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It just wouldn't be worth the training or the problems with getting them back to somewhere that can maintain them for the 3 or 4 trips per day. To get a 319 back to Allerton would be mean going via London or Scotland.
 
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It just wouldn't be worth the training or the problems with getting them back to somewhere that can maintain them for the 3 or 4 trips per day. To get a 319 back to Allerton would be mean going via London or Scotland.

However a 769 would not have such difficulties (crossing the Pennines under its own diesel engines).
 

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319373 is now in service with Northern.
319442 is now at Loughborough.
319456 has been converted to Class 769.
319002 is also at Loughborough. Wonder why though as this one was not earmarked to be converted, unless its going to GWR
 

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319002 is also at Loughborough. Wonder why though as this one was not earmarked to be converted, unless its going to GWR

GWR's are going to be 319/4s apparently.

Other Northern 319s at Loughborough are 319424/431/450.
 

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It just wouldn't be worth the training or the problems with getting them back to somewhere that can maintain them for the 3 or 4 trips per day. To get a 319 back to Allerton would be mean going via London or Scotland.

didnt they have a small fleet (was it 3?) of 312's for Leeds-Doncaster. think WYPTE paid for em.
 

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didnt they have a small fleet (was it 3?) of 312's for Leeds-Doncaster. think WYPTE paid for em.

Yes, but they're able to get back to their depot (Neville Hill) without having to travel a long distance.
 

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didnt they have a small fleet (was it 3?) of 312's for Leeds-Doncaster. think WYPTE paid for em.
312's never worked in that area they worked on the Great Eastern Main Line, The London Tilbury and Southend line and the Great Northern outer suburban from Kings Cross they last ran on 30th June 2004.
 
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didnt they have a small fleet (was it 3?) of 312's for Leeds-Doncaster. think WYPTE paid for em.
I believe it was a fleet of 5 307s that ran following electrification of the Doncaster to Leeds line until the 3 321/9s were ready for traffic. I think it was some time in 1993 that the 321/9s were introduced.
 

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I believe it was a fleet of 5 307s that ran following electrification of the Doncaster to Leeds line until the 3 321/9s were ready for traffic. I think it was some time in 1993 that the 321/9s were introduced.

Yes, I have a picture of a Class 307 at Ilford following repaint into WYPTE red and (?cream) livery in around 1990/1 from memory
 

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312's never worked in that area they worked on the Great Eastern Main Line, The London Tilbury and Southend line and the Great Northern outer suburban from Kings Cross they last ran on 30th June 2004.

There was also a small fleet of 312s that worked around Birmingham, probably from the mid 70s until the early 90s, this may be a source of confusion. Effectively a top up to the much larger 310 fleet, but I don't think they were often used on services from Euston.
 

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I believe it was a fleet of 5 307s that ran following electrification of the Doncaster to Leeds line until the 3 321/9s were ready for traffic. I think it was some time in 1993 that the 321/9s were introduced.
Yes as the 321/9's weren't introduced until July 1991 Class 307's were brought in as a stop gap measure and stayed there until 1993 as the 321's had technical faults.
 

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According to the latest Railway magazine the so far confirmed sets for 769 conversion are:
Northern: 424/431/434/442/448/450/456/458
TFW: 002/003/006/007/008
GWR: 422/423/425/427/428/430/432/435/436/437/438/439/440/443/445/447/449/452/459.


001 will be the Hydrogen Flex and 454 an innovation train

Using those numbers that leaves 52 units as standard 319s most of these at Northern or LNW these being 7 /0s (004/005/009/010/011/012/013), 7 /2s (214-220) 26 /3s (361-386) and 12 /4s (421/426/429/433/441/444/446/451/453/455/457/460)

I thought that 769000 at long marston is really 319426 in northern colours so it's surprising to see no mention of that one in the northern list.
 
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According to the latest Railway magazine the so far confirmed sets for 769 conversion are:
Northern: 424/431/434/442/448/450/456/458
TFW: 002/003/006/007/008
GWR: 422/423/425/427/428/430/432/435/436/437/438/439/440/443/445/447/449/452/459.


