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I think that it should be legal in the UK for cyclists to go the wrong way down a one way street, they can in Holland & Germany

Why?

The last thing I want when driving down a one way street is a load of cyclists coming at me the other way, particularly as alot of one way streets are quite narrow. In any case, if a cyclist is that bothered, why not hop off and walk the bike down the one way street?

Or is it just another case of cyclists not wanting current traffic laws to apply to them?
 

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I often cycle down a one way street. Don't really see the problem, and it saves me about 5 minutes.
 

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But when theres an empty pavement on a 40 road they should be a little considerate of us that want to do 40. And we pay road tax :-P that ought to ruffle a few feathers... but considering the amount we pay (ridiculous really) it should be our right to be able to get to decent speeds without cyclists blocking a lane and not wearing any hi-vis on a blind bend...

I'm going to get abused for this, but I agree with you... to an extent.

Cyclists can be, I find, pretty annoying on some roads. I've been on plenty where their presence is actually pretty stupid. Tailbacks, stupid overtaking and collisions (whilst, admittedly, only one of them is the cyclist's "fault") can occur, so maybe they should move onto the pavement in some cases. It ain't fun on a windy coast road with blind bends being stuck behind 3 swerving cyclists at <20mph with a huge queue of traffic behind you. (Largs to Skelmorlie is one horrendous example). Thankfully, only a few really arrogant cyclists crawl past the lay-bays in this situation.

I'm not saying cyclists shouldn't be on roads (I can think of only one where their presence is "dangerous", and this is a pretty horrific road for just about anyone) and I'm not saying that they should be restricted, but getting out of the way of cars from time to time would just be courteous. I also think they should be forced by law to wear (if they are not already) at least an element of hi-vis clothing, more for their own safety than that of others. It can be hard to see them at night.

And, as I've said earlier, perhaps cyclists should be reminded that they can't go through red lights? I've seen plenty of near-accidents in the West End of Glasgow caused by this. (Junction of Byers Road and Great Western Road is horrendous).

It's too easy, of course, to blame the cyclists. As I've said, many car drivers behave stupidly around cyclists and pose a threat to themselves and others. Indeed, as I've said, many people overtake cyclists on blind bends which is dangerous for everyone, and that is not the cyclists fault at all. But maybe the cyclists should clear the road, if possible, once in a while.
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Why not get a smaller car?

And to take it further, if it is draining you, why have a car - it's not essential and the majority of people on the planet will never own a car, so you can live without.

I happen to know roughly where LesJordans lives, and believe me he needs a car for a lot of journeys. Nearest train station's a good bit away, buses are quite poor and unreliable and, for most journeys, I wouldn't think a feasible public transport option exists.

Indeed, I have a car and I am glad to do so. I don't drive it to Glasgow or Airdrie for example (I have great public transport options for them), but to go to, for example, Largs, Hamilton, some of my hospital placements or anywhere in an emergency, the car wins hands down.

To get to Hamilton by train, I need to rely on either an infrequent train service (about 5tpd), a 29 minute connection (possibly 59 in the other direction) when there's no direct option, or a bus that takes 2 hours plus and goes in and out of every scheme. Driving takes 20 minutes and is a much more preferable option. To get to Largs, I have a long transfer in Glasgow Central, and let's consider that the Largs train follows a rather convoluted route. It's all possible, yes, but I do have other things to do like trying to get a medical degree. Wasting and additional three hours of my life going to Largs just to be "green" (and yes, that's how much extra it would take allowing for transfers in both direction) can actually be pretty bad for me.

And for VED, I'm not sure if you're aware that older smaller cars still pay high prices because they're not "green", but with the insurance required for a young male motorists, I'm sure you'll appreciate that it's often a far more sensible option than buying a new car with £35 VED.
 
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me123 - how can I possibly take that post seriously when you moan at cyclists going through red lights because they are not allowed to, yet you actually suggest that they go on the pavement, which they are also not allowed to?

I've already argued the reasons why I disagree with the absurd point that LesJordans made which I am astounded you agree with so I won't go there again.

