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dp21

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A unit was on test today at Derby - 4th November. These look so much better than the crossrail units.

Thanks for sharing these images, I've been wondering when the first one would appear! I must say they do look good. Better than even the renders in my opinion.

If I am allowed to nitpick however, the fact that the interior of the light surround is still orange looks a bit rubbish. I think they'd also benefit from a strip of white above the windows (making the black a window band) as per the 378s, unless of course this is applied later as a vinyl, as I note that it is still devoid of the orange strip along the top of the blue bit.

Also interesting to see just how large the cab bulkhead appears to be, based on the distance between the window and the cab door, something that is masked quite well on the 345s.

The renders which were shown before didn't have a white band above so I'd be very very very surprised if this appears.

With regards the bulkhead I'd retain judgement until the interiors are seen as the saloon may extend a way beyond that window so the bulkhead may not be quite so thick. The 345s have doors immediately behind the cab so I think that's how it's disguised so well.
 

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I do like a unique looking train and I like the look of the 710, but is it just me or do the external doors (and on the 345) look quite outdated. The doors make the 710 look older than the 378 to me. Mainly because I think Electrostars do look very modern - although trust me, I'm not a 378 fan. I just think the 378 looks like it has been built more recently. Apart from the front end, although even the front end of a 378 looks quite new.
 

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I was just thinking that too. I think this must be a work in progress because the cameras, some stickers and the front skirt are also missing.

I would expect stickers to be missing at this stage, but the lack of cameras is odd. Presumably they'll be fitted in the rectangular area that seems to be slightly proud of the surface in your second photo, but that would seem quite low down compared with other stock.

The renders which were shown before didn't have a white band above so I'd be very very very surprised if this appears.

With regards the bulkhead I'd retain judgement until the interiors are seen as the saloon may extend a way beyond that window so the bulkhead may not be quite so thick. The 345s have doors immediately behind the cab so I think that's how it's disguised so well.

I looked up the renders after posting and you're right, looks like the black extends all the way up the body. And yes, the saloon does probably extend beyond that window by some distance, but it seems odd that they didn't then put in a smaller window or something. I wonder if they've gone for the maintenance friendly approach of a single window size for all?
 

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I would expect stickers to be missing at this stage, but the lack of cameras is odd. Presumably they'll be fitted in the rectangular area that seems to be slightly proud of the surface in your second photo, but that would seem quite low down compared with other stock.

I looked up the renders after posting and you're right, looks like the black extends all the way up the body. And yes, the saloon does probably extend beyond that window by some distance, but it seems odd that they didn't then put in a smaller window or something. I wonder if they've gone for the maintenance friendly approach of a single window size for all?

I think you're quite right with the window sizes looking at the photos. Quite the opposite to the craziness of the Desiros.
 

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I do like a unique looking train and I like the look of the 710, but is it just me or do the external doors (and on the 345) look quite outdated. The doors make the 710 look older than the 378 to me. Mainly because I think Electrostars do look very modern - although trust me, I'm not a 378 fan. I just think the 378 looks like it has been built more recently. Apart from the front end, although even the front end of a 378 looks quite new.
The circular windows on the doors remind me of Networker doors, which is probably why they seem older. I do like that design though.
 

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To me the 378s (and 700s) with their sliding doors look older!
 

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I agree that 700s look older than 387s but they certainly do not look older than the nasty decrepit 319s. Awful trains - should never have been built.
 

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Well - I don’t know but I can think of loads of rolling stock I’d rather travel on.

150/153/155/156/158/159/165/166/168/170/171/172/175/180/185/220/221/222/317/332/333/334/345/350/357/360/365 only just/373/374/375/376/377/378/379/380/390/395/442/444/450/455/456/458/460 (rip you beautiful trains)/700/707/800 etc

Yes I know that not all of those trains are suitable but it puts into perspective that just how many types of other rolling stock that I prefer there are out there.
 

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I agree that 700s look older than 387s but they certainly do not look older than the nasty decrepit 319s. Awful trains - should never have been built.
So you would prefer an infrequent 1st-gen DMU service only between St Pancras and Bedford?

Also there is very little difference between a 317 and 319.
 

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so, rather than discussing a teenagers favourite train, when is the first unit going to be seen in mainline testing?
 