001 will be the Hydrogen Flex and 454 an innovation train

Using those numbers that leaves 52 units as standard 319s most of these at Northern or LNW these being 7 /0s (004/005/009/010/011/012/013), 7 /2s (214-220) 26 /3s (361-386) and 12 /4s (421/426/429/433/441/444/446/451/453/455/457/460)

I thought that 769000 at long marston is really 319426 in northern colours so it's surprising to see no mention of that one in the northern list.

Thanks for sharing this.

TfW have ordered another four units recently, so presumably these will be further 319/0s.
 

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According to the latest Railway magazine the so far confirmed sets for 769 conversion are:
Northern: 424/431/434/442/448/450/456/458
TFW: 002/003/006/007/008
GWR: 422/423/425/427/428/430/432/435/436/437/438/439/440/443/445/447/449/452/459.


001 will be the Hydrogen Flex and 454 an innovation train

Using those numbers that leaves 52 units as standard 319s most of these at Northern or LNW these being 7 /0s (004/005/009/010/011/012/013), 7 /2s (214-220) 26 /3s (361-386) and 12 /4s (421/426/429/433/441/444/446/451/453/455/457/460)

I thought that 769000 at long marston is really 319426 in northern colours so it's surprising to see no mention of that one in the northern list.

Thanks a lot for that, have updated the list to show this information. Would have thought it's just 319/4's being converted to 769.

Hopefully the remaining 319/2's will end up at Southern to help increase capacity on Metro services
 

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Thanks a lot for that, have updated the list to show this information. Would have thought it's just 319/4's being converted to 769.

Hopefully the remaining 319/2's will end up at Southern to help increase capacity on Metro services

An update for your list, 319426 (which is no longer being converted according to the list shared by sd0733) is still listed as due for Northern.
 

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Other updates for your list @Class455 :

Wolverton: 319012, 319448, 319458.
Brush: 319443.
 
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From what I can make out, most of the units that aren't going from store to a new TOC as a 769 aren't PRM modded.
001, 004, 009-011, 372, 373, 451, and 453-455 never received the modifications to operate beyond 2020.
002 and 008 seem to have been temporarily allocated (perhaps erroneously) to LNWR, possibly to "run in" before heading to Wales.
I can't for the life of me remember if 372 is due to be a long-term member of Northern's fleet, though I know 373 is only being used for short term cover. No idea why 421's being kept back.
Other updates for your list @Class455 :

Wolverton: 319012, 319448, 319448.
Brush: 319443.
Surely you mean 319458?
 

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From what I can make out, most of the units that aren't going from store to a new TOC as a 769 aren't PRM modded.
001, 004, 009-011, 372, 373, 451, and 453-455 never received the modifications to operate beyond 2020.
002 and 008 seem to have been temporarily allocated (perhaps erroneously) to LNWR, possibly to "run in" before heading to Wales.
I can't for the life of me remember if 372 is due to be a long-term member of Northern's fleet, though I know 373 is only being used for short term cover. No idea why 421's being kept back.

Surely you mean 319458?

I do indeed, post corrected.
 

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Thanks for sharing this.

TfW have ordered another four units recently, so presumably these will be further 319/0s.
Thanks a lot for that, have updated the list to show this information. Would have thought it's just 319/4's being converted to 769.

Hopefully the remaining 319/2's will end up at Southern to help increase capacity on Metro services
AIUI, there are 4 319/2s (all PRM-compliant) currently stored - 319214 seems to be on the return road at the moment, being at Crewe LNWR, and 217-219 are still unspoken for at Long Marston.
They would be a damn sight quicker to return to service than the 4 unreserved 319/0s (004, 009, 010, 011), as they would need new sounders and toilets installed, but then again, TfW might want to stick to a single subclass and use /0s throughout.
 

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Did the Class 319's have CCTV during their Thameslink days? Looking through my photos of the interiors it seems that the 319/0's and 319/2's didn't have CCTV fitted?
 

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Did the Class 319's have CCTV during their Thameslink days? Looking through my photos of the interiors it seems that the 319/0's and 319/2's didn't have CCTV fitted?

They didn't seem to.
 

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Interesting thread, been hearing rumours around the depot recently that northern are returning the 319’s due to taking on the remaining 323’s.
It’s only a rumour at the moment but it’s a strong rumour and seems to make sense.
 

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