EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...

[YorkshireBear]

Is anyone bored of this yet? Does anyone actually no longer care anymore? I am so fed up of it dividing family, friendship groups and the wider country I have stopped engaging in conversations about it with anyone except my wife. All I want to know now is what I need to travel to Germany to drink their beer, eat their food and ride their railway network!

I come to this thread occasionally to see if there has been any developments I missed but the conversations don't seem to change (not an insult)... And while all this is happening the rest of the country is hardly being run.

 

[trash80]

I lost the will to live over this a long time ago, i loathe everything about it

 

[Kite159]

I see Steptoe (Corbyn) has been on the telly again reading from his script about how he plans to vote down any sort of deal in the vague hope of forcing another election in an attempt to grab power...

I presume it was live and not a recording from any point in the past couple years as he doesn't change his tone.

 

[nlogax]

Is anyone bored of this yet? Does anyone actually no longer care anymore?

Yes and no. I love the political theatre and almost daily Westminster drama in the way some people like soap operas. After these last two and a half year politics will never be the same - and maybe that's a positive.

At the same time I'm sick and tired of what it's doing to the UK. I fear the country may not recover for a generation, maybe two.

 

[Geezertronic]

If there was a General Election, I don't think there is any party that I can actually vote for in good grace. Neither Conservative or Labour stand out for someone like me, neither do any of the other fringe parties out there

 

[nidave]

Every day, in every way, Farage gets more odious. If anyone deserves to be s*at on, it's him. So Basher's "News" ought to have been true, but it's proven to be as Fake as Farage.

He will be ok - he has a German passport I believe and is in bed with trump and Russia so Brexit wont impact him (as usual its pain for everyone else with people like him BJ & JRM)

 

[jellybaby]

I am so fed up of it dividing family, friendship groups and the wider country

There was someone on the wireless this morning talking about a solution that would unite the country. I don't think that is possible.

 

[nidave]

TRAIN passengers face No Deal chaos as Chris Grayling rushes to lay on emergency freight services across Kent.

The Sun can reveal the Department for Transport is in talks with two foreign-owned freight giants to urge them to run six extra locos through the night from April to guarantee the flow of food and medicines.
And Whitehall sources separately claim officials have written to Southeastern to warn of possible disruption on its commuter route into London in case extra freight deliveries are needed in the day to tackle huge blockages at Dover and Folkestone.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit/8150537/no-deal-brexit-transport-chaos-emergency-services/

More great news coming from Westminster - I dont know if its worth posting this in the main forum as its relevant.

 

[bramling]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit/8150537/no-deal-brexit-transport-chaos-emergency-services/

More great news coming from Westminster - I dont know if its worth posting this in the main forum as its relevant.

So a few extra freight trains = commuter chaos?

What about all the commuter chaos we already have on roads and railways thanks to congestion as a result of population growth?

 

[Senex]

There was someone on the wireless this morning talking about a solution that would unite the country. I don't think that is possible.

That was Richard Burgon for Labour on the Today programme, wasn't it? Talking about a solution that would unite the country but without any ideas for what such a solution could be. I agree with you that it seems unlikely that one is possible. The split is too deep, and the way the last two-and-a-half years have been handled with no attempt at reconciliation or cross-party talk at all have served only to harden positions. It has all been too blatantly a case of trying to keep the Tory right wing vaguely on board.

It is amusing that we hear today that the contemptible Mrs May is now indeed talking to Labour MPs and even trade union leaders to try to persuade them to come on board with her deal, after her lengthy period of wanting nothing to do with them. As for Corbyn, what are we to make of a party leader who said he was going to listen to the membership but who from his Wakefield speech today is rigidly sticking to personal views that seem a long way off from the views of a great majority of the members of his party?

 

[nidave]

So a few extra freight trains = commuter chaos?

What about all the commuter chaos we already have on roads and railways thanks to congestion as a result of population growth?

So we are back at this as an idea... I seem to recall we have had this discussion and you dont even commute.
Since you seem to care so much about everyone else and are totally selfless and altruistic I would have thought this would be important to you as it makes things worse than they are already - remember all current EU nationals are able to stay and non eu (and eu) migration wont stop.
what about the queues of lorries all over the south west in the event a nasty no deal Brexit - is this a good thing as well?

 

[bramling]

So we are back at this as an idea... you know my thoughts about you on this.

I'm merely trying to point out, in a roundabout way, that the article doesn't really have much in the way of a factual basis, just some journalist's thought that extra freight trains will somehow bring some form of chaos to the Kent rail system.

I think many people would happily take a few extra freight trains versus 100,000s of potential extra rail passengers every year...

 

[EM2]

...some journalist's thought that extra freight trains will somehow bring some form of chaos to the Kent rail system.

Try planning and pathing those extra freight trains!

 

[bramling]

Try planning and pathing those extra freight trains!

But surely that's the point - they'll be planned and pathed, so there won't just be chaos (unless one breaks down somewhere inconvenient!). Sure not necessarily an easy task, but equally not impossible.