Your post is a daft rant that contradicts itself and seems to be mostly going on about car drivers behaving badly and suggesting the solution is for cyclists to be off the roads - absurd!
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I hate to be this forward but I own A moped so I have a little more contact with cyclists and In majority I believe there idiots.For example yesterday I overtook one whilst approaching a T junction but with a clear road and with enough time to correct my position ready for my left turn off the junction I pulled up and gave way to passing traffic.
This idiot cyclist decided to overtake me whilst I was giving way to traffic at a junction even though a had started to pull off clearly not displaying any road awareness.
Now at this point I know the rules and what not and I usually know to chill out and not get annoyed so I opened my visor and just said "excuse me what do you think your doing" which was in my annoyance replied with "doing a better job on two wheels than you" so I thought sod it and followed right behind him for about 30 seconds continuously beeping at him till he stop and stuck the middle finger up.

The lesson here is don't give a cyclist an inch cause they will always take a mile.
Well he is not the one that is the "idiot" (your words).

You admit overtaking a cyclists before immediately turning left? That's a no-no.

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"DO NOT overtake where you might come into conflict with other road users. For example
  • approaching or at a road junction on either side of the road"
So you disobeyed the highway code. No wonder he said what he said.

You then admit intimidating behaviour by "followed right behind him for about 30 seconds continuously beeping at him"

The Highway code says

"The horn. Use only while your vehicle is moving and you need to warn other road users of your presence. Never sound your horn aggressively."

So, you admit to breaking the highway code TWICE, and yet call others "idiots"? That's incredible.

What part of "DO NOT" don't you understand? Do you think it means "DO?"!

The "lesson" is actually that you should read and understand and obey the highway code yourself!
 
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me123 - how can I possibly take that post seriously when you moan at cyclists going through red lights because they are not allowed to, yet you actually suggest that they go on the pavement, which they are also not allowed to?

I've already argued the reasons why I disagree with the absurd point that LesJordans made which I am astounded you agree with so I won't go there again.

Your post is a daft rant that contradicts itself and seems to be mostly going on about car drivers behaving badly and suggesting the solution is for cyclists to be off the roads - absurd!
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Well he is not the one that is the "idiot" (your words).

You admit overtaking a cyclists before immediately turning left? That's a no-no.

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"DO NOT overtake where you might come into conflict with other road users. For example
  • approaching or at a road junction on either side of the road"
So you disobeyed the highway code. No wonder he said what he said.

You then admit intimidating behaviour by "followed right behind him for about 30 seconds continuously beeping at him"

The Highway code says

"The horn. Use only while your vehicle is moving and you need to warn other road users of your presence. Never sound your horn aggressively."

So, you admit to breaking the highway code TWICE, and yet call others "idiots"? That's incredible.

What part of "DO NOT" don't you understand? Do you think it means "DO?"!

The "lesson" is actually that you should read and understand and obey the highway code yourself!

I didn't say immediately did I?
As I had enough time to over take correct myself back into the lane properly and slow down to give way to traffic.
If I said those words exactly then I apologize and correct my statement but my quarrel was between me and another road user who I respected until being completely disrespected and not being funny but I like this forum when I'm not being jumped on especially by moderators.
If I choose to act in a disrespectful way to another road user due to him causing me direct annoyance it's called road rage and regardless of whether it was wrong or right I did and was quite proud of it because he needed knocking down a few pegs.

Sorry for the addition but just checked and I didn't say Straight away in my previous post so I didnt break the first rule you posted but I did break the second one but considering he overtook me whilst I was giving way at a T junction and after I questioned him Verbally abused me then well Lucky I didn't get off my bike really.
 

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Yes it is called road rage and you should be ashamed not proud!

If you were approaching a junction you should not overtake it's as simple as that.

Did you allow as much space as you would a car? Did you move in a long way ahead of the cyclist? If you did these things then you were, arguably, not "approaching" the junction at all, yet you said you were. How long before the junction were you?

You talk about arrogance, but there's nothing more arrogant than a road user overtaking a cyclist only to stop in front of them, or turn left in front of them.

The fact that he was able to overtake you kind of suggests that it was pointless you overtaking him, does it not?

No excuse for the aggressive use of the horn and being proud? that's not right.
 

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Yes it is called road rage and you should be ashamed not proud!

