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TDC010

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Hi,
After a 6 year wait I have finally been invited to an Trainee driver assessment day with SWR.

They have sent me an assessment document that outlines the layout of the day and gives me an opurtunity to practice some of the tasks.

I have a good idea of what’s expected but my question is, do you guys think there is any part of the day that is more important than others. I have 6 days left to swat on everything but should I be concentrating more on certain things?

Any other useful advice you could give me then I am all ears.

Many thanks

TC
 
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Hi,
After a 6 year wait I have finally been invited to an Trainee driver assessment day with SWR.

They have sent me an assessment document that outlines the layout of the day and gives me an opurtunity to practice some of the tasks.

I have a good idea of what’s expected but my question is, do you guys think there is any part of the day that is more important than others. I have 6 days left to swat on everything but should I be concentrating more on certain things?

Any other useful advice you could give me then I am all ears.

Many thanks

TC

I think the best part about doing it with SWR is that you do all of the assessments in one day, and its broken up really well, as its explained to you is exactky how it will go.

In regards to preparing, just go over the exercises in the booklet they have sent you if you can, maybe try some brain training apps on your phone.

Best of luck!
 

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They are all equally important, as you need to pass them all.

Personally I found I was able to improve at the GBT by doing them over and over leading up to the day. I think the other tests are things you can either do or you cannot, though others may disagree. If you are a long distance from the test centre I think staying in a hotel nearby is a good idea. You dont want the stress of long journey before taking the tests, or worse still transport delays meaning you miss the start and dont get let in.

Edit I have only done paper tests, do you do all the tests on one day? If this includes the MMI I suggest working on some potential answers for that. Thats something very few people can go in and blag their way through on the spot.
 

Lewis H

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They are all equally important, as you need to pass them all.

Personally I found I was able to improve at the GBT by doing them over and over leading up to the day. I think the other tests are things you can either do or you cannot, though others may disagree. If you are a long distance from the test centre I think staying in a hotel nearby is a good idea. You dont want the stress of long journey before taking the tests, or worse still transport delays meaning you miss the start and dont get let in.

Edit I have only done paper tests, do you do all the tests on one day? If this includes the MMI I suggest working on some potential answers for that. Thats something very few people can go in and blag their way through on the spot.

It doesnt include the MMI, there is no interview, the only test you do not do is the situational judgement test which you will do before the MMI, but you do the computer tests all in a day, and if you fail at any stage, you are told there and then and you just dont go onto the next assessment.

Staying in a hotel is a good idea,I travelled from Kent to Southampton when I went for mine, and its a good few hours you’re there for and I was knackered (luckily passed still and am actually starting Training in just over a week)

I also agree that some parts of the test you cannot really prepare for, as with any sort of aptitude test, you either have it or you dont!
 

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Hi,

As others have said, all parts are equally important - you have to pass them all! However, I spent most time preparing for the Group Bourdon Test, like I think most do, and that would be my advice to you.

The booklet they sent you will have given you some guide to what to expect, but I have posted the following elsewhere based on my experiences and recommendations. I hope that it is helpful!

-----

I attended an assessment day with a TOC which accepts national standards.


I understand that many TOCs have around 20-25 people taking the tests on that day. The TOC which assessed me, however, assesses fewer people at once (8 were due to attend but only 5 did). Of the 5 who attended, two worked for the TOC in guard or ticket office roles, and at least one of the absentees, too.


The TOC should have e-mailed you an information pack telling you what tests would be conducted, the procedures for them and giving your ideas for practice before the day.


The tests are designed to be psychometric, hence they assess your capabilities. I saw that when doing the tests. There are some people I know who I think could practice full time and still never pass. It assesses innate abilities, although, of course, some practice in advance can help you a little.


Initially, we were asked to wait in a waiting room. We were asked 1-by-1 to go into an interview room where our identity, including NI number, was checked. We were also given a colour-blind test. In this test, you have to read the numbers which you can see in circles made of different colours. Warning: There are some trick ones! There are no numbers on some of them - don't try finding one; just say you can't see one!


