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ScotRail HST Introduction - Updates & Discussion

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Geoff DC

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You can debate the issue of seats, layout and spacing until you're blue in the face, and nobody likes the lights, but one thing definitely true of the GWR HST refurb is that it was of very high build quality.

Hopefully you lot will complain loudly enough to get a change of plan so that you can have our brand new 3H1TACH1 IETs & us in Cornwall can have our HSTs back for long distance services
 
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You can debate the issue of seats, layout and spacing until you're blue in the face, and nobody likes the lights, but one thing definitely true of the GWR HST refurb is that it was of very high build quality.
On the surface, maybe. The less said about the technical condition of the vehicles, the better.
 

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I have no axe to grind, but six weeks ago Abellio thought they had a deal with the RMT, and presumably planned their guard training on that basis, using overtime and rest day working, as is usual. Then they found they hadn't a deal, and when the guards reimposed their overtime they were up the proverbial creek without a paddle. Surely some of the responsibility lies with the RMT for agreeing a deal which they then couldn't sell to their members.
 

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What's the easiest way to find HST's on RTT? I've never quite got the hang of it but noticed a slam door HST going into Inverness today so wondering if it will be out and about tomorrow.

You cant really. What it says on RTT is called a 'timing load'. Operators will often put their slowest train that may operate on that route as the timing load. For example, Northern often use Pacers as timing loads as they're slower than a sprinter, so that if a pacer makes its way onto the route, it won't lose time.

There isn't timing loads for every train - 170s are timed as 158s, 800s are still pathed as HSTs on GWR, and the 801s that LNER are testing are pathed as the 91/MK4 sets.

The only real way is to visit the TOPS request thread on the day, and ask what is allocated to a certain time train that day. It is user powered though so you may not always get an answer.
 

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Does anyone know if there’s a reason why there’ll be a mix of FGW and GWR ‘Classic’ sets used? Is it to do with availability? Just curious.
 

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Does anyone know if there’s a reason why there’ll be a mix of FGW and GWR ‘Classic’ sets used? Is it to do with availability? Just curious.

Purportedly the best of the best were chosen in terms of the structural quality, so it's just a mix of whatever the best was really.
 

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Purportedly the best of the best were chosen in terms of the structural quality, so it's just a mix of whatever the best was really.

My thoughts exactly - personally, I quite like the green GWR livery, quite classy. Classier than the First livery
 

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My thoughts exactly - personally, I quite like the green GWR livery, quite classy. Classier than the First livery

Couldn't agree more - same with what First have done with the TPE livery too.

The old GWR fag packet livery was awful.
 

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You cant really. What it says on RTT is called a 'timing load'. Operators will often put their slowest train that may operate on that route as the timing load. For example, Northern often use Pacers as timing loads as they're slower than a sprinter, so that if a pacer makes its way onto the route, it won't lose time.

There isn't timing loads for every train - 170s are timed as 158s, 800s are still pathed as HSTs on GWR, and the 801s that LNER are testing are pathed as the 91/MK4 sets.

The only real way is to visit the TOPS request thread on the day, and ask what is allocated to a certain time train that day. It is user powered though so you may not always get an answer.

Thanks for the information.
 

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I hope 43096 won't mind me copying this post into this relevant thread, to give a bit of an update regarding the Scotrail power cars:
All 54 ScotRail power cars have transferred over but not all are off GWR property yet: 43030/034/151 are still at Laira, along with 43149 which GWR have been contracted to undertake a G exam on.
 

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I hope 43096 won't mind me copying this post into this relevant thread, to give a bit of an update regarding the Scotrail power cars:
This might be a very silly question, but where are all these power cars being kept at the moment? I’m sure some of them are still getting work done at Brush, but what about the ones good to go?
 

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This might be a very silly question, but where are all these power cars being kept at the moment? I’m sure some of them are still getting work done at Brush, but what about the ones good to go?
Quick summary: 36 in Scotland, 8 at Brush, 4 at Laira, 4 at Ely and 2 at Wabtec Doncaster.
 

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If it had, Abellio would be making sure we all knew! I keep checking RTT for a movement from Wabtec to Craigentinny, but no sign.
 

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What are the educated predictions for Sunday onwards....

Is there enough in place to get by (by that I mean everything from trained staff to power cars to infrastructure), or are we looking at service cancellations?
 
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