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Weird Things You See People Do on the Railway

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On a Voyager, you can denote if First Class is leading by looking at the coupler. A yellow bar above the coupler indicates that vehicle carries first class.
For those few in the know: I can't imagine many typical or infrequent passengers are aware of this. And even that is a bit short notice for those stood on the platform wondering where their carriage might come to a stand. Some platform information displays also describe whether first class is at the front or rear of Crosscountry services (and sometimes the number of carriages), but these aren't always correct either.
 
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On a Voyager, you can denote if First Class is leading by looking at the coupler. A yellow bar above the coupler indicates that vehicle carries first class.

But when two are together your booked first seat could be at the front or back, try it! Often you won't know if it's a single or double unit until quite late, and probably most won't appreciate the implications. Maybe not too bad for the nimble but the vast majority of leisure travellers aren't rail enthusiasts attuned to looking for yellow bars on couplers like many of us on here. Assuming you can see the couplers, of course. Many first class travellers are also elderly and some are foreign tourists between York and Edinburgh, totally baffled as to why they can't find their seat in this half of the train!
 

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They may not be "messed up" but it causes no end of confusion on platforms for those not used to XC's practice. Might help the reservation system but baffles users, even more so when two units are worked together and first is at back and front causing those with reserved seats to have to gamble as to which end they need to place their bet!
where's the like button :D? I've lost count of how many times I've seen people running up and down platforms at Reading trying to find their seats for a long distance journey. By the time you find your seat reservation, there is invariably someone sitting in it,thinking they've got lucky and the poor person who has made the reservation missed the train!
 

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Few minutes to wait at St. Bees so I jump off to take a photo of the 37. Naturally Ieave the door ajar so I can hop back on.

Some local shuts it and shouts at me for leaving it open, I exclaim 'I'm getting back on aren't I' and at the top of her voice 'Well why are you getting off then you idiot!'
 

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Few minutes to wait at St. Bees so I jump off to take a photo of the 37. Naturally Ieave the door ajar so I can hop back on.

Some local shuts it and shouts at me for leaving it open, I exclaim 'I'm getting back on aren't I' and at the top of her voice 'Well why are you getting off then you idiot!'
From the perspective of a member of the general travelling public she has a point: Why would a passenger disembarking be intending to rejoin the same train? It's you that's demonstrating the "weird" behaviour. ;)
 
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From the perspective of a member of the general travelling public she has a point: Why would a passenger disembarking be intending to rejoin the same train? It's you that's demonstrating the "weird" behaviour. ;)

Takes one to know one I guess ;)
 

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If you watch behaviour at airports or hotels, you'll see that there are a significant number of people who seem to believe that being aggressive to mere service staff will force those staff into doing whatever that person wants. In reality, of course, the staffer is far more likely to dig their heels in or revert to working by the book, and if you want people to help you out then they're far more likely to do so if you're polite and friendly.

I lose count of the amount of times I've got away with things (luggage being overweight at check-in, lounge access with out-of-date card, room upgrade after booking the cheapest they had, that sort of thing) simply by being nice to staff and asking if they could possibly help me - and graciously accepting defeat if they said no.

These people do tend to be volunteers for de prioritising.:o
 

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From the perspective of a member of the general travelling public she has a point: Why would a passenger disembarking be intending to rejoin the same train? It's you that's demonstrating the "weird" behaviour. ;)
When I was a lad, we jumped off and the back on the same train. There wasn't any toilets on the train.
 

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I've been shouted at before when getting off a train to catch some air during a particularly long dwell time (~20 minutes). The train manager on this service was very unhappy. Obviously, I complied because it was his train, but I found it very odd.
 

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I've been shouted at before when getting off a train to catch some air during a particularly long dwell time (~20 minutes). The train manager on this service was very unhappy. Obviously, I complied because it was his train, but I found it very odd.
Now that does seem peculiar: Passengers often take the opportunity to alight and "take the air" (or a crafty ciggie, if so inclined ;)) during the period while units are disentangled or conjoined at Crianlarich, to name one example, which seems eminently sensible. Without knowing the exact circumstance, denying passengers such freedoms seems rather odd.
 