 

[NSEFAN]

But surely that's the point - they'll be planned and pathed, so there won't just be chaos (unless one breaks down somewhere inconvenient!). Sure not necessarily an easy task, but equally not impossible.

It may be necessary to cancel some trains in order to fit them in, hence fewer passenger services, which could easily bring chaos now that the remaining trains will be even more overcrowded and take longer to dispatch. Even with zero immigration, those commuters who need the train to get to work aren't going to disappear.

 

[EM2]

But surely that's the point - they'll be planned and pathed, so there won't just be chaos (unless one breaks down somewhere inconvenient!). Sure not necessarily an easy task, but equally not impossible.

There may well be chaos, if the only way to path them is to delay, divert, or cancel passenger services.

 

[nidave]

But surely that's the point - they'll be planned and pathed, so there won't just be chaos (unless one breaks down somewhere inconvenient!). Sure not necessarily an easy task, but equally not impossible.

Ok - if you say so - less space for another commuter path - Why bother adding another train for passengers when we can take all these (apparently) spare paths for extra freight...

I'm merely trying to point out, in a roundabout way, that the article doesn't really have much in the way of a factual basis, just some journalist's thought that extra freight trains will somehow bring some form of chaos to the Kent rail system.

I think many people would happily take a few extra freight trains versus 100,000s of potential extra rail passengers every year...

WOW. Just WOW. You have been told time and time again brexit is going to do sweet FA about it as we keep saying most immigration is non EU and even after brexit we will still have to have immigration from EU and non EU countries in order to pay for your (and my) state pension and the nhs (that is unless the country tanks and its not worth coming over - then your pension will be worthless and the NHS will be sold to the lowest bidder or cut even worse than it is now).

Oh and...how is the massive commuting issues going to be solved with queues of lorries across the south.


God forbid anyone gets cancer (my ex nearly died from it. Its nasty and changes your life forever and rips your life apart - thankfully they are fully recovered now)

At the end of 2018, secretary of state for health Matt Hancock boasted that he was now the “world’s largest buyer of fridges” to stockpile food and drugs in case of a no-deal Brexit.

Since August 2018, when the UK government told pharmaceutical companies to stockpile medicines in order to navigate a no-deal scenario Brexit, doctors, drugmakers and NHS administrators have expressed doubts on the plan’s viability, given that Britain does not have enough cold chain warehouses to store the extra drug reserves.


But little attention has been given to another stark challenge that patients and clinicians might face. Some key diagnostic tools and cancer treatments rely on radioactive isotopes that would decay until they became effectively useless if they are held up in the anticipated six-week border delay that's expected from a no-deal Brexit.

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/no-...cer?utm_medium=applenews&utm_source=applenews

 

[Domh245]

Is anyone bored of this yet? Does anyone actually no longer care anymore? I am so fed up of it dividing family, friendship groups and the wider country I have stopped engaging in conversations about it with anyone except my wife. All I want to know now is what I need to travel to Germany to drink their beer, eat their food and ride their railway network!

I come to this thread occasionally to see if there has been any developments I missed but the conversations don't seem to change (not an insult)... And while all this is happening the rest of the country is hardly being run.

I'm in a similar boat, I'm bored of Brexit now, and whilst I still think it's a terrible idea I have stopped caring about it, whatever happens happens. The sad thing is thinking about how much parliamentary time has been spent on it (and will have to be spent on it in the future, with any future trade deals with the EU and the rest of the world) and all the things that could have been debated instead.

 

[nidave]

I'm in a similar boat, I'm bored of Brexit now, and whilst I still think it's a terrible idea I have stopped caring about it, whatever happens happens. The sad thing is thinking about how much parliamentary time has been spent on it (and will have to be spent on it in the future, with any future trade deals with the EU and the rest of the world) and all the things that could have been debated instead.

£4.3 Billion - 10,000 extra civil servants (and more needed) think of what could be done with that money and the resources - throw a billion of that up north to sort of the extra paths on the Oxford Road Corridor and the extra platforms at Piccadilly that would help 10's of thousands of people - Use the money to ease congestion in the south and re open more lines - re open / create some railway lines in N. Ireland - Think of what extra infrastructure we could have had with that money.

 

[nidave]

Another £1.5 Million paid needlessly due to government incompetence.

Ministers paid the European Commission £1.5 million for ‘translation services’ as Brexit negotiations drew to a close.

It comes after the Department for Exiting the European Union (DExEU) were ridiculed for sending “clunky” translations of the Brexit white paper into 22 European languages.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/polit...r.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

My favourite part

Welsh speakers complained that their version used the word ‘cenhadaeth’ to mean the mission of an organisation. In fact, it most closely translates to ‘religious evangelism’.

 

[Howardh]

There was someone on the wireless this morning talking about a solution that would unite the country. I don't think that is possible.

