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EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...

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What I can feel in the air is a mood shift on Brexit. More and more people are realising they've been sold a pig in a poke. What can be smelt is the fear of Brexiteers that the game is up.
 
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If the army was to be sent in and going by the way ex army are treated, it would end up splitting and siding with the people which would lead to a very messy situation of a political coup. You only have to look at other countries where this has happened and think "how long until it happens here?".
Is that a serious comment? You think the army will turn around and overthrow the government of this country because of Brexit?
 

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It needs to be said that the EU is very much on the lines of George Orwell's 1984 and yet most university students and those with highly paid jobs want this socialist, communist, inward looking, political ponzi scheme.

So why do all these people, who have higher than average intelligence, disagree with you?
 

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Is that a serious comment? You think the army will turn around and overthrow the government of this country because of Brexit?
Troops won't be sent in anyway. George Soros has an army of Robots, dontcha know.
 

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How is the EU an Orwellian nightmare? How is it socialist? How is it communist? How is it any more inward looking than us? Define "ponzi scheme" and then explain how the EU is one.

Well watch the film "1984" and compare that to the EU, very much similar. Take note of "Newspeak" which is political correctness, note how broadcasters overly use the degrating term spokesperson instead of spokesman. The EU is socialist as its the elements of a single party government in which, we the people, are unable to vote out when we want change. Its communist as the EU wants more Europe, where no matter where you were born e.g British your birth identity is taken from you and your forced to accept against your own will some plastic identity. Have you also seen the goosestepping that the EU performs when they're opening their "parliament", if that ain't commy what is?

Here's Guy Verhofstadt losing his temper with countries who are refusing to hand over their sovereignty.

Here's a few others which may be of interest...




 

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...of all the things posted on this thread, this takes the biscuit.

Why not it's a fair enough point. If people are at uni or in high paid jobs its likely they are going to be pretty clever (not all but Oxbridge PPE students aside they will be). If 100s of 1000s of clever people disagreed with something i was asserting then maybe i would be reconsidering it.
 

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Well watch the film "1984" and compare that to the EU, very much similar. Take note of "Newspeak" which is political correctness, note how broadcasters overly use the degrating term spokesperson instead of spokesman.
I think you've confused your alt-right triggers. "Political correctness" does not come from the EU, nor will it end when/if we leave. "Spokesperson" is not degrading.

The EU is socialist as its the elements of a single party government in which, we the people, are unable to vote out when we want change.
That is wrong. The parliament is made up of 8 blocks (the equivalent of parties) and some independent MEPs. 3 of these blocks make up the "commission" (the majority).

If you're referring to the Commission, that is elected by member states (one commissioner per member state). We can change our representative in the Commission.

Its communist as the EU wants more Europe, where no matter where you were born e.g British your birth identity is taken from you and your forced to accept against your own will some plastic identity. Have you also seen the goosestepping that the EU performs when they're opening their "parliament", if that ain't commy what is?
You seem to be confused about Communism. What you have stated is not what the EU is doing, nor is it what communism is.

1. He's not losing his temper
2. He is simply posing a choice
3. That was in 2011, and such events have not happened in the intervening 7-8 years
4. The states he is referring to in the segment about borders are the states who have signed up to the Schengen area. It was their choice to, and they have to follow the treaty, or leave.

Here's a few others which may be of interest...
I don't have timed to watch these videos I'm afraid, but I can already see problems.
One video refers to the Euro, which we have an opt-out of and will always have an opt-out of if we remain in the EU.
Another video is by an author who has videos such as "black people need Tommy Robinson" and "shariah law, ethno state" etc., So forgive me if I have my serious reservations.
 

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Well watch the film "1984" and compare that to the EU, very much similar. Take note of "Newspeak" which is political correctness, note how broadcasters overly use the degrating term spokesperson instead of spokesman.
"Political correctness" is present all over the modern world, including outside the EU. And why is using spokesperson rather than spokesman degrading? Its a more generic term, given these days women can do the job too.

The EU is socialist as its the elements of a single party government in which, we the people, are unable to vote out when we want change.
A one party state is not the same thing as socialist state. Germany is quite a socialist country and yet they don't operate with a majority political party. Your tone implies that socialism is a negative thing, yet its the principle by which you get your NHS and other public utilities like roads maintained.

Its communist as the EU wants more Europe, where no matter where you were born e.g British your birth identity is taken from you and your forced to accept against your own will some plastic identity.
Have you also seen the goosestepping that the EU performs when they're opening their "parliament", if that ain't commy what is?
If someone thinks that the EU is a good thing then why should they not want other countries to join? Nations are free to come and go as they please, the EU ain't forcing us to stay if we don't like it. Indeed we are leaving, we can even leave without a deal if we really want to. Each member of the EU is still a country, we are and always have been British the whole time we've been in the EU. The only difference is we agree to standardise some rules to make it easier for us to work with other members, which facilitates trade and makes us better off.

Guy Verhofstadt is the EU as much as Theresa May is the UK or Donald Trump is the USA. None of these people are dictators and (as they are perhaps all finding out, in their own ways) stamping their feet in a childish tantrum won't get them what they want, because democracy doesn't work like that. Its embarrassing to think that someone else round the world might be thinking that I want to leave the EU on worse terms than I was before, because that's what the leader seems to think is a good idea.
 

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Guys, I wouldn't give that paranoid fake news the time of day to answer. Let NorthernSpirit continue to destroy any credibility he might have left - he's doing a great job so far...
 

