Statto
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Quite a few cancellations this morning, Liverpool services badly affected trains after the 07.25 Newcastle, apparently due to person being hit by a train.
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TransPennine Express North Route, New Timetable
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That's right, RTT is saying person hit by train, rather than simply 'incident'.
I'm finding it difficult to establish which train was involved. The 0702 Wigan - Liverpool (via NLW) seems to have been slowed about 0715 (but then permitted to continue into Earlestown), yet the first eastbound train to be affected was apparently the 0703 Liverpool - Warrington, which was stopped at Rainhill at 0724.
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According to local media, the incident is at Rainhill. It looks to be the Warrington train subsequently been taken back to Allerton. Assume the Wigan -> Liverpool slowed to allow the TPE service to empty at Earlestown.
Thoughts to all those involved, as the local media now confirming the worst.
I noticed the cautious approaches to stations too, along with the front cars being quieter.
At Batley, Ravensthorpe and Mirfield, 'S' stop markers have been placed at the forwardmost point on the platforms. So at Batley heading west for example the unit will stop as far foward as possible. This might explain the front cars not being as busy.
I have to say I haven't noticed the S car stop boards so will have to look harder from them next time I am out! Regarding the front coach, even at Leeds, people were walking to the front coach and then walking back again (before it was unlocked). Being a Sunday and possibly due to people being used to what a naff service the stopper has been frequency wise, there weren't many board along the way. I think I saw one person at Cottingley, same at Batley with a couple at Morley. There were maybe half a dozen looked to be waiting at Dewsbury and I don't recall seeing anyone waiting at Ravensthorpe
But how could anyone at 0715 have known there was going to be an incident at 0724?
61653 HTAFC
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It wouldn't surprise me if some people have assumed that the PIS is playing up because they weren't expecting a "nice" train, and then don't board!
As for Ravensthorpe, no passengers is par for the course!
I think it's the ORR which should have done that, the same ORR which has decreed that fencing of lines with a reasonably high speed limit must be "unclimbable", meaning unsightly and expensive 6'6" high steel palisade fencing.
mike57
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Sat at York waiting for a delayed 15:45 to Seamer, going to miss my connection home yet again. All TPE services are delayed to some degree. As a regular user timetable change is a disaster. They won't go back to the old timetable so how will they sort it or will it just carry on like this.
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Statto
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The incident at Rainhill ended up a fatality with knock on effect for most of the afternoon with trains delayed & terminating short.
Gareth Marston
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Absolutely nothing to do with timetable changes. Lots of people adding 2 plus 2 and getting 5.
I've had people coming in booking office stressed out and in meltdown because they've heard the timetable has changed and everything is late.......only problem is I'm in Mid Wales and everything between Birmingham and Aberystwyth is running to the same tt as before....
How is terminating at Piccadilly at short notice going to work now, as they can’t just hang around at the buffer ends of the bays until the departure time now?
I see TPE are being absolutely bombarded with complaints about the service reliability on twitter! It really isn’t good enough to be honest and the excuses are even worse. What we have is a timetable that’s about as robust as a chocolate fire guard.
nr758123
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The new timetable doesn't work well for Greenfield commuters, though it has to be said the service provided has so far borne little resemblance to the published timetable. This is the result. The photo is of the Saddleworth Rangers car park at Greenfield station, at noon today. It's normally almost full, as are the surrounding streets.
When TPEs franchise made reference to promoting modal shift, it was assumed it meant getting people out of their cars an on to the train, not the other way round.
When TPEs franchise made reference to promoting modal shift, it was assumed it meant getting people out of their cars an on to the train, not the other way round.
sjoh
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Without meaning to sound flippant, this is one of the biggest national timetable changes in over 70 years. i think it's a little unfair to be making sweeping judgements on its reliability and performance after only 3 days. Sure I could copy and paste the exact same into about 4 currently active threads on the subject.
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Ah but no massive new timetable has ever hit teething problems before. Nasty privatised railway.
Only criticism is driver shortages. Which does not affect tpe.
Only criticism is driver shortages. Which does not affect tpe.
sjoh
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But it does affect Northern, which has a direct knock-on effect to TPE.
nr758123
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Some of TPEs cancellations and part-cancellations have been attributed to driver shortage.
TransPennine Express were stone dead last yesterday for overall PPM. The North service group, which we are discussing here, had a PPM of just 32%. 36% of trains were cancelled or ran 30 or more minutes late.
If this performance isn't poor enough to warrant questions being asked, nothing is.
32% PPM is so poor as to be an embarrassment regardless of what circumstances caused it.
Bantamzen
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Its not flippant at all. Whilst the first 2 days performance figures have been very poor, and TPE need to learn from it for December & beyond, there have been a number of factors inside & out of their control, including drivers having to learn the new stopping points when they would have had close to zero opportunity to do so before Sunday. I don't know what drivers think, but I imagine that when you are used to only making infrequent calls suddenly being asked to make considerably more on some services requires a learning curve for breaking, acceleration etc.
Looking at today's timings so far there seems to be a significant improvement on the first two days so far, it will be interesting to see how far they can recover in the next few days and subsequent weeks.
61653 HTAFC
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The aforementioned stop boards at Batley (assuming they upload now that I've reduced the resolution):
Teething problems still with us, with the 1349 ex-Hull held at Leeds due to late running with the stopper sent out ahead of it... which would allow the Dewsbury switcheroo if I was heading to Huddersfield rather than Mirfield!
The ex-Hull service now being turned at Stalybridge according to the PIS.
Also, a correction to my post yesterday- the stop board on the up side at Ravensthorpe is not at the platform end, but attached to the forwardmost pillar of the shelter.
Teething problems still with us, with the 1349 ex-Hull held at Leeds due to late running with the stopper sent out ahead of it... which would allow the Dewsbury switcheroo if I was heading to Huddersfield rather than Mirfield!
The ex-Hull service now being turned at Stalybridge according to the PIS.
Also, a correction to my post yesterday- the stop board on the up side at Ravensthorpe is not at the platform end, but attached to the forwardmost pillar of the shelter.
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Surely we should be able to make changes to timetables without chaos ensuing. It doesn't really paint a good picture of the rail industry to the average passenger. My point was about the robustness of the new timetable - it seems that single incidents can have much more profound knock-on impacts than before. I may be looking at that too simplistically but either way, TPE haven't come out of it well.
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Hello, When do to the Class 68s + Mk3s come in Service?
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There is a thread on this very question.
The answer appears to be definitely not before the Lime Street blockades in July end, maybe now not until October!
https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/transpennine-express-to-use-mk3s-on-limited-services.144501/
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Pulled out to the line where Arriva Wales sets normally stand, then came back in for the return service.
mike57
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Well day 3 and performance is still dire, looking at York to Seamer nothing on time, best was 13:25 arrival which was 4 mins late, the rest 10mins +, but obviously a bit better going the other way. My train was 25 mins late, there was one cancellation this morning, and only one of the 'good' connections down the coast to Filey and points south were kept, resulting in 90 - 120 mins wait for affected passengers. And to cap it all tonight destination board at Seamer hadn't caught up with the late running 17:55 to Liverpool, the 18:03 Sheffield train came in first and some people for the TPE service boarded the Sheffield service, not the first time this has happened. I've got to go to Preston tomorrow for a meeting, what with Northern strike and TPE chaos I think my patience will be tested.
Given all of the computer modelling that is used to develop timetables, just how are all these problems occuring? The issue does look like primarily another one to lay at the door of Network Rail. If a TOC had this level of repeated incompetence there would be a public outcry.
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