Sheffield/Rotherham Tram-Train update

[Qwertychops]

Used to work in Sheffield and lived in Rotherham, did the daily trip on the bus no. 69 , that was in the mid 80,s - That tram journey looks so much better

 

[Tim R-T-C]

I stopped by at Rotherham today and since I was on a Sheffield regional ticket, took a ride up to Parkgate and back.

Very active ticket checker onboard - are they on the standard trams as well? Presumably to stop people using train tickets on the trams.

The announcements at Rotherham did still seem quite random, kept warning people to standback from platform 1 even when nothing was happening.

 

[Bungle965]

I stopped by at Rotherham today and since I was on a Sheffield regional ticket, took a ride up to Parkgate and back.

Very active ticket checker onboard - are they on the standard trams as well? Presumably to stop people using train tickets on the trams.

The announcements at Rotherham did still seem quite random, kept warning people to standback from platform 1 even when nothing was happening.

Yes, I have always found that the Supertram conductors are keen to check tickets!
Sam

 

[button_boxer]

Very active ticket checker onboard - are they on the standard trams as well?

They're ticket sellers, not just checkers - Supertram has no platform ticket machines (they did in the very early days but haven't now for many years), so single fares are always purchased on board, and day/week tickets are also available from the conductor.

 

[sd0733]

Another crossing accident at Woodburn Road this evening and again involving a Tram train, 399202 involved in a collision with a car this evening.

Only link I can find is off a Facebook site.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2420080398020821&id=609632969065582

 

[talltim]

Seems to have hit a black people carrier

 

[unlevel42]

The incident was at the Staniforth Road* crossing and involved a car.
Same place as last time but in the opposite direction
At least this time they can stick the working bits of the trams/trains together by cutting and pasting- as they did in the past with the damaged Supertrams.

*Although it is the at the junction of Woodburn Road and Staniforth Road the former runs parallel to the tram route and crosses beyond the Woodburn Road stop

 

[unlevel42]

They're ticket sellers, not just checkers - Supertram has no platform ticket machines (they did in the very early days but haven't now for many years), so single fares are always purchased on board, and day/week tickets are also available from the conductor.

There are periodic ticket checkers who ask to see tickets and passes-often working in a small groups.

 

[stuartl]

From the pictures on the bbc website it looks as though, once again, it has involved a tram coming from meadowhall to sheffield at the staniforth rosd/woodburn road junction. At those lights there is a sharp curve on the meadowhall side which obscures the tram until it is very close to the lights. So anyone trying to beat the lights would have little time to get across before the tram was visible. Could the timing of the lights be altered to give a bigger delay so anyone trying to beat the lights would have a bigger safety margin? I'm not a driver or expert on traffic signals so don't know if this is a good idea or not.

 

[unlevel42]

From the pictures on the bbc website it looks as though, once again, it has involved a tram coming from meadowhall to sheffield at the staniforth rosd/woodburn road junction. At those lights there is a sharp curve on the meadowhall side which obscures the tram until it is very close to the lights. So anyone trying to beat the lights would have little time to get across before the tram was visible. Could the timing of the lights be altered to give a bigger delay so anyone trying to beat the lights would have a bigger safety margin? I'm not a driver or expert on traffic signals so don't know if this is a good idea or not.

The first incident involved a lorry going downhill along Staniforth Road and a tram train from City to Parkgate.
Today tram train was going in the opposite direction, Parkgate to City (with a restricted view of the crossing compared to the first incident) by the damage to the tram, the car was going uphill with a much better view of the oncoming tram.

 

[bluegoblin7]

At least this time they can stick the working bits of the trams/trains together by cutting and pasting- as they did in the past with the damaged Supertrams.

That depends on the damage - although it appears that the damage to 202 is confined to one end, the same cannot be said for 204.

 

[Harpers Tate]

The first incident involved a lorry going downhill along Staniforth Road and a tram train from City to Parkgate......

If you are referring to the incident on opening day, then I'm afraid you are mistaken. The tram(-train) was city bound. The grooves in the road surface are there as evidence - never mind the photographs taken at the time. And therefore, the lorry was going towards Darnall (up).

 

[unlevel42]

If you are referring to the incident on opening day, then I'm afraid you are mistaken. The tram(-train) was city bound. The grooves in the road surface are there as evidence - never mind the photographs taken at the time. And therefore, the lorry was going towards Darnall (up).

I am absolutely wrong and you are correct. My apologies.