If you were approaching a junction you should not overtake it's as simple as that.

Did you allow as much space as you would a car? Did you move in a long way ahead of the cyclist? If you did these things then you were, arguably, not "approaching" the junction at all, yet you said you were. How long before the junction were you?

You talk about arrogance, but there's nothing more arrogant than a road user overtaking a cyclist only to stop in front of them, or turn left in front of them.

The fact that he was able to overtake you kind of suggests that it was pointless you overtaking him, does it not?

No excuse for the aggressive use of the horn and being proud? that's not right.

To be honest I will sit here and admit what I did was wrong but I wanna get it straight Yorkie that when I overtook him I gave him the same procedure I would with a car because I value my life and wouldn't go close to him.
And also I did have enough time to overtake as I had enough time to overtake fully and stop in a normal manner to give way at the junction which for some reason your not acknowledging.
Also can you do me a favor and read the posts im putting up because I said he overtook me whilst I was stopped at a junction giving way to traffic thereby cutting in front just before I was about to pull off (not giving me the same respect I gave him when I overtook him at 30Mph whilst he was doing much less)

But as for my road rage I admit that it was stupid and arrogant and whatever you may call it but being overtaken on a junction whilst about to pull out then the cyclist having the cheek to insult me well all I can say Yorkie is go try that and see how many times you get verbally assaulted or even physically.


Yorkie this conversation is always going to end up with me being the bad guy and I choose that route and I'm still happy about it cause I felt it was right but as a moderator please read what is wrote on here because although im arrogant (or whatever) I did follow the rules and I didn't cause this incident.
 

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You may have followed the Highway Code with the first thing, but your initial post suggested otherwise. Unless you give a distance it can only be speculation, and even then it would be subjective. What I would say is that what you think is enough space may not be what he thinks is enough space. Clearly, by his reaction, he felt it was not enough space.

As for him pulling off, you do contradict by saying you were "giving way" and you were also "about to pull out". Ideally only one vehicle should turn a corner at a junction at one time but it is a fact that often another vehicle will make a turn at the same time as another where one is narrow, such as a bike. Where you have 2 bikes side by side, while not ideal, if they are both going the same way and both aware of that, there shouldn't be a problem providing it's done sensibly. Obviously it's difficult to judge this particular incident as I can only go by what you have posted.

But what is really wrong is using the horn aggressively and you said in a subsequent post that you would do so again, and then said you were proud of it. Now you admit it was wrong, but then go on to say you are "happy" at what you did. Admitting it was wrong is a start, but I'm not going to agree with you that using the horn aggressively is something to be "happy with" or "proud" of. If you want to think that, then I can't stop you, and we'll have to agree to disagree.
 

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You may have followed the Highway Code with the first thing, but your initial post suggested otherwise. Unless you give a distance it can only be speculation, and even then it would be subjective. What I would say is that what you think is enough space may not be what he thinks is enough space. Clearly, by his reaction, he felt it was not enough space.

As for him pulling off, you do contradict by saying you were "giving way" and you were also "about to pull out". Ideally only one vehicle should turn a corner at a junction at one time but it is a fact that often another vehicle will make a turn at the same time as another where one is narrow, such as a bike. Where you have 2 bikes side by side, while not ideal, if they are both going the same way and both aware of that, there shouldn't be a problem providing it's done sensibly. Obviously it's difficult to judge this particular incident as I can only go by what you have posted.

But what is really wrong is using the horn aggressively and you said in a subsequent post that you would do so again, and then said you were proud of it. Now you admit it was wrong, but then go on to say you are "happy" at what you did. Admitting it was wrong is a start, but I'm not going to agree with you that using the horn aggressively is something to be "happy with" or "proud" of. If you want to think that, then I can't stop you, and we'll have to agree to disagree.

Okay fair enough let's be honest here I don't wanna continue to diagrre with someone over the internet as these thing take way too long.
But all I will say is that My overtaking was done in a respectful lawful manner as I had no trouble stopping slowly after for the junction.
Also I felt they way addressed this fellow when he was pushing through the queue was also fair and lawful.
The rest of what I did was wrong and but I am happy with this because the alternative would be to let someone get away not only being rude but causing danger to me because I was about to move off.
I didn't assault him I plainly just annoyed and shocked him because I knew within my own judgment he could handle this and as it goes "Don't give it if you can't take it"

But if you understand my point of view or not Yorkie it's safe to say we should leave this as both of us are clearly getting annoyed about the situation and are opposite sides of this spectrum.
 

