How??The EVN (European Vehicle Number) is on the data plate on each coach (pic in my post #410 above).
You can decode the set number from that.
How??The EVN (European Vehicle Number) is on the data plate on each coach (pic in my post #410 above).
You can decode the set number from that.
How??
How??
Thanks - I do know thatLook at the 6 digit vehicle number. That 2 digits identify the set. 471001 is the DMF of 397001 for example.
Thanks - I do know that
I was meaning how to work it out from the EVN, which is a lot longer than 6 digits.
ThanksI think this should explain it:
https://www.rssb.co.uk/Pages/improving-industry-performance/rail-vehicle-numbering-explained.aspx
Almost certainly never.How long before a 6th carriage is added though?
Almost certainly never.
TOCs don’t spend money on rolling stock. It,s ROSCOs that do that and charge TOCs a leasing charge. if the servic becomes too popular, the Passengers in Excess of Capacity factor comes in and may make it worthwhile financially to lengthen trains. But that would require a long time left on the lease in order to benefit.It isn't important if you think they need to be 13 carriages long. First got their sums hopelessly wrong with the TPE franchise and they aren't going to splash the cash when the franchise is haemorrhaging money. Not that they would anyway unless it was a specific franchise commitment. I really don't understand where this presumption of franchises spending money they're not committed to spend comes from. It's fantasy.
TOCs don’t spend money on rolling stock. It,s ROSCOs that do that and charge TOCs a leasing charge. if the servic becomes too popular, the Passengers in Excess of Capacity factor comes in and may make it worthwhile financially to lengthen trains. But that would require a long time left on the lease in order to benefit.
Of course TOCs spend money on rolling stock. They lease it - do you think they pay the lease charges with buttons?TOCs don’t spend money on rolling stock. It,s ROSCOs that do that and charge TOCs a leasing charge. if the servic becomes too popular, the Passengers in Excess of Capacity factor comes in and may make it worthwhile financially to lengthen trains. But that would require a long time left on the lease in order to benefit.
Think they were referring to *new* rolling stock.Of course TOCs spend money on rolling stock. They lease it - do you think they pay the lease charges with buttons?
The option was supposed to be exercised before 1st April 2018, if First chose to take it up. Presumably First could still go to CAF and request 'X' additional class 397 units, but it would be subject to an entirely new contract and price.The TPE franchise at least has priced options for new/longer EMUs, but they will no doubt be time-limited by CAF.
But that’s rental not capital spend. If they bought extra coaches, either they’d end up with an asset on their books or hawk them round ROSCOs to offload them as some companies have done. The problem in this case is that they’d be tied to a ROSCO who owned a compatible train to put them in thus reducing the market to one with all the lack of financial leverage that would ensue in this case. Far better to get the ROSCO to make the investment and lease them along with the rest of the train. It’s a complicated world, isn’t it?Of course TOCs spend money on rolling stock. They lease it - do you think they pay the lease charges with buttons?
Given not one has entered service yet, if that is the case then someone needs bringing up over the contract. You would surely expect a time out clause on options to be within X months/weeks of the last one entering service. Having a hard deadline for ordering more, that could be before the first has turned a wheel in passenger operations would be the pit of stupidity, and so I am convinced it is what will have happened.The option was supposed to be exercised before 1st April 2018, if First chose to take it up. Presumably First could still go to CAF and request 'X' additional class 397 units, but it would be subject to an entirely new contract and price.
Give it a year or two and overcrowding will be back where it was, then. I am confident that all of the TPE stock will need to be 7 or even 8-car eventually. The step change in quality will attract lots of new passengers - even from VTWC.
They're for the WCML runs.So what are the 397s for? Are they for the proposed ECML runs to Edinburgh?
397 replace 350s on WMCL. IEP on Edinburgh via ECMLSo just to remind myself, the 185s are planned to be doubled up on the Airport to Cleethorpes runs, and the IEPs on the Airport/Liverpool to Glasgow/Edinburgh services, and the MK5a sets on the services to Scarborough and presumably Middlesbrough?
So what are the 397s for? Are they for the proposed ECML runs to Edinburgh?
So just to remind myself, the 185s are planned to be doubled up on the Airport to Cleethorpes runs, and the IEPs on the Airport/Liverpool to Glasgow/Edinburgh services, and the MK5a sets on the services to Scarborough and presumably Middlesbrough?
The Liverpool to Newcastle trains will become Liverpool to Edinburgh. The first one begins on 20 May which is the 2025 from Liverpool (through Newcastle at 2325 ish) and something in the region of 0600 from Edinburgh (0735 or thereabouts from Newcastle) to Liverpool. Class 185 operated for now.