Those that want to live in the UK and keep their membership of the EU can, and leavers living in the UK can leave the EU. Sounds good to me and solves everything (except the Irish Border) - remainers can get a card which entitles full movement freedoms, access to the EU courts, unlimited imports from the EU, tarrif-free imports/exports etc.
Meanwhile leavers can do without all of the above, be given navy-blue passports, pay tarriffs on all food and drink imports from the EU, keep to strict duty-free/paid limits and enjoy their straight/bendy bananas.
Can's see a problem with it, after all in Baarle Hertog your next-door neighbour will probably live in another country...
Country united, what's not to love?!!

 

[HH]

Now that his bluff has been called, Basher is conspicuous by his absence...

 

[NorthernSpirit]

So as it stands, there is no majority in Parliament for

• no deal
• the PM's deal
• hypothetical Labour renegotiated deal
• change to Article 50 timetable
• no confidence vote in government and ensuing general election
• Norway
• second referendum/'People's Vote'

It has to be said that a WTO Brexit would benefit the country on more than one way, one example is Britain regaining its seat at the Wolrd Trade Organisation where we can do business directly with other countries without having to go to Brussels or Strasboug.

There'll never be a second referendum as unbeknown to others, we've already had a second referendum and that was on the 22nd June 2016 (the first one being in the 1970's when Britain was to join the EEC or not). Those clinging on to the EU like a dying limb need to get a grip and see the bigger picture, that the EU is a dying political union which only benefits the has-been politicans and not the people. It needs to be said that the EU is very much on the lines of George Orwell's 1984 and yet most university students and those with highly paid jobs want this socialist, communist, inward looking, political ponzi scheme.

Should government ignore the will of the 2016 referendum then they will almost certainly be uprisings that we have never seen before, as you can feel it in the air.

 

[HH]

I'm in a similar boat, I'm bored of Brexit now, and whilst I still think it's a terrible idea I have stopped caring about it, whatever happens happens. The sad thing is thinking about how much parliamentary time has been spent on it (and will have to be spent on it in the future, with any future trade deals with the EU and the rest of the world) and all the things that could have been debated instead.

I've been there and got through that phase. I feel I owe it to my children, and my children's children, to at least make some effort to stop this disastrous waste of money to make things worse.

 

[Groningen]

So according to The Times some consultations in the NHS will be done with Skype.

 

[HH]

Should government ignore the will of the 2016 referendum then they will almost certainly be uprisings that we have never seen before, as you can feel it in the air.

That's all right, we can send the army in. Should make the next vote a foregone conclusion.

 

[trash80]

Should government ignore the will of the 2016 referendum then they will almost certainly be uprisings that we have never seen before, as you can feel it in the air.

They only fight on Saturdays.

 

[EM2]

It has to be said that a WTO Brexit would benefit the country on more than one way, one example is Britain regaining its seat at the Wolrd Trade Organisation where we can do business directly with other countries without having to go to Brussels or Strasboug.

Even though there is no other country in the world that trades on WTO rules. None. Even the oft-mentioned Mauritania is a member of the African Union and the Group Of 77.
If its such a great benefit, why does no nation do it?

There'll never be a second referendum as unbeknown to others, we've already had a second referendum and that was on the 22nd June 2016 (the first one being in the 1970's when Britain was to join the EEC or not).

One-all then. Make it best of three?

 

[Esker-pades]

It has to be said that a WTO Brexit would benefit the country on more than one way, one example is Britain regaining its seat at the Wolrd Trade Organisation where we can do business directly with other countries without having to go to Brussels or Strasboug.

That will not make the process of negotiating trade deals short-term. It will still take a number of years to negotiate a deal. That is a number of years where the country will be in much worse off position than it was before it left the EU. That's assuming that these deals will make us better off (which is quite a long shot).

There'll never be a second referendum as unbeknown to others, we've already had a second referendum and that was on the 22nd June 2016 (the first one being in the 1970's when Britain was to join the EEC or not).

So it's 1 - 1 then? We need a decider? Good! I agree.

Those clinging on to the EU like a dying limb need to get a grip and see the bigger picture that the EU is a dying political union which only benefits the has-been politicans and not the people.

Yes, those famous men-of-the-people like Jacob Rees-Mogg. There are politicians and very wealthy individuals on both sides. This idea that it is The Establishment v Everyone else is simply rubbish.

Support for the EU amongst all other EU member states is going up. The migrant crisis hasn't seen the EU break apart. I do not see the EU as a dying political union. If you have some examples, that would be most welcome.

It needs to be said that the EU is very much on the lines of George Orwell's 1984 and yet most university students and those with highly paid jobs want this socialist, communist, inward looking, political ponzi scheme.

How is the EU an Orwellian nightmare? How is it socialist? How is it communist? How is it any more inward looking than us? Define "ponzi scheme" and then explain how the EU is one.

Should government ignore the will of the 2016 referendum then they will almost certainly be uprisings that we have never seen before, as you can feel it in the air.

If nothing else works, the threats of violence will...

 

[NorthernSpirit]

That's all right, we can send the army in. Should make the next vote a foregone conclusion.

If the army was to be sent in and going by the way ex army are treated, it would end up splitting and siding with the people which would lead to a very messy situation of a political coup. You only have to look at other countries where this has happened and think "how long until it happens here?".