When that was conducted, we were taken to a room where we each had a desk with stationery provided. I brought my own pens which I usually use which I find comfortable.


The first test was the Group Bourdon Test. This is the test which most people find the hardest and I recommend that you spend most time practising. You need to find groups of four dots. There's a downloadable online tool: https://www.railforums.co.uk/attachments/bourdon-zip.36183/. I initially started doing it online and then moved on to printing and doing them on paper. You do get used to the patterns of dots on the tool, and they are different on the actual test, although the skills are transferrable. There are various people on this forum who quote how many lines you need to complete and how many errors you can make to pass. I was doing about 9 or 10 lines on the printouts from the tool with only 1 or 2 mistakes per page and I passed. Be very sceptical of people who say you need to complete 14 or 15 lines with no more than one mistake! (Of course, some TOCs require enhanced testing, which may require slightly more.) There was also a practice section at the start. The practice grids in the information booklet were less helpful than the tool (using letters rather than dots).


We then had a break while the test was marked. One person was asked into the interview room to be told that he failed so he was sent home.


The next test was the Test of Everyday Attention (TEA-Occ). This measures attention to multiple things and how well you can multi-task.

Part 1 required us to listen to beeps (some with low tones, others with 'high' but I'd call them moderate-to-low). You will need to count just certain tones (can't remember if it was low or high). An example is available here, but there weren't so many tones for each question: https://traineetraindriverinfo.com/low-tones-test-track-1/

Part 2 required us to do some simple telephone directory work. I think it was finding companies in a particular trade with a rating of three stars and with a phone number with a particular area code. It wasn't rocket science and probably doesn't need much practising, but it is designed to make you work quickly. You might not finish and don't need to.

Part 3 was the hardest, combining both part 1 and part 2. You hear number 1 read out and a number of beeps (only one tone this time). You need to write the number down when told. This continues. At the same time, you have a telephone directory task similar to part 2. You are told that both parts are of equal importance. You must use different pens for both tasks. When doing it, I got a good sense that I was truly multi-tasking. It's a good test, actually!

The booklet gives you some activities to help you. Recognising symbols probably isn't too difficult for most people. If you have somebody who could play patterns of two tones on a keyboard or piano (written down first so the answers can be assessed), that might help you, and also if they can play similar tones while they asked you to do a reading task / telephone directory task / wordsearch. However, I didn't practise much for this test and I know some others didn't either, and we passed.


The next test was the Trainability for Rules and Procedures Test (TRP), Part 1 which assesses how well you can learn new things. The railway rulebook is huge for a start, and you will also need to learn about fault finding and repairing, not to mention route knowledge. We were given a two-page information sheet explaining how "GLOP" is applied to the rails using a locomotive and application vehicle operated by a driver and a guard, including what controls there are, the colours and locations of them, when they should be used, the signalling system between the driver and guard, etc. We also heard a recording of this. We then had to hand back the information sheet and answer questions on the procedure. I found this quite easy, but some people don't pick up new information well, especially when there are lots of details. They give a very clear example in the booklet sent before the day.

Part 2 is sometimes known as the “dials” test. You get sets of 3 dials with pointers pointing to the number on each dial, and you have to put them in order (I believe starting with the largest). However, each dial has a different number range (one might go from 0-150 and another might go 0-500) so in that example, halfway on the dial going up to 500 would read '250' but the whole way on the dial going up to 150 would be only '150'. You have 43 questions to complete in 8 minutes and I don't think that anybody ever completes them all. Apparently, you are scored for correct answers but not penalised for wrong answers.


The final written test was the Written Communication Test (WCT), although I understand that this is no longer compulsory and some TOCs no longer do this. We were given a cartoon strip showing a taxi booking, a taxi picking a person up on time, delays on the route, and arrival at destination late. We had to write what happened. The only thing that matters is clarity so your writing needs to be legible, but not necessarily neat. You do not need to write in sentences - bullet points are acceptable. Grammar and spelling is not important if it does not obscure meaning. You can continue to look at the cartoon strip during the test - you do not need to turn it over or have it collected. I have been told that almost 100% pass this test - if your handwriting is legible and you can convey a simple story, even just in bullet points, you're fine!