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Okay fair enough let's be honest here I don't wanna continue to diagrre with someone over the internet as these thing take way too long.
we can agree to disagree ;)
But all I will say is that My overtaking was done in a respectful lawful manner as I had no trouble stopping slowly after for the junction.
Also I felt they way addressed this fellow when he was pushing through the queue was also fair and lawful.
Ahh, so it's about you not liking him "queue jumping". But earlier you said you overtook him as you were both approaching a junction. By saying he was "queue jumping" it kind of suggests that you thought it was your 'right' to be at the front of the queue, but you were only at the front by overtaking on the approach to the junction, which the Highway Code says you "must not" do.

An analogy may be a runner overtaking a walker, then both of them stopping at a crossing, then the walker steps on to the crossing first, and the runner accusing them of queue jumping and an argument developing over that.

The rest of what I did was wrong and but I am happy with this because the alternative would be to let someone get away not only being rude but causing danger to me because I was about to move off.
I didn't assault him I plainly just annoyed and shocked him because I knew within my own judgment he could handle this and as it goes "Don't give it if you can't take it"

But if you understand my point of view or not Yorkie it's safe to say we should leave this as both of us are clearly getting annoyed about the situation and are opposite sides of this spectrum.
Well, we'll agree to disagree then. I agree with the Highway Code saying that horns "must not be used aggressively" and you don't. So we'll leave it at that!
 

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I drive, and frankly, I would be disgusted if somebody persisted to beep their horn at me for 30 seconds! It seems rather childish, and the guy who said he was doing a better job on the roads simply had his point confirmed by this act, surely?
 

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Yes, Yorkie and Max are right, you shouldn't do that.;)


By yorkie, youre in an especially argumentative mood tonight!:p
 

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As a person who cycles for exercise, I thought I'd add my 2 cents.

My cycling style is adhering to the same laws as cars (I don't have to worry about speeding since my average flat road speed is about 15 mph), I constantly feel threatened by cars and if I don't feel like going through a large junction, I'll find some excuse to roll onto the pavement and dismount. If for some reason I do find myself pavement bound, I'll usually walk, but if it's entirely empty, I'll cycle slowly if I don't think it's posing anybody any risk.

On the subject of cycle lanes, I'll always try to use them wherever possible. Sometimes it's slightly irritating when they end in stupid places, like in the middle of a duel carriageway.

Personally, I don't worry about car finance. Really, I should be learning to drive this year as I'm 17, but since the majority of car accidents involve young males, that puts insurance costs through the roof. No thanks, I'll wait till I've got a full time paid job. Not to mention I'm applying to universities in either large cities or Cambridge, which is essentially a large bike lane. I think I'm actually quite lucky living in an area which is very well served by buses and trains.
 

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Yes, Yorkie and Max are right, you shouldn't do that.;)


By yorkie, youre in an especially argumentative mood tonight!:p

That's why I gave up plus now I admitted my wrong actions im clearly not liked by anyone who cycles :oops: doesn't really surprise me I was abit silly but oh well not much I can do about it now.
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I drive, and frankly, I would be disgusted if somebody persisted to beep their horn at me for 30 seconds! It seems rather childish, and the guy who said he was doing a better job on the roads simply had his point confirmed by this act, surely?

Sorry just looked at this and although once again I did something wrong I admit but im surprised that yet another moderator see's it fit to completely by-pass the rest of the facts just to knock me down a peg or two.
Sorry I don't mean this personal but really it's all abit one sided.
 

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Sorry just looked at this and although once again I did something wrong I admit but im surprised that yet another moderator see's it fit to completely by-pass the rest of the facts just to knock me down a peg or two.
Sorry I don't mean this personal but really it's all abit one sided.
What facts have been bypassed?

As for it being one-sided, well if anyone else wants to post saying they agree with using a horn aggressively, we are not stopping them doing so...