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There used to be a very shouty Train Manager on Cross Country in the early 2000s. She was actually quite nice to passengers, whilst giving the impression you didn't want to mess with her. But strewth she used to go off the deep end at other staff.
I remember once at Gloucester she was bellowing at unseen platform staff to "Get my train moving" or something to that effect.
Another time I was sat right at the end of the train. We were having a very delayed journey due to foul weather and flooding. We stopped (again) in the middle of nowhere in the pitch black. Suddenly I heard from behind the wall "Why the bloody hell have we stopped now? ... Oh ... Right ... Well, just get us home please".
Started moving shortly afterward and she made a very polite announcement and giving a running commentary on the flooding which could be seen from the window as we passed through some minor station - I remember the water was about level with the rail head.
 

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It's not uncommon for some people to aggresively pretend that they haven't made a mistake. Not sure what they hope to achieve.

When I have been shouted at by such people they seem to hope that I will buy the new ticket they are claiming I need.
 

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Now that does seem peculiar: Passengers often take the opportunity to alight and "take the air" (or a crafty ciggie, if so inclined ;)) during the period while units are disentangled or conjoined at Crianlarich, to name one example, which seems eminently sensible. Without knowing the exact circumstance, denying passengers such freedoms seems rather odd.

The only reason I can think is that it was an IC125 set. Therefore, the doors were manual and he thought I would be inconsiderate and not shut the door myself.
 

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Saw an elderly couple board a 125 at Carlisle last Saturday and they shut the door behind them, I always leave it open in case other passengers need to be in the same carriage as do most passengers I see boarding.
 
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The only reason I can think is that it was an IC125 set. Therefore, the doors were manual and he thought I would be inconsiderate and not shut the door myself.
Was it a booked station call? I'm scratching my head as to which regularly timetabled IC125 services have a booked 20 minute dwell anywhere. It seems strange that the guard would be able to isolate one individual in the usual circulatory flow of alighting and boarding passengers at a typical station call.
Saw an elderly couple board a 125 at Carlisle last Saturday and they shut the door behind them, I always leave it open in case other passengers need to be in the same carriage as do most passengers I see boarding.
Unless there are passengers on the platform in the vicinity of the door (or other passengers preparing to alight the train) it seems like good practice to close it to aid dispatch IMO.
 

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Few minutes to wait at St. Bees so I jump off to take a photo of the 37. Naturally Ieave the door ajar so I can hop back on.

Some local shuts it and shouts at me for leaving it open, I exclaim 'I'm getting back on aren't I' and at the top of her voice 'Well why are you getting off then you idiot!'

Sounds like a typical busybody. All she had to do was quietly close the door instead of opening her big mouth.
 

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Unless there are passengers on the platform in the vicinity of the door (or other passengers preparing to alight the train) it seems like good practice to close it to aid dispatch IMO.

Indeed. Standard practice in the slam door era which the elderly oassengers would remember.

[grumbles about young people wanting everything done for them these days]
 

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Was it a booked station call? I'm scratching my head as to which regularly timetabled IC125 services have a booked 20 minute dwell anywhere. It seems strange that the guard would be able to isolate one individual in the usual circulatory flow of alighting and boarding passengers at a typical station call.

Unless there are passengers on the platform in the vicinity of the door (or other passengers preparing to alight the train) it seems like good practice to close it to aid dispatch IMO.

It was on the Newcastle-Carlisle-Edinburgh diverts. The 22 minute wait was at Carlisle. http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/N32064/2018/10/06/advanced
 

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What tends to end up happening in practice is they then go off traipsing down the train visibly making a huff.
or as happened to me when on a busy train I found a spare seat at a table for 4 and then the other 3 got off leaving me to suffer the glares and mutterings of the lot getting on.
 