 

[Bungle965]

What is the impact of this in terms of maintaining the current service pattern?
Is there still enough vehicles to do this?
Sam

 

[_toommm_]

What is the impact of this in terms of maintaining the current service pattern?
Is there still enough vehicles to do this?
Sam

Three needed plus one spare for the TT services... we're now on five but there's only two fitted with the correct wheels - lets hope they get the third by Monday...

 

[bluegoblin7]

Should be three with TT wheels - 206 was fitted out after 204's bump, leaving 201, 203 and 206 now available for TT services.

 

[button_boxer]

It's rather worrying that we've had two incidents in the space of a few weeks at that same location, both with inbound TT services. How many incidents have there been with the older tram vehicles at the same location? Is it something specific to the TTs that means they have a longer emergency stopping distance?

 

[Kite159]

Silly question, what is the distance from Tinsley/Meadowhall South to Rotherham Central & to Parkgate?

 

[_toommm_]

Silly question, what is the distance from Tinsley/Meadowhall South to Rotherham Central & to Parkgate?

The closest NR point to Meadowhall South is Tinsley North Jn, so from there to Rotherham is 1mi79ch, and from Tinsley North to Parkgate is 3mi12ch. I suspect the distance between Tinsley North Jn and Meadowhall South is negligible

 

[Harpers Tate]

Measured on google maps: Meadowhall South/Tinsley tram stop to
Rotherham Central Tram platform 2.35 miles
Parkgate Tram Stop 3.54 miles

 

[TC60054]

I make Tinsley tram stop to Tinsley North Jn at roughly 35 chains. The distance for Tinsley North Jn to Rotherham Central and Parkgate is available on Railmiles.

(3mi 12ch to Parkgate, and 1mi 79ch to Central as @_toommm_ has said above)

 

[SC43090]

The lorry driver involved with the opening day accident involving Tram Train 204 is due to appear in Sheffield Magistrate court on 14th February charged with driving without due care & attention also charged with contravening a red traffic light says South Yorkshire Police..... The info as come from the BBC Local news pages........

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[SC43090]

The Two tram trains that have been involved in Accidents 399204 & 399202 In October & November.... The 2 good ends have been married up to make one good working Tram train entered traffic sometime in the last few weeks.....


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[WatcherZero]

The truck driver responsible for the crash on the opening day of the tram-train service has been charged with dangerous driving and ignoring a red light.

https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/crim...field-to-rotherham-tram-train-crash-1-9506331

A man will appear in court charged with driving without due care and attention following a crash between a lorry and a tram-train in Sheffield. The 60-year-old, from Rotherham, is due to appear at Sheffield Magistrates’ Court on February 14 following the collision on October 25 – the day the service welcomed passengers for the first time.

The crash happened at the junction of Woodbourn Road and Staniforth Road in Darnall. South Yorkshire Police said the man will also be charged with contravening a red traffic light.

 

[spinba11]

The Two tram trains that have been involved in Accidents 399204 & 399202 In October & November.... The 2 good ends have been married up to make one good working Tram train entered traffic sometime in the last few weeks.....


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Will there be a new vehicle built to replace the 2 damaged halfs or are the damaged halfs being repaired?

 

[Harpers Tate]

I gather from elsewhere (I forget where) that the two-into-one damaged unit is going back to Stadler to be fully repaired to as-new. Whether the parts will be re-martialled back to their original formations upon its return, I don't know.

 

[TC60054]

I gather from elsewhere (I forget where) that the two-into-one damaged unit is going back to Stadler to be fully repaired to as-new. Whether the parts will be re-martialled back to their original formations upon its return, I don't know.

Why would they be? It'd just cause two fully working units to be taken out of service unnecessarily. The only chance they'd have of returning to their original formations would be if they managed to both have serious collisions on their respective ends - very unlikely. It's also a process that's been made twice before on Supertram (102/111 in 1995, 118/120 in 2015) and neither of those have been returned to original formations, for the reason above.

For the record, new formations:
Unit No1end-centre-no2end
399202 999002-999102-999204
399204 999004-999104-999202

 

[Harpers Tate]

As I say - I don't know. I could make assumptions as you clearly have, but that isn't the same as knowing.

 

[TC60054]

As I say - I don't know. I could make assumptions as you clearly have, but that isn't the same as knowing.

Where are the assumptions? They will NOT return to their original formations unless someone's really plotting against Supertram and wrecks two ends of the same two units again, at around the same time. Simply, there is no business case for pulling a serviceable unit off service just to change a carriage around.

 

[Harpers Tate]

It's a fair assumption.