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so, rather than discussing a teenagers favourite train, when is the first unit going to be seen in mainline testing?
Agreed.

Can people please try not to go off-topic? If you spot someone else go off-topic and want to reply to them, and there is no topic to discuss that matter, you can create a new thread with an appropriate title. If you copy & paste the quote to the new thread, the person you are replying to will be alerted automatically (if they have alerts enabled).
 

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I prefer the plug doors to the sliding doors found on the 378. I think they give a much cleaner profile and also do not take up valuable interior space for the door pockets.

Also looking at the photos I would say that the front nose moulding needs to be fitted before the unit can be considered complete. It will probably be the same design as the class 345 moulding.
 

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I must say they do look smart in those colours. Although I can see some complaints from some commuters with the loss of seating compared to the existing 3+2 315s.
 

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Much like one I overheard the other day on a 345. "Yeah I'm on one of the new ones.. <pause>, nah they're s**t, they've got the seats like on the overground"
At the time the train being fully laden, the transverse seats were obscured from view.

Nonetheless, boarding a peak time 315 at Stratford immediately tells you why it is how it is. Seeing the load levels on LO services opposite me when I depart Liverpool Street for the evening it is similarly appropriate for those routes too.

Has an actual seating plan for the 710/1 been published yet?
 

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Much like one I overheard the other day on a 345. "Yeah I'm on one of the new ones.. <pause>, nah they're s**t, they've got the seats like on the overground"
At the time the train being fully laden, the transverse seats were obscured from view.

Nonetheless, boarding a peak time 315 at Stratford immediately tells you why it is how it is. Seeing the load levels on LO services opposite me when I depart Liverpool Street for the evening it is similarly appropriate for those routes too.

Has an actual seating plan for the 710/1 been published yet?

But definitely not appropriate for the Western end, where there is a significant flow from intermediate stations to London, with journey times of around an hour.
 

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Why not? Reading, Twyford and Maidenhead can and will make use of Oxford services (or IEP from Reading), so the furthest out from the centre that are forced onto 345s will be Taplow, 34 minutes from Paddington - that's entirely reasonable and proportionate with the Eastern end - Brentwood to Liverpool Street is 36 minutes.
 

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That livery does look good and follows the rough TfL standard pattern (with some variation). The Elizabeth Line looks like white with someone going mad with some vinyls.
 

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On the GOBLIN, I think a transverse seating arrangement will be a massive bonus. People seem totally used to that with the 378's on the North London Line. Peak times on the 172's at the moment are absolutely horrendous. I thought I read somewhere that the new trains will start testing early in the new year. No units down in London yet tho'...
 

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Yes, as a result it also seems odd to me that the trains into Euston have only longitudinal seats, whereas the S8, which continues around the inner circle, has some transverse ones

Because the S8s are used by people for some quite long regional journeys that are more like Thameslink than the Tube, i.e. Amersham etc?

Would be interesting to see where most of the passengers arriving at Euston on LO actually came from and whether people typically change to/from LM at Harrow from the outer stations to shorten the journey. I can see why the Watford LO stock should perhaps be the same as the S8s.
 

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What do you suppose was built then?

The 319s, 150s and all the other Mk3-based DMUs and EMUs have been solid workhorses and continue to be so, but the window/seat arrangement that gives no seats a good view (in original layout) does leave a lot to be desired. Mind you, the Thameslink low-density 2+2 layout solves this on the airline side.
 

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i was regular commuter on the Lea Valley lines until 2011 and all we got was cast of's sao nice to see some new stock at lasat on this busy cummuter service ( although i will not benifit). Even when other franchises were refurbishing stock all we got was a cheap refresh, and before anyone mentions the 317/6's they were refurbished by WAGN for KX to Peterboro. On the plus side the 317's and 315's have done well on such an intensive service
 

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So you would prefer an infrequent 1st-gen DMU service only between St Pancras and Bedford?

Also there is very little difference between a 317 and 319.
There is a world of difference in construction, the 319 is a through gangwayed version of the 321.
 

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There is a world of difference in construction, the 319 is a through gangwayed version of the 321.
There is very little difference in the passenger experience of a 14 year old.
 

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Passenger experience is "Bums on Seats". Technology is the unseen asspects.
If it were purely passenger experience we would still be with Stephensons Rocket as passengers then were happy
 

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