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The New 16-17 Saver

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daniel1234321

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Has anyone heard anything about the introduction of the 16-18 Railcard recently? I heard a while ago it was being trialled.
 
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16 - 18 already has a Railcard as part of the 16-25 or as some still call it, the Young Persons Railcard.
 

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16 - 18 already has a Railcard as part of the 16-25 or as some still call it, the Young Persons Railcard.
The RDG is introducing a new railcard just for 16-18 year olds however, that gets them 50% off and has no minimum fare at peak times (unlike the 16-25 one).
 

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On the other hand, could be argued that this acts as a form of ID for older "children", thereby getting around the problem that, since 16/17 year olds are less likely to carry ID then it's difficult to judge whether they should have a child ticket. This therefore would remove both chancers and legitimate travel with a child ticket for older looking "children" (I certainly had a couple of problems at 15, and it would have been grim had child tickets gone up to 18).
 

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When they introduce the 16-18 Railcard, do you think they will also alter the 16-25 railcard to 18-25?
 

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On the other hand, could be argued that this acts as a form of ID for older "children", thereby getting around the problem that, since 16/17 year olds are less likely to carry ID then it's difficult to judge whether they should have a child ticket. This therefore would remove both chancers and legitimate travel with a child ticket for older looking "children" (I certainly had a couple of problems at 15, and it would have been grim had child tickets gone up to 18).
if RPIs accept carrying the railcard as sufficient ID for posession of a child ticket, it's a great idea, for that very reason. I'm definitely in favour of it.
 

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if RPIs accept carrying the railcard as sufficient ID for posession of a child ticket, it's a great idea, for that very reason. I'm definitely in favour of it.

No reason why they wouldnt as you will need ID of some form to obtain the railcard
 

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No reason why they wouldnt as you will need ID of some form to obtain the railcard

Yes, but a passport would suffice, which I wouldn't expect (or desire) a 16 year old to have to hand whilst travelling.
 

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Yes, but a passport would suffice, which I wouldn't expect (or desire) a 16 year old to have to hand whilst travelling.

Yeah they will only need some sort of id when purchasing so no need to cart anything else around with them
 

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When I was in that age group, I had a PTE permit (with photocard) for half-fare buses, multi-modal tickets and train within West Yorkshire... so other than the extra 20% off there'd be no point.
 

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16 - 18 already has a Railcard as part of the 16-25 or as some still call it, the Young Persons Railcard.
Not that it should be called 16-25 railcard either as mature students can get it.
 
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I'm 18 in January so am very interested to hear if the same rule that applies to the 16-25, 26-30 etc. will apply here, that is that you can buy this railcard the day before your 18th birthday and use it for the year, until you turn 19.
 

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I'm 18 in January so am very interested to hear if the same rule that applies to the 16-25, 26-30 etc. will apply here, that is that you can buy this railcard the day before your 18th birthday and use it for the year, until you turn 19.

My information leads me to believe it won't, it will expire the day before your 18th birthday no matter when you buy it.
 

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It's valid up until 18th Birthday, so my guess would be they'll rename the 16-25 RC the 18-25 RC, but I wonder if people who are 16 or 17 when the 16/17 RC launches that already have a 16-25 RC will be converted to the new one.
 

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Just an update, railcard website still says more info in summer, no real announcements on availability yet. Also I got in touch w Railcard on twitter and they said they don't even know if it will be regional rollout or nationwide or when it will actually happen. I'm buying a 16-25 RC, I'll probably be 18 by the time the 16/17 RC comes out.
 

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There's a lot of misinformation in this thread.

A 16-17 railcard (the name may actually be slightly different) will be introduced on 20th August, valid for travel on or after 2nd September.

The 16-25 Railcard will remain unchanged. No-one will be moved from one to the other.

The 16-17 railcard will give 50% off without a minimum fare; and it will only be available until the day before the card-holder's birthday. Not all TOCs are participating though. The final details will be available shortly.

The 16-17 railcard was announced by DfT in January. It is a DfT initiative.
 

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I think it's a good idea. Since the age for remaining in compulsory education was increased from 16 to 18, it seemed a bit off that this group should have to pay full fare to get to wherever they need to go. The 16-25 railcard isn't much use for journeys costing less than £12 return for most of the year. There are many regional concessionary schemes in place for this age group so it makes sense to have a simple, rationalised product for them.

Which TOCs are against participating in the scheme? If Scotrail and TfW are I can understand that, are there any others?
 
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