 16:42 was double headed 72100s, 72049 & 72074.

Note that 72049 and 72074 are absolutely not class 72100s! They are two of the three surviving original CC72000 class.

72049 dates from December 1970, so has been running unrebuilt for 46.5 years. It is just about a year younger than 67406 which is still active out of Paris Est also!



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Note that 72049 and 72074 are absolutely not class 72100s! They are two of the three surviving original CC72000 class.

72049 dates from December 1970, so has been running unrebuilt for 46.5 years. It is just about a year younger than 67406 which is still active out of Paris Est also!



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Oops my bad. Blimey can't believe there is only 3 of them left!
 
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Did the 17:05 on Tuesday for the first time, really enjoyed it with the window down, had 67599! The 16:42 was double headed 72100s, 72049 & 72074. Is there anymore diesel hauled Transilien services that operate out of Paris or is that the only 2?

Like Gordon says, sounds like you struck gold there seeing TWO of the three surviving original machines double heading a service train out of Est! I would loved to ride behind those two all the way to Belfort. I bet they made a hell of a racket on the way out of Est?! :)
 
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Some sad news to share..

Its all over on ligne 4...

CC 72186 did the honours with IC 11644 -(05h14 Culmont Chalindrey - Paris Est) yesterday morning.
A BB 15000 then hauled the empties out of Est and that was it...

Apparently the remaining locomotives will be kept in reserve until the end of the year and after then two or three will be retained but yesterday (28/08/2017) was the last ever planned use of le CC 72100 / CC 72000 in passenger service.
This marks the end of this legendary class of locomotives and a chapter in railway history. ??????

I was surprised to hear this so soon as I heard elsewhere that the last diagrams were to finish at the December timetable change, but I guess they have turned out the plastic junk faster than expected..
C'est la vie...

I think its a pity that SNCF have not done much to celebrate the locos. The last train didn't even carry a headboard or anything. Anyone know if there are any plans for a farewell tour?

Merci beaucoup to Monsieur Quentin Dal Degan from Tonnerre for the info on FB. Here is his account of yesterdays historic dernier voyage on youtube;

https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=3s&v=WzrUANQU8XI


Adieu CC72100... ??????
 

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Was going to mention it yesterday - YouTube had plenty of videos on it. End of an era indeed.
 

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Took a peek at Gare de nord and the Amiens service is till loco hauled
 
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Ironically I was in Belfort overnight sun/mon on the way back from Switzerland with my other half. Pity they didn't make more of the occasion and run it on a Belfort - Paris service.


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Agreed Gordon,

They should have got a proper send-off and done the full historic route to Bâle (SNCF). My last ride behind one of those mythical machines was back in March on the way back from Basel, changing at Mulhouse and Belfort.

Well at least the Boulogne and La Ferté-Milon BB 67400's and remain for now..
 

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Article on the "last day of service for SNCF CC 72000" on the Belfort line over at railcolor:
http://railcolornews.com/2017/08/31...bleues-last-day-of-service-for-sncf-cc-72000/

Monday 28.08.2017, 8h31: The very last Intercity pulled by one of the mythical CC 72000 series locomotives arrives at Paris-Est station. Fifty year after they were put into service, the big six-axle diesels now have to give way to SNCF’s new Coradia Liner V160 BMUs on the Paris – Troyes – Belfort line.

I think I'd have said legendary rather than mythical, as to me, the first implies it was real, and the second that it was fictional!
 
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using the two unrebuilt 72000s

There are three unrebuilt still on the books: 72049, 074 and 084.

And of course, the 28th was the last day of passenger service. The Railcolor article fails to make this absolutely clear to the unititiated, nor that the three locos above are still on the books 'assigned' to AEF.

A similar situation exists with the last surviving 68000, which has been known to pop out to play occasionally on stock movement assignments.



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I've seen it reported elsewhere (could have been on the TransportRail blog but honestly can't remember) that the new units have arrived to replace locos on Intercités Nantes - Bordeaux.

Apparently it is all very immediate now - does anyone know of the likelihood of IC 3852 & return IC 3835 still being hauled Monday 11th - Friday 15th September?
 

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I'm going to have a little bit of time to kill in Lyon this week. Any recommendations? A few years back I seem to remember doing Grenoble-Lyon (I think? I may have misremembered) in one of those hauled TER sets with a diesel on the front. Is that still in operation?
 
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I'm going to have a little bit of time to kill in Lyon this week. Any recommendations? A few years back I seem to remember doing Grenoble-Lyon (I think? I may have misremembered) in one of those hauled TER sets with a diesel on the front. Is that still in operation?

