LNER Livery

[DenmarkRail]

I recently finished artwork on a Class 800/801 set that was painted in a mostly red scheme in a similar plan to GWR Green. It was done through Paint so it's not as good quality, and it's obviously an edited image as well, so the angle was too awkward to fit in the LNER logo.

I just fell in love.

It will from the beginning of the new franchise next year, but that hasn't stopped Virgin putting their logo on the repainted 390s:

The livery on the front and rear coaches is definitely the same as the livery applied to 800101, so the livery is definitely trademarked by Virgin, and I think it's safe to say that it's guaranteed the LNER 80x fleet will not be recieving this livery, leaving 801101 as the only 80x unit to wear this livery (and will probably be rebranded before entering service).

I’ve been told by a designer that Virgin will continue to brand their services as Virgin Trains if they win the West Coast partnership.

 

[backontrack]

I knocked this up in photoshop a couple of weeks back ...





Also worth noting that LNER are now said to be keeping the 'Azuma' moniker that Virgin bestowed upon them. I don't know if that means they will also use the flowing silk livery, or whether that's a trademark of Virgin.

Those are very nice.

I recently finished artwork on a Class 800/801 set that was painted in a mostly red scheme in a similar plan to GWR Green. It was done through Paint so it's not as good quality, and it's obviously an edited image as well, so the angle was too awkward to fit in the LNER logo.

Likewise. Delightful.

 

[Up_Tilt_390]

I just fell in love.

Oh my, good for you mate. Hope that goes well for you. (Sadly though I don't think the DfT will be browsing here and think "We're using it and giving that man a GBE!").

Likewise. Delightful.

Cheers for that mate. It took me days to get it finished so I'm glad you were able to describe it as such.

 

[hexagon789]

Doesn't seem to be the case here. Virgin designed the livery themselves, so I think they hold the trademark and licensing to the current "Flowing Silk" livery. Kind of glad in a way, cause while nice it just does not suit the Class 390 units. The yellow should've stayed as a smile, since it actually looked like part of a colour scheme than a legal requirement.

Flowing silk does indeed not suit the 390s, to be honest it doesn't really suit the IETs either.

It will from the beginning of the new franchise next year, but that hasn't stopped Virgin putting their logo on the repainted 390s:

It actually improves it, without the splash of red it would be hopelessly bland.

 

[geoffk]

Those liveries are alright, but they don't really match the red logo we've been given, plus I think they're a bit all over the place with linings. I prefer simple yet sweet

Please can we do as they do in Scotland - an agreed livery for each franchise (NOT white) with a small panel "operated by...." on the doors or wherever, and get rid of all these unnecessary livery changes. Who benefits anyway?

 

[Bertie the bus]

That is exactly what has been happening for at least 2 years. Except Virgin franchises of course because they are “rebels”.

GWR, TPE, Northern, SWR are all company neutral liveries which are supposed to continue after the franchise changes hands.

On the subject of this thread I think sprinterguy has got it spot on. They will use red on white initially to match the existing livery and then devise a new one using different colours.

 

[DenmarkRail]

That is exactly what has been happening for at least 2 years. Except Virgin franchises of course because they are “rebels”.

GWR, TPE, Northern, SWR are all company neutral liveries which are supposed to continue after the franchise changes hands.

On the subject of this thread I think sprinterguy has got it spot on. They will use red on white initially to match the existing livery and then devise a new one using different colours.

As I’ve said before, I think Virgin’s west coast brand honestly helps the franchise more than it hurts it.

 

[Bertie the bus]

You can say it all you like but can you provide any evidence to support it?

Virgin's East Coast brand didn't stop it losing nearly £200 million in 3 years.

 

[pt_mad]

I recently finished artwork on a Class 800/801 set that was painted in a mostly red scheme in a similar plan to GWR Green. It was done through Paint so it's not as good quality, and it's obviously an edited image as well, so the angle was too awkward to fit in the LNER logo.

