175/0 or 175/1

[BRM]

Got my Mum travelling on the 1V48 1531 Man Picc - Carmarthen tomorrow 14/9/18.
I remember this being a 2 car in the past.
What's it booked to be?
Thanks

 

[krus_aragon]

Whatever it's booked to be, I wouldn't put too much money on the booked traction turning up. With a lot of class 150 and 158 units going for PRM modifications (which all need to be done before 2020) there's a lot of swapping units about at the moment.

Still, based on when it leaves Manchester and where it'll be in the evening peak (and without tracing back through RealTimeTrains to check where it is during the morning peak) a 2 car 175 would be the sensible booked traction for that service.

 

[PHILIPE]

Its 2 coaches today but could even be a 150 on the day

 

[craigybagel]

Booked for a 3 car, but is a 2 car 175 today.

 

[Mitchell Hurd]

It's at a push do-able for a 2-car 175!

I had a 2-car 175, 175004, on the 13:08 from Hereford to Crewe. Very good trains these are! When they're withdrawn in the next W&B franchise, I will be a shame. However I hope some can be cascaded to some long-distance routes currently run by Class 158's.

 

[Mitchell Hurd]

When the 16:10ish left Crewe for Carmarthen it looked busy but I think people were waiting to sit in their seats. Any 2-car 175 on that route would be due to maintenance requirements as ATW may say.

 

[PHILIPE]

When the 16:10ish left Crewe for Carmarthen it looked busy but I think people were waiting to sit in their seats. Any 2-car 175 on that route would be due to maintenance requirements as ATW may say.

There are 4 x 2 Car 175 Diagrams operating on the route through the day. Nothing always to do with Maintenance requirements.

 

[Mitchell Hurd]

I'm told the 13:08 is normally 3 coaches. There are some 2-car sets about silly me . Sorry I know it's slightly off subject but I wonder what ATW (soon to be KeolisAmey Wales) would send out on a Manchester run if it was a choice between a 1-coach Class 153 with table seating and around 75 seats or a 2-coach Class 142 or 143 Pacer with no table seat, around 105 seats I guess, slightly slower acceleration and not well received by most passengers.

Hopefully that decision never happens.

I've begun to like the 14x Pacers more since Northern's 16:22 from Manchester Piccadilly to Bolton on the 21/03/18 but it will be good when they're withdrawn!

 

[PHILIPE]

I'm told the 13:08 is normally 3 coaches. There are some 2-car sets about silly me . Sorry I know it's slightly off subject but I wonder what ATW (soon to be KeolisAmey Wales) would send out on a Manchester run if it was a choice between a 1-coach Class 153 with table seating and around 75 seats or a 2-coach Class 142 or 143 Pacer with no table seat, around 105 seats I guess, slightly slower acceleration and not well received by most passengers.

Hopefully that decision never happens.

I've begun to like the 14x Pacers more since Northern's 16:22 from Manchester Piccadilly to Bolton on the 21/03/18 but it will be good when they're withdrawn!

It would have to be the single 153 because Pacers are restricted beyond Craven Arms

 

[krus_aragon]

It would have to be the single 153 because Pacers are restricted beyond Craven Arms

There are also no ATW staff in the North currently trained on them.

 

[krus_aragon]

It's at a push do-able for a 2-car 175!

I had a 2-car 175, 175004, on the 13:08 from Hereford to Crewe. Very good trains these are! When they're withdrawn in the next W&B franchise, I will be a shame. However I hope some can be cascaded to some long-distance routes currently run by Class 158's.

Every route currently operated by a 158 (including the ERTMS Cambrian) will see a new Civity taking over by 2022, just like the 175 routes. That's why the 175s are due to go off-lease.

You could make the argument for using the 175s in West Wales instead of the 170s, but the anticipated fleet of 170s is half that of the 175s, which would leave the ROSCO with an odd microfleet that they may struggle to lease elsewhere.