Again, we were sent to the waiting room while the tests were marked - this took a long time (almost an hour, I think)!


The final tests were the computerised tests. There might not be one computer per person so some people might have to take the test while other people are waiting.


I think the first computerised test was the ATAVT Perception Test. You will view a picture of a street scene for approximately 0.5-1 second. You will then have to choose from the list (pedestrians; motor vehicles excluding motorcycles; bikes, motorcycles or scooters; road signs; traffic lights) what was in the picture. There might be as few as one or as many as five in any one picture. Many pictures are busy scenes and you will notice the presence or absence of some things, but for most of the time, you will not be certain that you have got them all right - there will be some guesswork or subconscious decision-making involved. This will suit people who are observant and can process quickly.

This video will give you a good idea of the test, but I think the pictures disappear more quickly in the assessments than shown on this video:

Asking a friend or family member to download some pictures from the internet and test you on them (giving you only a brief peek) might help.


I think the second test was the 2Hand Co-Ordination Test. You will have two joysticks, one will only go up and down, and the other will only go left and right. You have to control a ball around a track trying not to let it go off of the grey track, which includes curved sections. You will hear a screech when it does. This is repeated many times. It is aimed to be difficult and most people will not keep it on the track all the way around. We all thought we did really badly on this!


The final test was the WAFV (Vigilance) Test. You will see a grey square flashing on the screen. When it changes colour to a different shade of grey, you press the large green button as quickly as possible. This continues for 30 minutes, sometimes for long periods between changing. Also, your eyes imagine it changing when it doesn't. It's a good assessment because if you can't concentrate on being vigilant for 30 minutes, being in charge of a train might not be a good idea! When your eyes lose focus, move closer to or further away from the screen. Also, surprisingly, the colour changes aren't random but pre-programmed. Therefore if one person starts their test, another starts two seconds later and another starts two seconds later, you will hear the first person press their button, then about two seconds later the next person, and another two seconds later the next person.


We were then asked to wait in the waiting room again while the results were generated.


Finally, we were congratulated for passing the tests and advised about the next procedures in the application process. We were also given some basic pieces of advice for the DMI.


Hope that this is helpful. Feel free to ask any further questions!
 

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Wow 6 years, why just why!?
It was a mix up with me originally applying with SWT and them not really doing any recruiting because of the planned franchise change and the fact that I had, unbeknown to me, applied for a station that was 47 minutes away from my home which was outside the 45 minutes allowed. I reapplied for a closet depot and hey presto.
 

TDC010

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I think the best part about doing it with SWR is that you do all of the assessments in one day, and its broken up really well, as its explained to you is exactky how it will go.

In regards to preparing, just go over the exercises in the booklet they have sent you if you can, maybe try some brain training apps on your phone.

Best of luck!
Thanks for the advice. I have been bombarding the brain training apps.

The part I am finding the most difficult out of any is the test that gives you several minutes to read and make notes on a passage. Then it goes into a series of multiple choice questions.
 

TDC010

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They are all equally important, as you need to pass them all.

Personally I found I was able to improve at the GBT by doing them over and over leading up to the day. I think the other tests are things you can either do or you cannot, though others may disagree. If you are a long distance from the test centre I think staying in a hotel nearby is a good idea. You dont want the stress of long journey before taking the tests, or worse still transport delays meaning you miss the start and dont get let in.

Edit I have only done paper tests, do you do all the tests on one day? If this includes the MMI I suggest working on some potential answers for that. Thats something very few people can go in and blag their way through on the spot.
The test papers I have suggest there will be an mmi on the day.
 

TDC010

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It doesnt include the MMI, there is no interview, the only test you do not do is the situational judgement test which you will do before the MMI, but you do the computer tests all in a day, and if you fail at any stage, you are told there and then and you just dont go onto the next assessment.

