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Scottish Electrification updates & discussion

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EIKN

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Thanks guys for your replies to my question.
All very confusing at first one wonders why they can't just adopt KM and be do e with it .
Road building Eg the recent A1(m) project t in North England was measured in Km . Crossing from North Eireann back into the republic it's km from miles .
Railway projects often seen to qoute Km too.
Isn't it mainly Us and America that still use Miles ? .
 
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EIKN

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According to the BBC, it's not a promotion, it's a job swap.
Probably why it takes so long to get anything done they keep swapping the minister in charge .
If your constantly changing them ( no doubt they have their own staff ) like anyone so many weeks / months on the job training and expected to run a railway ( let's not forget LNER started two days ago)
 

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Thanks guys for your replies to my question.
All very confusing at first one wonders why they can't just adopt KM and be do e with it .
Road building Eg the recent A1(m) project t in North England was measured in Km . Crossing from North Eireann back into the republic it's km from miles .
Railway projects often seen to qoute Km too.
Isn't it mainly Us and America that still use Miles ? .

All the signs and all the documents relating to the track is in miles and chains. When you already have a several week rulebook course if you're doing anything related to the track, is there that gained by converting to kilometres?
 

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https://www.railscot.co.uk/img/51/322/

Apparently there are even photos of the track being lifted in 1990. There are plenty of photos on RAILSCOT which really do suggest it was doubled until the Yoker resignalling.

If I'm not mistaken, the Yoker resignalling involved rationalising quite a lot of the North Clyde Electrics network. At a time when passenger numbers were in decline and the Serpell Report was recent, it made a lot of sense to try (or give the impression of) efficiency measures. If they hadn't done them, we might not have been in this position today where we need to undo them.
As a daily user of the Milngavie line during the 1960s and much of the 1970s I can state with authority that it was double throughout. Trains passed in the section between Hillfoot and Milngavie.
 

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All the signs and all the documents relating to the track is in miles and chains. When you already have a several week rulebook course if you're doing anything related to the track, is there that gained by converting to kilometres?

Electrification schemes have been in km since before the ECML electrification (maybe even the WCML Weaver Jn-Glasgow too).
ETCS signalling is all in km and km/h (as on the Cambrian).
HS1/2 are all designed in km.
London Underground is all in km.
Unfortunately, Messrs Stephenson, Locke, Brunel and friends worked in miles.
The rule book will have to accommodate both systems for decades yet, but there will be a gradual conversion as lines get upgraded to ETCS.
 

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It's currently controlled by Motherwell Signalling Centre, which is being progressively replaced. Not sure what date the switchover for the Shotts line. https://www.railengineer.uk/2018/04...rails-successful-engineering-works-at-easter/ suggests that the rest of the box is going in August.

Motherwell SC Panels 4 & 5 will be closed late August and transferred to the new Motherwell Workstation at West of Scotland SC. The Shotts line is also getting 3-aspect signalling upgrade as part of the resignalling and the Motherwell controlled portion will be operational in late August and the Edinburgh controlled portion in late September. The resignalling project is also doing the immunisation for the electrification project and providing passenger service turn back signals at Midcalder Junction, Wishaw station and Holytown station
 

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I had a look this morning on my way to work, and from what I can see the masts are danglified as you say, except for a few immediately next to the actual motorway overbridge.

The earth wire seems to be run on both sides of the track, on both sides of the bridge, but with quite a bit bigger gap around the bridge itself.

The masts are still turned to run parallel to the tracks, so the main wiring can't be on at the moment but I would imagine it won't take long to turn them and attach the wires....

Ross

There wasn't any change before I went on holiday, but I was on the M9 this evening and noticed that there are now masts with all dangly bits, in the right orientation and with the earth wires on coming out from under the bridge heading towards Stirling. The earth wires run a fair bit towards (and may even reach) the overbridge on Gallamuir Road but as I was driving I can't be sure.

Due to the way the line runs, and the trees next to it, I couldn't see if the line to the South (Larbert) side of the bridge was the same, but I *think* that the earth wires still have a gap in them. Don't qoute me on that though!

Ross
 

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Been on holiday up that way -EG- line area- the past 10 days and I think the Scottish economy is on a winner with the electrification. Class 380- 365-occasional 170!!! All smooth at Glasgow end - apart from ridiculous lack of circulation space at Queen Street! At Edinburgh I did detect slowing (presumably) due to potential clash with Bathgate lines etc, and this might be worse in future with Cumbernauld trains! Anyone care to enlighten me?
 

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Err Class 365!

Yes, class 365.

https://www.scotsman.com/news/trans...ase-crush-on-edinburgh-glasgow-line-1-4728667

"The first of a fleet of stand-in trains has arrived in Scotland to help ease ScotRail’s carriage shortage crisis. It is due to be among ten electric trains as stop-gaps on the main Edinburgh-Glasgow line, where some rush-hour services have lost carriages."

