We (In the UK) see a country that doesn't really know what to do next (Or at least some of us do and we never wanted to be in this situation in the first place).We (in Netherlands) see a country that does not really know what to do next.
We (In the UK) see a country that doesn't really know what to do next (Or at least some of us do and we never wanted to be in this situation in the first place).We (in Netherlands) see a country that does not really know what to do next.
BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42249854
The government has not carried out any impact assessments of leaving the EU on the UK economy, Brexit Secretary David Davis has told MPs.
Mr Davis said the usefulness of such assessments would be "near zero" because of the scale of change Brexit is likely to cause.
He said the government had produced a "sectoral analysis" of different industries but not a "forecast" of what would happen when the UK leaves the EU.
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When Mr Benn suggested this was "strange", the minister said formal assessments were not needed to know that "regulatory hurdles" would have an impact, describing Brexit as a "paradigm change" of similar impact to the financial crash, which could not be predicted.
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Third, Mr Davis probably didn't help his own reputation by telling the committee he had been handed two chapters of the 850 pages of analysis but hadn't read them. At times Mr Davis even chided the committee over the time they were taking.
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Third, Mr Davis probably didn't help his own reputation by telling the committee he had been handed two chapters of the 850 pages of analysis but hadn't read them. At times Mr Davis even chided the committee over the time they were taking.
sigh
isnt hindsight wonderful!! Anyway, we are where we are now and just have to get on with it.
In a further Kafkaesque moment it turns out that not only is there no Brexit impact assessment but the government hasn't even had a chat about what the final Brexit landscape should look like!
aye - if only some one knew what it was or how to start getting on with it!
Interstingly , I note that there is provision for the UK to withdraw its resignation notice.
Can't see the government backing out now. They won't change their mind about leaving the customs union or single market, they won't entertain being reminded that the referendum was advisory, they won't go against the 2% margin of the leave vote. Their determination to go for a car crash in spite of all warnings (from BOTH sides) is resolute.
Can't see this government backing out now. ...
Indeed.....unless an unforeseen event happens between now and March 2019. Id be interested to see what peoples views are on what an unforeseen event would be that stops the Brexit process in its tracks and returns us to the status quo.
Would that be the nice Mr Corbyn who believes in Brexit?Defeat in a no-confidence motion and imminence of a Corbyn-led election victory.
When it looks like the pain to their friends will be too much, they will pull back from political suicide and (try to) make it look like a good idea.
But who also believes in free movement, the Single Market and the Customs Union.Would that be the nice Mr Corbyn who believes in Brexit?
As long as May sees it as far more important to keep her noisy right-wing Brexiteers happy, whatever harm that might do to the country whose benefit she is entrusted with looking after, then the car-crash is inevitable—especially as there is no clear alternative policy on offer from queenie's loyal opposition. Why is May so in thrall to her old-fashioned right-wing Little Englanders when (from what we have been told — it's hard to know what her own principles are, or if she has any at all) her own views may well be rather different?Can't see the government backing out now. They won't change their mind about leaving the customs union or single market, they won't entertain being reminded that the referendum was advisory, they won't go against the 2% margin of the leave vote. Their determination to go for a car crash in spite of all warnings (from BOTH sides) is resolute.
Defeat in a no-confidence motion and imminence of a Corbyn-led election victory.
Would that be the nice Mr Corbyn who believes in Brexit?
Just add ECJ to the list and you have a full house of EU membership!But who also believes in free movement, the Single Market and the Customs Union.
Just add ECJ to the list and you have a full house of EU membership!
So he doesn't believe in Brexit then.
But you just said that he did? Are you saying that your post was ill-researched?Just add ECJ to the list and you have a full house of EU membership!
So he doesn't believe in Brexit then.
But you just said that he did? Are you saying that your post was ill-researched?
Only available if you allow your country to be absorbed into the European project which will inexorably lead to a United States of Europe.A Tory politician co-drafted the European Convention on Human Rights (Maxwell-Fyfe).
A Tory politician co-created the Single Market (Cockfield).
UK has entirely red-tape-free, tariff-free access to the largest market on the planet. A free trade ideal. Any economic liberal should be ecstatic with this.
And the UK is throwing it all away.
I despair. I really do.
Is it so different to Theresa May, who has always been pro-EU, voted Remain, and now she has the key to No.10, is intent on driving the country over a cliff?He has a track record of being anti EU. Now YOU tell me he believes in accepting the major planks of EU membership. Maybe he will say anything to get power (such as ending student loans and writing off all student debt, a cool unfunded gbp100bn to you and me).
Over which we had a veto.Only available if you allow your country to be absorbed into the European project which will inexorably lead to a United States of Europe.
No thanks, I will go for trade with the other 90% of the world as an independent sovereign country.
Yes, which we would increasingly have had to use.Over which we had a veto.
Couldn't agree more. Put a remainer in charge and that's what you get.Is it so different to Theresa May, who has always been pro-EU, voted Remain, and now she has the key to No.10, is intent on driving the country over a cliff?
In fact, we would never have had to use it:Yes, which we would increasingly have had to use.
When you are the only club member consistently vetoing, you have to ask what is the point of membership.
Better we leave now and save everybody the pain.
"It is recognised that the United Kingdom, in the light of the specific situation it has under the Treaties, is not committed to further political integration into the European Union. The substance of this will be incorporated into the Treaties at the time of their next revision in accordance with the relevant provisions of the Treaties and the respective constitutional requirements of the Member States, so as to make it clear that the references to ever closer union do not apply to the United Kingdom."
Same difference really. A "United" States of Europe of 27 countries + the UK.In fact, we would never have had to use it:
furnessvale so what do you actually want?
To trade solely under WTO rules?
Can you name any other country that does this, especially one with an economy as big as the UK?