Staying in a hotel is a good idea,I travelled from Kent to Southampton when I went for mine, and its a good few hours you’re there for and I was knackered (luckily passed still and am actually starting Training in just over a week)

I also agree that some parts of the test you cannot really prepare for, as with any sort of aptitude test, you either have it or you dont!
Well done on your success!
 

TDC010

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Hi,

As others have said, all parts are equally important - you have to pass them all! However, I spent most time preparing for the Group Bourdon Test, like I think most do, and that would be my advice to you.

The booklet they sent you will have given you some guide to what to expect, but I have posted the following elsewhere based on my experiences and recommendations. I hope that it is helpful!

-----

I attended an assessment day with a TOC which accepts national standards.


I understand that many TOCs have around 20-25 people taking the tests on that day. The TOC which assessed me, however, assesses fewer people at once (8 were due to attend but only 5 did). Of the 5 who attended, two worked for the TOC in guard or ticket office roles, and at least one of the absentees, too.


The TOC should have e-mailed you an information pack telling you what tests would be conducted, the procedures for them and giving your ideas for practice before the day.


The tests are designed to be psychometric, hence they assess your capabilities. I saw that when doing the tests. There are some people I know who I think could practice full time and still never pass. It assesses innate abilities, although, of course, some practice in advance can help you a little.


Initially, we were asked to wait in a waiting room. We were asked 1-by-1 to go into an interview room where our identity, including NI number, was checked. We were also given a colour-blind test. In this test, you have to read the numbers which you can see in circles made of different colours. Warning: There are some trick ones! There are no numbers on some of them - don't try finding one; just say you can't see one!


When that was conducted, we were taken to a room where we each had a desk with stationery provided. I brought my own pens which I usually use which I find comfortable.


The first test was the Group Bourdon Test. This is the test which most people find the hardest and I recommend that you spend most time practising. You need to find groups of four dots. There's a downloadable online tool: https://www.railforums.co.uk/attachments/bourdon-zip.36183/. I initially started doing it online and then moved on to printing and doing them on paper. You do get used to the patterns of dots on the tool, and they are different on the actual test, although the skills are transferrable. There are various people on this forum who quote how many lines you need to complete and how many errors you can make to pass. I was doing about 9 or 10 lines on the printouts from the tool with only 1 or 2 mistakes per page and I passed. Be very sceptical of people who say you need to complete 14 or 15 lines with no more than one mistake! (Of course, some TOCs require enhanced testing, which may require slightly more.) There was also a practice section at the start. The practice grids in the information booklet were less helpful than the tool (using letters rather than dots).


We then had a break while the test was marked. One person was asked into the interview room to be told that he failed so he was sent home.


The next test was the Test of Everyday Attention (TEA-Occ). This measures attention to multiple things and how well you can multi-task.

Part 1 required us to listen to beeps (some with low tones, others with 'high' but I'd call them moderate-to-low). You will need to count just certain tones (can't remember if it was low or high). An example is available here, but there weren't so many tones for each question: https://traineetraindriverinfo.com/low-tones-test-track-1/

Part 2 required us to do some simple telephone directory work. I think it was finding companies in a particular trade with a rating of three stars and with a phone number with a particular area code. It wasn't rocket science and probably doesn't need much practising, but it is designed to make you work quickly. You might not finish and don't need to.

Part 3 was the hardest, combining both part 1 and part 2. You hear number 1 read out and a number of beeps (only one tone this time). You need to write the number down when told. This continues. At the same time, you have a telephone directory task similar to part 2. You are told that both parts are of equal importance. You must use different pens for both tasks. When doing it, I got a good sense that I was truly multi-tasking. It's a good test, actually!

The booklet gives you some activities to help you. Recognising symbols probably isn't too difficult for most people. If you have somebody who could play patterns of two tones on a keyboard or piano (written down first so the answers can be assessed), that might help you, and also if they can play similar tones while they asked you to do a reading task / telephone directory task / wordsearch. However, I didn't practise much for this test and I know some others didn't either, and we passed.