"ScotRail chief operating officer Angus Thom has told staff: “The class 365 electric trains would boost capacity on the Edinburgh-Glasgow via Falkirk High route, and would mean more seats for our customers during peak times than there were in December. The extra capacity would also mean we are better placed to provide a great service to our customers during major events this summer like The Open and the Edinburgh Festivals. The class 365 trains would provide a temporary solution until we have sufficient class 385 trains in service.”
 

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Been on holiday up that way -EG- line area- the past 10 days and I think the Scottish economy is on a winner with the electrification. Class 380- 365-occasional 170!!! All smooth at Glasgow end - apart from ridiculous lack of circulation space at Queen Street! At Edinburgh I did detect slowing (presumably) due to potential clash with Bathgate lines etc, and this might be worse in future with Cumbernauld trains! Anyone care to enlighten me?
There's long been conflicts from Bathgate Jn eastwards (often obviously slowing by Edinburgh Park); the Cumbernauld through trains AFAIK are replacing other trains from Edinburgh to Falkirk Grahamston (though I forget what their destination was?).
 

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A comment on that scotsman article -

"its funny ..... network rail took 12 brand (( 4 carriages long)) new trains bound for Scotland and transferred them to London .... and in return we get there old stock which is past its use by date.
so in short ...... Scotland again is paying for stuff that Westminster wants and takes."

Is there any truth to that statement?
 

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I don't believe there to be any truth at all. Network rail didnt do anything, no trains destined for Scotland are in London, ScotRail actually got their hands on trains destined for Northern!
 

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A comment on that scotsman article -

"its funny ..... network rail took 12 brand (( 4 carriages long)) new trains bound for Scotland and transferred them to London .... and in return we get there old stock which is past its use by date.
so in short ...... Scotland again is paying for stuff that Westminster wants and takes."

Is there any truth to that statement?
Nothing I can think of unless they're mistaken that anything southbound was units returning to the factory for window mods. Not quite as far as London. In fact not even half way.
Network Rail taking them? I think not.
The Scotsman needs taking to task for blatant lying. Where would these 12 4-car trains operate in London anyway? Gospel Oak-Barking?
 
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Nothing I can think of unless they're mistaken that anything southbound was units returning to the factory for window mods. Not quite as far as London. In fact not even half way.
Network Rail taking them? I think not.
The Scotsman needs taking to task for blatant lying. Where would these 12 4-car trains operate in London anyway? Gospel Oak-Barking?
It wasn’t the Scotsman, it was one of their readers passing comment.
 

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Class 170s went to Southern, with mixed results, though that was a while ago now.
 

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A comment on that scotsman article -

"its funny ..... network rail took 12 brand (( 4 carriages long)) new trains bound for Scotland and transferred them to London .... and in return we get there old stock which is past its use by date.
so in short ...... Scotland again is paying for stuff that Westminster wants and takes."

Is there any truth to that statement?

No. Sounds like the aggrieved whining of a hardcore nationalist, who won't let the truth get in the way of an excuse to bash Westminster. The rolling stock shortage is down to Hitachi and the 365 temp solution has been sorted out within the industry. The 170s transferring to Northern were agreed ages ago on the basis of the 385s arriving on time, but there's certainly not been any transfer of anything new down south.
 

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Press release

https://www.networkrail.co.uk/feeds/

Network Rail engineers will reach a significant milestone in Stirling this weekend (21 July), when the first beams of the new Kerse Road bridge structure are lifted into place using a 750tn crane.

The bridge over the railway is being replaced as part of a wider programme of work on the Stirling line ahead of the electrification of the route as part of a Scottish Government-funded investment being delivered by Network Rail.

Over the next week (21 to 28 July), engineers will work 1,800 hours in total, as two pre-cast concrete beams weighing between 30tn to 50tn apiece and 21m in length, will be lifted into position each night,

Iain McFarlane, Network Rail’s route delivery director for the Stirling Dunblane Alloa (SDA) project said: “Craning in the beams represent an important milestone as it’s the first steps to reinstating a bridge over the railway on Kerse Road. With the 14 beams in position, we will see the structure really taking shaping, as the new bridge emerges from the site.

“The beams going in is the latest in a series of critical steps towards reinstating the bridge; including the successful demolition of the old bridge in April, the installation of 88 piled foundations and construction of the new east and west abutments to support the new deck beams.

“I would like to take this opportunity to again thank residents and the wider Stirling community for their continued patience as we complete this important element of the bridge reconstruction.”

Once the new bridge at Kerse Road is complete, the structure will also offer the potential for the council to add a third lane in the future to meet Stirling’s growing traffic needs and enhance the local road network in line with the city’s transport strategy

Electrification of central Scotland’s rail network will reduce journey times from Stirling to Glasgow and Edinburgh, increase capacity on peak services and provide longer, faster greener trains.

Nice view of the temporary footbridge and abutments of the new main bridge.
 
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