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Trico382

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It sounds like the railway is becoming a retirement home for police and ex service people. Not a good thing really..

Not a good thing for the police service as a whole, but a good thing for those individuals who are realising the failings, taking the bull by the horns and making a better life for themselves. It is such a shame though that so many are leaving and tells a story really doesn’t it....
 
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16 years police service in scotland and I've been trying for the last 3 years to get trainee train drivers jobs. I will continue.
 

Malala

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Only been in the force for a year , but just want to to move to a customer assistant position asap then work my way up hooehopef
 

scotraildriver

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We have a lot of ex police here in Scotrail but even more fire and ambulance people. A recent course of 8 was all ex emergency services. There are clearly serious issues within these sectors that SO many people seem to want to leave. Shame.
 

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5 years in the military, 5 years in the Met and been a train driver since 2014. The railway is full of ex military and police.
 

JJ77

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Hi folks,

To those of you who've left the police and started as a driver, what were you able to do with your pensions, please? Transferred? Frozen, etc?

Like a good few of us here, I'm a 16 year DC (19yrs pensionable via a slender amount of time spent in HM Armed Forces) who has had his fill and am keen to get clarity around what you've done with your police pensions, please.

A million thanks in advance,

JJ.
 

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Hi folks,

To those of you who've left the police and started as a driver, what were you able to do with your pensions, please? Transferred? Frozen, etc?

Like a good few of us here, I'm a 16 year DC (19yrs pensionable via a slender amount of time spent in HM Armed Forces) who has had his fill and am keen to get clarity around what you've done with your police pensions, please.

A million thanks in advance,

JJ.
I haven't got a job yet but afaik the old scheme is frozen. leave and payable at 60 whatever you accrued
the new scheme you can transfer to any registered pension scheme or leave it and it becomes payable at state pension age.
 

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It sounds like the railway is becoming a retirement home for police and ex service people. Not a good thing really..
Interested in why you don’t see dedicated people with problem solving and other transferable skills moving into the railway industry as a good thing?
 

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Interested in why you don’t see dedicated people with problem solving and other transferable skills moving into the railway industry as a good thing?

I assume he means it's more a bad thing from the perspective of the police force, as opposed to being a bad thing for the railways....
 

Leep1

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Interested in why you don’t see dedicated people with problem solving and other transferable skills moving into the railway industry as a good thing?
Personally I would question how "dedicated" they were if they are all jumping ship- when you joined the force you knew what you was getting into. The railway should stop giving ex police and forces personnel roles and question why they are jumping ship, whats to say that in 10 years they don't do the same and leave the railways if things change.

I'm a driver and I find the ex police and other ex public services people, in general, try bringing their entitled attitudes and bureaucracy over from the said force they left, some forget that they are no longer bobbies or toy soldiers. I would prefer if people came to the railways with a more "educated" background.

Just my 2 cents.
 

Trico382

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Personally I would question how "dedicated" they were if they are all jumping ship- when you joined the force you knew what you was getting into. The railway should stop giving ex police and forces personnel roles and question why they are jumping ship, whats to say that in 10 years they don't do the same and leave the railways if things change.

I'm a driver and I find the ex police and other ex public services people, in general, try bringing their entitled attitudes and bureaucracy over from the said force they left, some forget that they are no longer bobbies or toy soldiers. I would prefer if people came to the railways with a more "educated" background.

Just my 2 cents.

Wow....
 

samsung1200

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Hi folks,

To those of you who've left the police and started as a driver, what were you able to do with your pensions, please? Transferred? Frozen, etc?

Like a good few of us here, I'm a 16 year DC (19yrs pensionable via a slender amount of time spent in HM Armed Forces) who has had his fill and am keen to get clarity around what you've done with your police pensions, please.

A million thanks in advance,

JJ.
If your a Constable with 19 pensionable years, you'll have two pension pots - 0ne in the PPS1987 and one in the NPPS2015 (unless you opted into the 2006 scheme at some point!) If you leave the cops you have two choice: 1) become a deferred member or 2) transfer your pension into a new authorised scheme. To transfer it may not be the best option as although you'll buy a huge chink in any new scheme the likelihood is that most new pension schemes won't have benefits anywhere near as generous as the police schemes. The PPS1987 pension would be paid on your 60th birthday, the PPS2015 pension would be paid at your state pension age. Depending on your current age and circumstances will affect how much you get. There are quite a few variables. If you stay in the cops until your 55 you can draw both pensions but the 2015 pension will be actuarially reduced and you'll lose between 20-25% of it worth as the normal pension age in the PPS2015 is 60. Don't blame you for wanting to get out of the 'job' I did and it was the best thing I ever did it had gone massively down hill, lions led by donkeys, Hope this helps. (I am not a financial adviser and you should take professional advice before making any decision regarding your pension)
 

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Unfortunately Leep1 makes a good point and one that is also reflected at my TOC and not just limited to Ex Police or service members. People will bring their attitudes with them and sadly I don't think that this is leading to a positive environment or leading to good employees or good Drivers.

I'm not 'old school' or 'new'. I came in an a transition period and I think they were the best era of Drivers. Some of the newer Drivers are truly shocking. As someone who sits in the middle and is involved with new Drivers. I certainly see Leep1's perspective being played out amongst new recruits.
 

Chaz15

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Why lol ?

Because I thought it was the 2nd most nonsensical post I've read in the short time I've been here.

Questioning dedication because people want to change careers. Guess what, people change careers every day, including leaving the railway.

Surely noone would ever get hired in any job after their 1st because, well, they are jumping ship they might do it to us. Nonsense.

Some people will have entitled attitudes, that's life, I think that's more about the person than the former profession though.