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Guys, I wouldn't give that paranoid fake news the time of day to answer. Let NorthernSpirit continue to destroy any credibility he might have left - he's doing a great job so far...
NorthernSpirit's addiction to conspiracy theories will probably bring Alex Jones's drivel to the argument soon. That will ensure that these posts are categorised appropriately.
 

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Now that his bluff has been called, Basher is conspicuous by his absence...
Could say that about the ERG - gone very quiet now since their bluff has been called - vote the deal through or risk no Brexit at all. Therfore I am now on the side of the ERG hoping they vote the deal down; by heck, I've suddenly developed a crush for Rees-Smug.

Nurse?

NURSE....o_O o_O o_O
 

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Why not it's a fair enough point. If people are at uni or in high paid jobs its likely they are going to be pretty clever (not all but Oxbridge PPE students aside they will be). If 100s of 1000s of clever people disagreed with something i was asserting then maybe i would be reconsidering it.
Oh yeah very clever.
Example...every year some York Uni students manage to get so blathered that they fall in the River Ouse and kill themselves. Upshot...they want railings all along the riverbanks.
No other group does this, no other group needs the world changing for them, no other group can't control themselves to such an extent.
And you think they're clever ?
Give me strength.G

And your second point of high wages meaning high intelligence, oh dear. I take it you think Wayne Rooney is your intellectual superior ?
 

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Apologies for responding to posts from a week ago, I've been out of the loop over the return to work period

As we have seen recently the number of UKIP MPs resigning from UKIP

What MP's were they then?

At least Dutch people in the UK will be welcome to stay here.

Will they?, where's the reciprocal agreement/ proposal mentioned?
The only one I've seen is all or none

It was reported on the BBC news when it happened, then after that he had to have a minder to protect him as he campaigned to free this great United Kingdom from the corrupt EU.

Link or it didn't happen, but I see you've already been called out on that a few times

I'm not here to prove anything for you, may be you should prove you know how to search on Google, and other search engines.

Won't do it because you know you won't and can't find anything.
Plus, the BBC wouldn't delete a news story from their webspace, if it had existed in the first place, it would be searchable through cached data. That it just can't be found nails the theory that it's bullsh*t

I fear the country may not recover for a generation, maybe two.

Perhaps the 50 years Rees- Mogg refers to?

(the first one being in the 1970's when Britain was to join the EEC or not)

That was also a vote to decide whether to remain or leave, NOT to join or not...
https://www.historyextra.com/period/modern/britain-decides-the-first-european-referendum/
We didn't get the option of whether we were joining or not in 1973
 

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Oh yeah very clever.
Example...every year some York Uni students manage to get so blathered that they fall in the River Ouse and kill themselves. Upshot...they want railings all along the riverbanks.
No other group does this, no other group needs the world changing for them, no other group can't control themselves to such an extent.
And you think they're clever ?
Give me strength.G

And your second point of high wages meaning high intelligence, oh dear. I take it you think Wayne Rooney is your intellectual superior ?

In the same way not everyone who voted Brexit is racist, not every students has been that drunk they didn't comprehend the danger of a river!
 

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I was quite amused by the assertion that no other group does this, does Muttley mean no other group gets drunk, or fall in a waterway?
 

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Well watch the film "1984" and compare that to the EU, very much similar.

This is true. For eample, I know that Manchester United beat Liverpool last month, but when I go to the newspaper websites they all say that Liverpool won the game! This is just one of the ways in which the EU is rewriting history!

NorthernSpirit's addiction to conspiracy theories will probably bring Alex Jones's drivel to the argument soon. That will ensure that these posts are categorised appropriately.

I'm on tenterhooks for "Well, actually Nazi is an abbreviation of National Socialist, so..."
 

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I was quite amused by the assertion that no other group does this, does Muttley mean no other group gets drunk, or fall in a waterway?
Neither.
Go back and read what I wrote, it's clear enough.

I note the throw away WR comment might actually have some traction.:lol:
 

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This is also of some interest. Want proof, well here it is.
http://www.dailyglobe.co.uk/comment...Q7xhs9ONfS2tO0lEw2OZzeeF2yhV_35uBUegsVBaP8Qo8
Don't tell me that the EU was built for peace as it wasn't.

Someone mentioned that the term Nazi is short for National Socialist, well if you took any interest in history when in school you'll find that it is. Sadly this forum seems to think that no matter how many links you post from the Guardian / Owen Jones' creche or the (Sub)Standard (which are both lefty papers) that someone with a opposing view will take you serious, as they won't.

Some of you should watch the videos made by "Reverend Simon Sideways" as he does point out facts.
 

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Don't tell me that the EU was built for peace as it wasn't.
Yeah, 'cos war has been raging between member states for the last sixty years :rolleyes:
Someone mentioned that the term Nazi is short for National Socialist, well if you took any interest in history when in school you'll find that it is.
And at school, we also learned that National Socialism is far removed from traditional left wing Marxist international Socialism
 

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... the (Sub)Standard (which are both lefty papers)
Well, at least you have a sense of humour claiming that a paper 24% owned by the Daily Mail and edited by none other than ex-Bullington Club member George Osborne is "lefty". If you really do see it that way you must have such a right-wing skewed view on politics that you would see nazis as lefties.
I'm amazed that honest leavers (some of whom I know personally), have such dangerous bedfellows.
 
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