The fact that no-one else seems to agree with it, rather suggests that it is not considered acceptable behaviour. Call that "one-sided" if you want, but that's only to be expected.
 

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KK then here is the following

By Max "and the guy who said he was doing a better job on the roads simply had his point confirmed by this act, surely" so even though this was offensive to me and at this point I had done nothing wrong apprently I deserved that didn't I so there is biased qoute #1


By Yorkie "Ahh, so it's about you not liking him "queue jumping". But earlier you said you overtook him as you were both approaching a junction. By saying he was "queue jumping" it kind of suggests that you thought it was your 'right' to be at the front of the queue, but you were only at the front by overtaking on the approach to the junction, which the Highway Code says you "must not" do"

Ill explain clearly to see if you get what happened I was driving alone a straight road and at about 100 yards before the T junction I overtook a cycle succesfully then proceeded towards the junction then stopped to give way by the time the cars had passed I was about to go and the cycle came about from my right side and overtook me whilst I was about to enter a new road.

so I clearly didn't do anything wrong but even after explaining over and over you find it fit to criticize me on aspects other than my road rage.
I'm honestly getting fed up with this one because clearly because you are pro cyclist you wont admit that I was in the right until I decided to play the fool.


So if I can admit what I did with consideration to my road rage was wrong why doesn't someone see some common sense and credit me with the fact my driving was not the spark to this situation it was yet another bad mannered cyclist assuming because he hasn't got an engine that he is defenseless and no one will have a go back.
 

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I wouldn't have said the guy was particularly offensive? Maybe if he'd been genuinely abusive towards you, but he was only giving his opinion. If he said the exact words you quoted him as saying it sounds almost light hearted. Maybe you just need to lighten up a bit, or at least keep your feelings to yourself, especially on the roads, where outburts of anger can easily end in tragedy. And I hardly bypassed the facts, just commented on one aspect of your story.
 

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Maybe you just need to lighten up a bit, or at least keep your feelings to yourself.

Maybe you and Yorkie need to start acting like moderators again rather than trying your hardest to be correct all of the time so before I get myself booted off this forum I'm gonna just leave this I suggest you leave this too considering you just offended me.
 
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me123 - how can I possibly take that post seriously when you moan at cyclists going through red lights because they are not allowed to, yet you actually suggest that they go on the pavement, which they are also not allowed to?

I've seen many people nearly have a car accident by overtaking cyclists. The accidents are, of course, not their fault. But I strongly feel that they should clear out of the way from time to time on certain roads to prevent this. Why? Because innocent motorists coming in the opposite direction can be affected and because the cyclists can also be injured. I'm not saying remove cyclists, but maybe they should clear out of the way from cars from time to time. It's courtesy that slow traffic in general does that. (Tractors pull into laybays, for example).

I'm not saying mount a pavement in London City Centre, which would be dangerous. I have one or two particular roads in mind where cyclists are a major problem. And mounting the pavement and stopping to let cars through is often the safest option if they're not near a passing place/parking place.

Now, I'd be a hypocrite if I didn't admit that cyclists sometimes annoy me, but I do respect their right to be on the road and they do have every right to be there.

It must be nice to live in a little utopia, where everything is black and white. But wake up, Yorkie. The police do not go out beating up people on a daily basis, neither are they a perfect force that does everything right 100% of the time. Trainspotters are not always innocent victims of outrageous police brutality when they are asked to leave a station. And a surprisingly large number of road users are impatient morons who will risk other people's lives just to bypass a slow cyclist, and they will never be removed from the road.
 

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I've seen many people nearly have a car accident by overtaking cyclists. The accidents are, of course, not their fault. But I strongly feel that they should clear out of the way from time to time on certain roads to prevent this.
Ridiculous! You admit it's not their fault, so why don't you blame the people whose fault it is then, and ask them to correct their bad behaviour instead of asking cyclists to give up their rights?
Why? Because innocent motorists coming in the opposite direction can be affected and because the cyclists can also be injured.
Which is why dangerous overtaking should NOT be done. So why don't you have a go at the people who do it instead of having a go at cyclists?:roll:
I'm not saying remove cyclists, but maybe they should clear out of the way from cars from time to time. It's courtesy that slow traffic in general does that. (Tractors pull into laybays, for example).
Do you think that the cars that gridlock my city on a daily basis making average speeds about walking pace should do the same and pull aside to let cyclists past? Or is that "different"?