Grenoble, I believe is fin several years ago.. It was an AGC unit when I was last there in 2013.
Genève on the other hand is BB 22200 et Corails. At least that's what I got in March of this year.
Chambéry may also produce voiture corails.. I think Monsieur Gordon will be able to share his SNCF knowledge on that once again! :)
 

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I'm going to have a little bit of time to kill in Lyon this week. Any recommendations? A few years back I seem to remember doing Grenoble-Lyon (I think? I may have misremembered) in one of those hauled TER sets with a diesel on the front. Is that still in operation?

The diesel use to Lyon was a fill in turn off the Chambery - Grenoble - St Marcellin TER 'shuttle', ended a while ago due to the wiring of the route.

Lyon - Grenoble was predominantly loco-hauled at one time a few years ago, and Lyon - Genève went down to just a couple of loco hauleds a day, but things have been switched round a bit, so at present AFAIK the 22200 electric loco hauled workings are spread around much more, with workings to Chambery, more frequently to Genève, and still the odd one to Grenoble. There sets are push-pull Rhone-Alpes TER Corails, with the Chambéry based MUX fitted BB22200 (not terribly photogenic as nearly all in En Voyage or 'ghost' silver grey)

Also, don't forget the workings north towards Dijon and Paris, and south towards Marseille, also still 22200 electric.


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Thanks for the info. Doesn't sound like anything hugely exciting to check out then.

Although nicer than being on a unit I've always found the corail coaches a bit boring as no opening windows, which is one of my criteria for a "proper" train.
 

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This month's railway mag contains an article on the CC 72000s. It's a good read.
 

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Well I can confirm that the BB 67400s are still going strong (!) on the Nantes-Bordeaux Intercités.. just about.

I enjoyed a short trip behind 67477 on a load 3 IC 13898 (a Bordeaux - La Rochelle end of day short working) between Rochefort at Chatelaillon (Plage) on Friday night. Enjoyed a relatively spirited run in a darkened compartment right behind the loco.

With the units apparently waiting to enter service, this could mean that France's last 2 100% loco-hauled Intercités operations go from diesel loco to unit as the staple traction within a couple of months. :(

The 17:05 and 18:05 Paris Est to La Ferté Milon will likely be attracting my attention over the next 18 months, as surely their time must also now be counting down with the agreement to electrify Gretz-Armainvilliers to Troyes and the Provins branch offering cascade opportunities should new rolling stock be obtained for the former.
 

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With the units apparently waiting to enter service, this could mean that France's last 2 100% loco-hauled Intercités operations go from diesel loco to unit as the staple traction within a couple of months.

If you mean PAR - Belfort and BOD - Nantes, what about Boulogne, which is also 100% loco?




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Thought Boulogne had gone over to units to be honest when Laon did... is there a clock ticking on Boulounge too?
 

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It went over to Regiolis, but then they put the locos back on again last year - don't know why!




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SNCF and logic do not always go together, but we won't complain too much! In the meantime one to also watch then.
 

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Am on 12.49 Paris St Lazare-Leharve, 15.58 Le Harve-Paris St Lazare, Tuesday 26th Sept, with 215031R loco for haulage return, is this an unusual loco and are they sought after, as don't know much about French locos.
 

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Am on 12.49 Paris St Lazare-Leharve, 15.58 Le Harve-Paris St Lazare, Tuesday 26th Sept, with 215031R loco for haulage return, is this an unusual loco and are they sought after, as don't know much about French locos.

No, not unusual. Quite popular with enthusiasts as it is not a huge class (65 built) and they are considered an attractive design. They won't be around for ever as they are now the oldest express electric locos in France, but they seem to be well liked, and are always well kept it seems.

The BB15000 were introduced in 1971 - 1978, as the ac only version of the SNCF B-B 'broken nose' family. For many years they worked only East of Paris, but the TGV Est freed them up to be used on the ac routes on the northern and western regions.

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Still 25500s available on rio stock out of Bucharest for Regiotrans. Pay on train and all very sociable.
 

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No, not unusual. Quite popular with enthusiasts as it is not a huge class (65 built) and they are considered an attractive design. They won't be around for ever as they are now the oldest express electric locos in France, but they seem to be well liked, and are always well kept it seems.

The BB15000 were introduced in 1971 - 1978, as the ac only version of the SNCF B-B 'broken nose' family. For many years they worked only East of Paris, but the TGV Est freed them up to be used on the ac routes on the northern and western regions.

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When they were working on Region East, those locs used to have the best reliability statistics of the whole SNCF traction pool.

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