MatthewRead
On Moderation
Apparently class 378's are to be used on the Gospel Oak-Barking line as a stop gap measure they will be shortened to 4 carriages as the terminal platform at Barking cannot accommodate 5 car trains is this true?
Indeed 378232 has been shortened to 4 cars to run temporarily on this line.
While this is quite true, what is the typical loading on a train between Surrey Quays and New Cross, or between Sydenham and Crystal Palace? Not at all high, I would be willing to bet.This could easily result in a 25% capacity reduction on one of the four ELL branches.
While this is quite true, what is the typical loading on a train between Surrey Quays and New Cross, or between Sydenham and Crystal Palace? Not at all high, I would be willing to bet.
It could cause unusually high loadings elsewhere of course and it may result in annoying gaps. Guess we will see if they issue any timetable changes.
Apparently class 378's are to be used on the Gospel Oak-Barking line as a stop gap measure they will be shortened to 4 carriages as the terminal platform at Barking cannot accommodate 5 car trains is this true?
If London Overground need to free up units they could always cut down on the New Cross services.
So far only the one train, what happens after that depends on what happens with the 172s, 710s and the timescale.
I wonder, to free up trains, maybe some Richmond trains could reverse at Gunnersbury? Even if this freed up one train, it could still help tremendously.
Hopefully the paths (when in passenger service) of the 4 car Goblin 378's will become known.
I think you mean "between London and Brighton every half an hour, including some fully loaded peak 12 car diagrams"...Simplistic answer: LO borrows some of the Gatwick Express 387s from GTR; shortening the 12 car diagrams to 8, reducing the amount of fresh air being moved between Victoria and Gatwick Airport every 15 minutes.
That would annoy a lot of people travelling from Richmond.I wonder, to free up trains, maybe some Richmond trains could reverse at Gunnersbury? Even if this freed up one train, it could still help tremendously.
While this is quite true, what is the typical loading on a train between Surrey Quays and New Cross, or between Sydenham and Crystal Palace? Not at all high, I would be willing to bet.
It could cause unusually high loadings elsewhere of course and it may result in annoying gaps. Guess we will see if they issue any timetable changes.
Better bet would be 387/1s off Great Northern, backfilled with the off-lease 365s.I think you mean "between London and Brighton every half an hour, including some fully loaded peak 12 car diagrams"...
Even if there were 6 daily diagrams where 12 coaches could be replaced with 8 without causing overcrowding, short forming their services in this way might breach GTR's franchise agreement.
Incorrect. There are plenty of passengers on the New Cross trains. Most people use the Overground to change at Canda Water for the Jubilee Line.A quick glance at the map would suggest that New Cross LO is neither here nor there compared to either picking up the DLR at Lewisham or going through to London Bridge, especially that the ELL does pass through Zone 1 (Shoreditch High Street). Oh and before anyone mentions St. John's, it is even more not-here-nor-there (unless going to/through London Bridge or maybe leaving the railway at New Cross) given the proximity and of Elverson Road DLR, especially as the latter receives a very frequent service.
Incorrect. There are plenty of passengers on the New Cross trains. Most people use the Overground to change at Canda Water for the Jubilee Line.
And why should all the commuters do this? Can the DLR cope with the additional patronage? I can answer the last one: it can't. They are rammed during peaks, even with the Stratford services extending to Lewisham.DLR from Lewisham to Canary Wharf or through to London Bridge for the Jubilee line? The former is about as fast with many more services on the first leg.
C2C 387's would be an even better option particularly at weekends when they have no booked diagramsBetter bet would be 387/1s off Great Northern, backfilled with the off-lease 365s.
That would annoy a lot of people travelling from Richmond.
Is it even possible to do without re-timing some District line services?
I think you mean "between London and Brighton every half an hour, including some fully loaded peak 12 car diagrams"...
Even if there were 6 daily diagrams where 12 coaches could be replaced with 8 without causing overcrowding, short forming their services in this way might breach GTR's franchise agreement.
And why should all the commuters do this? Can the DLR cope with the additional patronage? I can answer the last one: it can't. They are rammed during peaks, even with the Stratford services extending to Lewisham.
Why are tfl going to risk annoying passengers in their main networks for a 2 car branch line that can easily be served by rail replacement buses.
The new cross trains in the peaks take the people who can't physically fit onto the other services.
Remove them and the other services will be late.
Understand 378232 is out on the dc network today.
Yeah I tried going to New Cross Gate instead of New Cross a few years ago and I couldn't board any London Overground trains towards Dalston in the end had to take Southern, Southeastern to Cannon Street then Circle to Liverpool St and LO to Hackney Downs. Everything is crowded in the peaks around New Cross/Deptford/Surrey Quays in the peaks and this is the service that acts as our guaranteed train we can board.