Looks nice.

I am imagining this might be the sort of livery GNWR have on their 225 sets if that gets off the ground on the WCML (it was approved by ORR last week. Discussed in another thread).

 

[Up_Tilt_390]

I am imagining this might be the sort of livery GNWR have on their 225 sets if that gets off the ground on the WCML (it was approved by ORR last week. Discussed in another thread).

Just remember that I did it first then!

 

[pt_mad]

Just remember that I did it first then!

They (GNWR/Alliance) previously posted an artists impression of a proposed livery on a Pendolino (under previous Pendolino plan)
https://www.railwaypro.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/GNWR.jpg
Linked to image. Not mine.

Looks similar ish to yours.

 

[Up_Tilt_390]

They (GNWR/Alliance) previously posted an artists impression of a proposed livery on a Pendolino (under previous Pendolino plan)
https://www.railwaypro.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/GNWR.jpg
Linked to image. Not mine.

Looks similar ish to yours.

It does look somewhat similar. It's distinguishable though upon comparison too.

 

[pt_mad]

It does look somewhat similar. It's distinguishable though upon comparison too.

Could end up a recognisable colour on the WCML should the GNWR plans go through.

 

[Rail Blues]

That is exactly what has been happening for at least 2 years. Except Virgin franchises of course because they are “rebels”.

Aye about as crazy, cool and rebellious as your Great Uncle's Pringle golfing jumper.

 

[Rail Blues]

I knocked this up in photoshop a couple of weeks back ...





Also worth noting that LNER are now said to be keeping the 'Azuma' moniker that Virgin bestowed upon them. I don't know if that means they will also use the flowing silk livery, or whether that's a trademark of Virgin.

Seriously impressive technical skills, but that colour scheme leaves me cold. Looks too much like the first Virgin WC livery and looks rather dated. IMO the sharp angles don't flatter the shape of the unit much either.

 

[Domh245]

It's all well and good coming up with all of these all over red liveries, or those with nods to LNER of old, but this is a DfT run operation, with minimal expenditure, so anything more than basic branding and maybe a small amount of extra detail on the base IEP white and grey livery will be a massive surprise to me.

 

[jopsuk]

All over silver? To match the first streamliners and their special carriage sets

 

[hexagon789]

All over silver? To match the first streamliners and their special carriage sets

Only the Silver Jubilee streamliner had the Silver livery and there was only one set as well.

The Coronation and West Riding used broadly blue-coloured sets.

 

[Geeves]

I bet they won’t.

Not outside of enthusiast circles anyway.

At the end of the day the Pendolino is pretty much the only train model name that is in common usage with the general public

People in the north, Wales and the SW are pretty familiar with the model name "Pacer" probably more so than Pendolino to be honest. Has it been decided that red and black is now the next livery? I liked the LNER blue livery personally

 

[Rail Blues]

Talking to non enthusiast friends the train 'names' they know are pendolino (though few can distinguish them from a voyager in the flesh) pacer (although only in areas where they operate it gets blank looks in Scotland) and Intercity 125s. Beyond that, forget it.

Most people I know even those who commute on them would struggle to know what sort of train they travel on. Nor should that be surprising, I don't know what bus I take to work other than 'a newish double decker'.

 

[Bletchleyite]

People in the north, Wales and the SW are pretty familiar with the model name "Pacer" probably more so than Pendolino to be honest. Has it been decided that red and black is now the next livery? I liked the LNER blue livery personally

"Sprinter" is also fairly well known. The key is that unlike the others (except Pacers, but they of course are distinctive in other ways) it was painted on.

 

[whhistle]

Virgin's East Coast brand didn't stop it losing nearly £200 million in 3 years.

Did the West Coast loose a lot of money in the early days?
Despite them claiming it all back from Network Rail, I am sure it was loosing money left right and centre.
Give the East Coast nearly 20 years in operation and I'm sure it would have made money... eventually.