I'm not saying mount a pavement in London City Centre, which would be dangerous. I have one or two particular roads in mind where cyclists are a major problem.
Cyclists are the problem? No, it's the dangerous motorists who overtake in contravention of the Highway Code are the problem.
And mounting the pavement and stopping to let cars through is often the safest option if they're not near a passing place/parking place.
No, it's illegal and a totally daft suggestion. cyclists have the right to use the road, and you can't deny that right.

Now, I'd be a hypocrite if I didn't admit that cyclists sometimes annoy me, but I do respect their right to be on the road and they do have every right to be there.
Do you respect that right? You just said they should be on the pavement in some places!
It must be nice to live in a little utopia, where everything is black and white. But wake up, Yorkie. The police do not go out beating up people on a daily basis, neither are they a perfect force that does everything right 100% of the time. Trainspotters are not always innocent victims of outrageous police brutality when they are asked to leave a station.
That's just a general rant with no actual point to it, not relevant to this discussion.
And a surprisingly large number of road users are impatient morons who will risk other people's lives just to bypass a slow cyclist, and they will never be removed from the road.
Why is the solution for cyclists to go on the pavement? Surely the solution is to stop these "dangerous morons" from driving?
 

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Quick tuppence worth here ....

Why should cyclists have to obey laws when the leader of the Conservative Party has shown that traffic laws and the highway code doesn't apply to him? With such a role model, why should cyclists do any different?
 

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Phoenix - if you passed the cyclist leaving him/her plenty of room and had time to correct your road position before reaching the junction then I believed you acted quite reasonably
 

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Slightly changing the subject. The government are very keen to get people back on bikes. I used to be a keen cyclist myself, before I was knocked off twice, nether time my fault and on one occasion I spent a week in hospital. Anyway, I strongly believe that if the government want to get people on bikes they need to start spending money on cycling lanes, and preferably separate cycle paths. I'd like to see some roads closed off to everyone but cyclists and residents only too - though I'm sure that would upset some people.

With a bike/rail combo, you could actually get traffic congestion down quite a bit and go some way to solving the need for diets/obesity. I wouldn't suggest that anyone take up cycling until paths are put in, because there are many idiots on the road that just do not see bikes - trucks are the worst.
 

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Phoenix - if you passed the cyclist leaving him/her plenty of room and had time to correct your road position before reaching the junction then I believed you acted quite reasonably
But equally if the cyclist gave him plenty of room to also make the turn then he acted reasonably too.

And when you say he acted reasonably, does beeping the horn aggressively and repeatedly count as reasonable behaviour?
 

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But equally if the cyclist gave him plenty of room to also make the turn then he acted reasonably too.

And when you say he acted reasonably, does beeping the horn aggressively and repeatedly count as reasonable behaviour?

Once again Yorkie completely bypassing the events leading up to the beeping because simply you cannot justify this specific cyclist being a rubbish road user.
Seriously if you can't get past that don't try posting against me because I have held my hands up and admitted that I was stupid with my road rage so going on about it wont make the cyclists actions less incompetent.
 

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But your argument against him was that he was "queue jumping", which is quite staggering given that you overtook him shortly before a junction!

Any chance of seeing this junction on Bing Maps or Google Maps? I'd be particularly interested to see if there's an ASL there.
 

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But your argument against him was that he was "queue jumping", which is quite staggering given that you overtook him shortly before a junction!

Any chance of seeing this junction on Bing Maps or Google Maps? I'd be particularly interested to see if there's an ASL there.


It wasn't shortly considering im not dead and neither is he so I must have done something right.
I have told you over and over Yorkie that my overtaking was done safely and with enough time to correct my position and slowly slow down.
In future don't just read the posts actually take them in because everyone seems to be able to.
And I'm not going to show you the junction as it's a pedantic waste of mine and your time what you can do is print off everything I have said read it carefully then come back to me because the only facts your rolling off is.

1.Your overtook him in a bad manner WRONG.
2.Your really mean for beeping at him Correct.
 
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