Saying "they knew what they was* getting into"? Guess what, what you get into, sometimes changes and you reevaluate.

*possibly those people from a more educated background will be able to point out its *were*

But I doubt practically they'll be as good as those "toy soldiers" you speak of. Which Imo, is a ridiculously disrespectful way to describe anyone who served in our forces.

So yea, lol, because that was dross.
 

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Because I thought it was the 2nd most nonsensical post I've read in the short time I've been here.

Questioning dedication because people want to change careers. Guess what, people change careers every day, including leaving the railway.

Surely noone would ever get hired in any job after their 1st because, well, they are jumping ship they might do it to us. Nonsense.

Some people will have entitled attitudes, that's life, I think that's more about the person than the former profession though.

Saying "they knew what they was* getting into"? Guess what, what you get into, sometimes changes and you reevaluate.

*possibly those people from a more educated background will be able to point out its *were*

But I doubt practically they'll be as good as those "toy soldiers" you speak of. Which Imo, is a ridiculously disrespectful way to describe anyone who served in our forces.

So yea, lol, because that was dross.
Well said Chaz15.
 

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Personally I would question how "dedicated" they were if they are all jumping ship- when you joined the force you knew what you was getting into.

I would prefer if people came to the railways with a more "educated" background.

Ironic.
 

dctraindriver

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Because I thought it was the 2nd most nonsensical post I've read in the short time I've been here.

Questioning dedication because people want to change careers. Guess what, people change careers every day, including leaving the railway.

Surely noone would ever get hired in any job after their 1st because, well, they are jumping ship they might do it to us. Nonsense.

Some people will have entitled attitudes, that's life, I think that's more about the person than the former profession though.

Saying "they knew what they was* getting into"? Guess what, what you get into, sometimes changes and you reevaluate.

*possibly those people from a more educated background will be able to point out its *were*

But I doubt practically they'll be as good as those "toy soldiers" you speak of. Which Imo, is a ridiculously disrespectful way to describe anyone who served in our forces.

So yea, lol, because that was dross.

Well said. Very generalised comment and something I’ve not particularly noted where I am......
 

Leep1

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Because I thought it was the 2nd most nonsensical post I've read in the short time I've been here.

Questioning dedication because people want to change careers. Guess what, people change careers every day, including leaving the railway.

Surely noone would ever get hired in any job after their 1st because, well, they are jumping ship they might do it to us. Nonsense.

Some people will have entitled attitudes, that's life, I think that's more about the person than the former profession though.

Saying "they knew what they was* getting into"? Guess what, what you get into, sometimes changes and you reevaluate.

*possibly those people from a more educated background will be able to point out its *were*

But I doubt practically they'll be as good as those "toy soldiers" you speak of. Which Imo, is a ridiculously disrespectful way to describe anyone who served in our forces.

So yea, lol, because that was dross.

Stick to the fire service buddy, you won't pass a shift with that level of spelling and grammar!

I'm speaking from actual experience you prune, I've been driving for 15 years and I've seen what the influx of people like you does to the working atmosphere and it isn't good!

It's a sentiment echoed by other drivers as ComUtoR says.
 

Chaz15

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Stick to the fire service buddy, you won't pass a shift with that level of spelling and grammar!

I'm speaking from actual experience you prune, I've been driving for 15 years and I've seen what the influx of people like you does to the working atmosphere and it isn't good!

It's a sentiment echoed by other drivers as ComUtoR says.

Pass a shift or a sift? If its the sift I've already done that cheers.

And people like me? You don't know the first thing about me, youre just upset I pulled you up on your rubbish post. It's an Internet forum though, you'll get over it.
 

SquarePeg

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I’m going to stick my tin hat on here but here goes:

Disclaimer - I have the utmost respect for our Services and Military personnel.

Not coming from a Services or Military background myself, but any person from that background who cannot make a sift or pass at least the first TOC SJT is applying for the wrong job and has been/is in the wrong job!
 

Malala

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Personally I would question how "dedicated" they were if they are all jumping ship- when you joined the force you knew what you was getting into. The railway should stop giving ex police and forces personnel roles and question why they are jumping ship, whats to say that in 10 years they don't do the same and leave the railways if things change.

I'm a driver and I find the ex police and other ex public services people, in general, try bringing their entitled attitudes and bureaucracy over from the said force they left, some forget that they are no longer bobbies or toy soldiers. I would prefer if people came to the railways with a more "educated" background.

Just my 2 cents.
Ive worked in the met for a year and have a degree in Software Engineering . Am I eligible
 

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Personally I would question how "dedicated" they were if they are all jumping ship- when you joined the force you knew what you was getting into. The railway should stop giving ex police and forces personnel roles and question why they are jumping ship, whats to say that in 10 years they don't do the same and leave the railways if things change.

I'm a driver and I find the ex police and other ex public services people, in general, try bringing their entitled attitudes and bureaucracy over from the said force they left, some forget that they are no longer bobbies or toy soldiers. I would prefer if people came to the railways with a more "educated" background.

Just my 2 cents.


Wow, nobody is allowed to change career by the sounds of it.

Maybe the fact officers are wanting to leave is due there being little to no support from management, working 12+ hour shifts with days off being cancelled left, right and centre. People barely being able to see and spend time with their loved ones. Being assaulted and abused on a daily basis. But hey we knew what we was getting into.

Forgive us for wanting to change careers.
 

Leep1

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Pass a shift or a sift? If its the sift I've already done that cheers.

And people like me? You don't know the first thing about me, youre just upset I pulled you up on your rubbish post. It's an Internet forum though, you'll get over it.

Autocorrect on my Iphone.

And it's "you're" :D
 
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