overthewater
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Some of the Roads within Edinburgh City Central are a complete an utter Disgrace, Frederick street for starts and have you seen Haymarket,
It should never have been changed to a roundabout. Edinburgh went through a phase of removing some of them about a decade ago, it's a shame they didn't remove this one and the one just down from it at the same time. I'm surprised there hasn't been a pile up at them.
Yes I've seen Haymarket and Frederick Street, they need sorted but on the whole I don't think that the roads in Edinburgh are significantly worse than other parts of the country. Both of the two streets mentioned have been redone in the last five years so questions really should be asked as to why they need doing again so soon. A relaid road should be lasting fifteen to twenty years if done correctly with only minor remedial work being done.
Re Gyle to Leith/Newhaven yes it would be quicker taking the car, however not everyone has a car and the Gyle complex has nowhere near enough spaces for everyone. Even if you do get a permit some companies have taken to limiting the number of days you are allowed to park so that everyone gets a turn at being able to park. There are a significant number of people do the Leith to Gyle journey on a daily basis to make the tram an attractive proposition.
A proposed extension of Edinburgh's tram line would cut one of Edinburgh's busiest streets down to one lane for 18 months. The closure of three lanes on Leith Walk would begin when construction on the £165.2m project, if approved, gets under way in 2019. A business case details extending the line by 2.8 miles (4.6km) from York Place to Newhaven.
Experience in Manchester has certainly shown that segregation from traffic is better. Both for the trams (more robust service) and road traffic (some drivers in GM still don't get how to handle trams, even though they're 25 years old!).I always thought one of the key benefits of trams was the ability to share roadspace with other vehicles, not to make some gross space grab on a previous public resource, excluding everyone else like a railway.
Especially when, as often in Edinburgh, there isn't a single tram anywhere in sight on the grabbed space, let alone nobody waiting for one.
Yeah, that's happened during the 2CC works in Manchester. Not underestimating the problems caused, but you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs...I'm sure the shopowners in Shandwick Place who were bankrupted by the non-accessibility to their premises for an extended period during Edinburgh's construction would have a different view.
I always thought one of the key benefits of trams was the ability to share roadspace with other vehicles, not to make some gross space grab on a previous public resource, excluding everyone else like a railway.
Especially when, as often in Edinburgh, there isn't a single tram anywhere in sight on the grabbed space, let alone nobody waiting for one.
Ignoring the grammar of the last sentence, the teams are so unwanted they're almost full or full the majority of the time...I always thought one of the key benefits of trams was the ability to share roadspace with other vehicles, not to make some gross space grab on a previous public resource, excluding everyone else like a railway.
Especially when, as often in Edinburgh, there isn't a single tram anywhere in sight on the grabbed space, let alone nobody waiting for one.
http://www.metro-report.com/news/ne...ng-to-begin-for-edinburgh-tram-extension.htmlEdinburgh city council approved the outline business case for extending the citys tram line from York Place to Leith and Newhaven on September 21. Tendering will now begin to find a potential contractor, before a final decision is taken in late 2018 whether to proceed.
The 4·6 km eastern extension was originally to have been built as the part of the first line, but was subsequently descoped when the project ran late and over budget. Now designated Phase 1A, it is provisionally budgeted at £165·2m. Construction is expected to take three years, followed by around four months of testing.
councillors will not make a final decision on taking the tram to Newhaven until autumn 2018 [...] we can't proceed with work to take trams down to Newhaven unless we're 100% certain we've rigorously scrutinised the business case and taken on board crucial lessons from the first phase.
Good news for all the tram appologists, terrible news for the majority of residents and businesses who are opposed to it.
It seems empirical evidence won't sway the objectors either, whom claim the trams are carting fresh air all day, when even a small amount of usage of them will show it's definitely not the case.
It seems empirical evidence won't sway the objectors either, whom claim the trams are carting fresh air all day, when even a small amount of usage of them will show it's definitely not the case.
Rubbish. The majority of people I know in Edinburgh want the tram extension to go ahead. There are a number of ****-stirrers who regularly bombard the the Edinburgh Evening News with their anti tram agenda (possibly taxi drivers who fear for their livelihood). Meanwhile there are thousands more happy regular tram users whose voice is never heard.Good news for all the tram appologists, terrible news for the majority of residents and businesses who are opposed to it.
Good news for all the tram appologists, terrible news for the majority of residents and businesses who are opposed to it.
Ask them to come to Manchester or Nottingham or Birmingham and see what trams have done for those cities. One recent example...Good news for all the tram appologists, terrible news for the majority of residents and businesses who are opposed to it.
Customer journeys increased by more than one million to total 6.6 million for the year [2018]. This represented a year on year growth of 19 per cent.
One of the reasons for success is linked [sic] to a new timetable which was launched at the beginning of last year to increase capacity, improve frequency and reduce journey times. The new service sees trams running from every seven minutes and connecting Edinburgh’s airport with the City Centre in under 35 minutes. Trials are now underway to double frequency at peak periods to keep up with the rising demand.
Staff have voted for industrial action.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-46350178
"Unite does not want to play Scrooge by interrupting Christmas travel for Edinburgh's citizens
Well, don't, then.
That said, the tram is a relative irrelevance in Edinburgh's great public transport scheme, and I'm sure people will just go by bus instead.
Loadings from Ingliston have always been good whenever I’ve used it.That said, the tram is a relative irrelevance in Edinburgh's great public transport scheme, and I'm sure people will just go by bus instead.