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Most annoying when you get on the train, go to find your reserved seats but find that there is already a family in it and that they complain and become aggressive when you ask them to move,even though the reservation was clearly marked on the seat.
Had a similar incident on Eurostar. Very aggressive woman got on at Ashford claiming I and the other guy next to me were in their seats and we must move. We showed our seat reservations but she insisted they were hers. Spent so long arguing with us that the train departed but when the train manager arrived he pointed out they were on the wrong train....cue smiles all round from the other passengers irritated by their attitude. That was back before HS1 I think and there was a Paris train followed immediately by the Disneyland one and at Ashford they of course occupied both sides of the island platform at the same time. Demands that we stop at Lile for them to change were politely refused.
 

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Had a similar incident on Eurostar. Very aggressive woman got on at Ashford claiming I and the other guy next to me were in their seats and we must move. We showed our seat reservations but she insisted they were hers. Spent so long arguing with us that the train departed but when the train manager arrived he pointed out they were on the wrong train....cue smiles all round from the other passengers irritated by their attitude. That was back before HS1 I think and there was a Paris train followed immediately by the Disneyland one and at Ashford they of course occupied both sides of the island platform at the same time. Demands that we stop at Lile for them to change were politely refused.

I seem to have had a day of it yesterday.

First of all, on arrival at King's Cross, woman comes charging up. "Is this the Welwyn train?". Reply with "yes", to which she replies "where is everyone then?". I pointed out that it doesn't depart for another thirty minutes. "You said it was platform 10". I pointed out that she'd boarded the train on platform 11, and her train had just departed from platform 10. She wouldn't have it that it was her mistake, and how on earth it was my error having simply arrived on a train as a passenger and trying to leave the station is beyond me.

Then, in the evening, sitting on train waiting to depart King's Cross, having boarded well early. About 30 seconds before departure time, with the train still being almost empty (only one other in my carriage), an old-ish guy with Brompton storms on, looks at me, huffs and puffs, then starts walking backwards through the train, makes a point of punching the button to open the door to the next carriage. Guessing he had the hump as he didn't get "his" seat? Mental health problems?
 

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Then, in the evening, sitting on train waiting to depart King's Cross, having boarded well early. About 30 seconds before departure time, with the train still being almost empty (only one other in my carriage), an old-ish guy with Brompton storms on, looks at me, huffs and puffs, then starts walking backwards through the train, makes a point of punching the button to open the door to the next carriage. Guessing he had the hump as he didn't get "his" seat? Mental health problems?
Or possibly just a bad day at the office. I've been guilty of worse.
 

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I like your style.

My week of weirdness seems to be continuing.

Today I was on the train heading into the London. The bay of four seats opposite was vacant, as is most of the rest of the train. Woman gets on, sees one of these four seats has an apple core on it. She starts moaning her head off, asks if I know anything about it, gives a lecture about how disgustingly awful it is, then storms off elsewhere and starts moaning to someone else about it. Then she phones a friend to start moaning, by which time the other person has politely told her to calm down and shut up. At King's Cross I noticed she was complaining to station staff...

I do wonder how some people would survive if there was a war, or more realistically what they’d do if they travelled on a light-night service covered with all sorts of substances red orange yellow and brown!
 
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Then, in the evening, sitting on train waiting to depart King's Cross, having boarded well early. About 30 seconds before departure time, with the train still being almost empty (only one other in my carriage), an old-ish guy with Brompton storms on, looks at me, huffs and puffs, then starts walking backwards through the train, makes a point of punching the button to open the door to the next carriage. Guessing he had the hump as he didn't get "his" seat? Mental health problems?

Reminded me of last week - when I was on the 1524 Thameslink service from PBO.

Bloke got on near the front, and proceeded to "glare" at me as I was sat in a bay of 4, in carriage 2 of the train - totally on my own in the carriage...

He grumbled something as he walked past me towards the front, before turning around - walking back (again with a glare), before (i presume) sitting further back down the train...
 
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