 

[Mordac]

It will from the beginning of the new franchise next year, but that hasn't stopped Virgin putting their logo on the repainted 390s:

The livery on the front and rear coaches is definitely the same as the livery applied to 800101, so the livery is definitely trademarked by Virgin, and I think it's safe to say that it's guaranteed the LNER 80x fleet will not be recieving this livery, leaving 801101 as the only 80x unit to wear this livery (and will probably be rebranded before entering service).

Is that Lancaster?

 

[Harbornite]

I knocked this up in photoshop a couple of weeks back ...





Also worth noting that LNER are now said to be keeping the 'Azuma' moniker that Virgin bestowed upon them. I don't know if that means they will also use the flowing silk livery, or whether that's a trademark of Virgin.

Think I also saw these on WNXX. Needless to say, a very good effort and considerably better than the new pendo livery.

 

[XCTurbostar]

Virgin Trains East Coast twitter is saying that "x3 will have been branded LNER for the 24th of June with the rest branded over the weeks after"

Virgin Trains EC:
"For the moment it'll just be LNER stickers on Virgin livery, but I can't confirm anything else just yet"

 

[DanNCL]

Is that Lancaster?

I think so. The image isn't mine, I found it on google.

Virgin Trains East Coast twitter is saying that "x3 will have been branded LNER for the 24th of June with the rest branded over the weeks after"

Virgin Trains EC:
"For the moment it'll just be LNER stickers on Virgin livery, but I can't confirm anything else just yet"

Doesn't surprise me. The East Coast logo remained on many of the trains for a few months after VTEC took over iirc. Presumably this means we can expect to see the LNER logo on one of the trains imminently?

 

[Up_Tilt_390]

Is that Lancaster?

Yes, that station is Lancaster. I recognise the screenshot as the image on Wikipedia regarding the article of the Class 390. I also recognise the station too, so I wouldn't have even so much needed an annotation.

 

[NorthernSpirit]

GWR, TPE, Northern, SWR are all company neutral liveries which are supposed to continue after the franchise changes hands.

The GWR livery in my own view is adaptable and personally Northern, TPE and SWR should have followed suit with something similar - OK, it might look bland but at least there'd be a single standard livery across England.

Lets hope that the LNER livery will be similar to that of GWR's.

 

[ash39]

The GWR livery in my own view is adaptable and personally Northern, TPE and SWR should have followed suit with something similar - OK, it might look bland but at least there'd be a single standard livery across England.

Lets hope that the LNER livery will be similar to that of GWR's.

What's the point of having individual brands if they all look the same? Strange thinking.

Also it won't happen, look at the LNER website. Has a different typeface from GWR and a more modern look to it.

 

[pt_mad]

What's the point of having individual brands if they all look the same? Strange thinking.

Also it won't happen, look at the LNER website. Has a different typeface from GWR and a more modern look to it.

But the brands as it were are coming to an end as the franchises come up for renewal.

Granted LNER is a brand of sorts but it's generic and belongs to the DFT and is supposedly to be transferred between any incumbent franchises on the East Coast from now on.

So essentially it's not a company brand just a generic name for the route regardless of who operates it.

And it appears to be DFT policy to roll this out nationwide as the franchises come up. Note that the next EMT franchise needs to be called East Midlands Railway regardless of who takes it over.

Makes me wonder on a wider point why they didn't just take this stance at the start of privatisation and just have intercity and regional railways. But put the individual franchise areas out to tender. But they operate under two brand names. Like the London buses.

Essentially we're going to end up with a number of different geographical areas all named standard railway non corporate names such as 'Great Western Railway' 'South Western Railway' 'London Northwestern Railway' 'London Northeastern Railway' ''Wales and Borders' etc. And no company will be identified and the names will stay regardless of who takes over the franchises from then on. So the government wants to de-corporate brand the railways so to speak.