? i dont feel i came across poorly to be fair, maybe i didnt explain it properly here
Before finding out the full details, I was ambivalent as to who was in the wrong in this situation. However, having read the story in full, I think we can pretty confidently say it is you, unfortunately.
No valid ticket - i have a valid monthly ticket and sat in 1st class on the understanding it was declassified, all he had to do was ask me to move like they normally do to others or explain that i have 21 days to pay it, i would of then taken that option
Unfortunately, a standard class ticket is not valid in first class, so you didn't have a valid ticket as you were in first class. The fact that it
would have been valid in standard class doesn't mean it isn't an offence to travel in first with a standard class ticket. The only exemption is where first is declassified, or where there is a published or announced policy of allowing on-train first upgrades (e.g. as some operators do on weekends).
No Money - there is no law stating i must carry money or my card for that matter, i have money thanks just not at the time, however i did state that i can pay as soon as i meet my partner at the station
There is no law saying you must have money on you to go around London, but if you are travelling by train, the normal expectation is that you have a valid ticket, and if you do not have a valid ticket, that you have the means for paying for a valid ticket
on your person. Failing to have either a ticket or the means to pay for a ticket
on you could be construed as intent to avoid payment of the correct fare, which is a more serious offence than merely travelling in the incorrect class of travel.
i refused to pay the fare on the spot as i couldnt but again i did explain that i can when i meet my partner or even when i get home, he never explained i had 21 days and didnt need to pay it on the spot
Unfortunately, refusing to pay on the spot is never going to work out well in such a situation. Whilst you do indeed have 21 days to pay a Penalty Fare, there is no obligation upon an operator to offer a Penalty Fare, and if a Revenue Protection Officer is aware you don't have the money to pay for a Penalty Fare there and then, they are entitled to take your details (MG11) instead.
lied about my address yes, my previous run with revenue protection was nothing liek this, i caused no problems and was helping a pregnant woman before i was grabbed by the arm and walked to another carrige, complained and it was noted and i was aplogised to, neither of these have any affect on this case
Lying about your address is never OK. It doesn't matter what the circumstances are.
when i was confronted last time with the pregnant lady situation i was a lil shook up to be honest and when cornered by this man i gave my wrong adress, i was stupid and it kind of brought that feeling back, i quickly fixed this by telling the man and calling thameslink whop agree it was handled wrong
Giving your incorrect address is wrong, and specifically an offence (regardless of anything else you do), whether you correct the mistake afterwards or not.