The next test was the Trainability for Rules and Procedures Test (TRP), Part 1 which assesses how well you can learn new things. The railway rulebook is huge for a start, and you will also need to learn about fault finding and repairing, not to mention route knowledge. We were given a two-page information sheet explaining how "GLOP" is applied to the rails using a locomotive and application vehicle operated by a driver and a guard, including what controls there are, the colours and locations of them, when they should be used, the signalling system between the driver and guard, etc. We also heard a recording of this. We then had to hand back the information sheet and answer questions on the procedure. I found this quite easy, but some people don't pick up new information well, especially when there are lots of details. They give a very clear example in the booklet sent before the day.

Part 2 is sometimes known as the “dials” test. You get sets of 3 dials with pointers pointing to the number on each dial, and you have to put them in order (I believe starting with the largest). However, each dial has a different number range (one might go from 0-150 and another might go 0-500) so in that example, halfway on the dial going up to 500 would read '250' but the whole way on the dial going up to 150 would be only '150'. You have 43 questions to complete in 8 minutes and I don't think that anybody ever completes them all. Apparently, you are scored for correct answers but not penalised for wrong answers.


The final written test was the Written Communication Test (WCT), although I understand that this is no longer compulsory and some TOCs no longer do this. We were given a cartoon strip showing a taxi booking, a taxi picking a person up on time, delays on the route, and arrival at destination late. We had to write what happened. The only thing that matters is clarity so your writing needs to be legible, but not necessarily neat. You do not need to write in sentences - bullet points are acceptable. Grammar and spelling is not important if it does not obscure meaning. You can continue to look at the cartoon strip during the test - you do not need to turn it over or have it collected. I have been told that almost 100% pass this test - if your handwriting is legible and you can convey a simple story, even just in bullet points, you're fine!


Again, we were sent to the waiting room while the tests were marked - this took a long time (almost an hour, I think)!


The final tests were the computerised tests. There might not be one computer per person so some people might have to take the test while other people are waiting.


I think the first computerised test was the ATAVT Perception Test. You will view a picture of a street scene for approximately 0.5-1 second. You will then have to choose from the list (pedestrians; motor vehicles excluding motorcycles; bikes, motorcycles or scooters; road signs; traffic lights) what was in the picture. There might be as few as one or as many as five in any one picture. Many pictures are busy scenes and you will notice the presence or absence of some things, but for most of the time, you will not be certain that you have got them all right - there will be some guesswork or subconscious decision-making involved. This will suit people who are observant and can process quickly.

This video will give you a good idea of the test, but I think the pictures disappear more quickly in the assessments than shown on this video:

Asking a friend or family member to download some pictures from the internet and test you on them (giving you only a brief peek) might help.


I think the second test was the 2Hand Co-Ordination Test. You will have two joysticks, one will only go up and down, and the other will only go left and right. You have to control a ball around a track trying not to let it go off of the grey track, which includes curved sections. You will hear a screech when it does. This is repeated many times. It is aimed to be difficult and most people will not keep it on the track all the way around. We all thought we did really badly on this!


The final test was the WAFV (Vigilance) Test. You will see a grey square flashing on the screen. When it changes colour to a different shade of grey, you press the large green button as quickly as possible. This continues for 30 minutes, sometimes for long periods between changing. Also, your eyes imagine it changing when it doesn't. It's a good assessment because if you can't concentrate on being vigilant for 30 minutes, being in charge of a train might not be a good idea! When your eyes lose focus, move closer to or further away from the screen. Also, surprisingly, the colour changes aren't random but pre-programmed. Therefore if one person starts their test, another starts two seconds later and another starts two seconds later, you will hear the first person press their button, then about two seconds later the next person, and another two seconds later the next person.


We were then asked to wait in the waiting room again while the results were generated.


Finally, we were congratulated for passing the tests and advised about the next procedures in the application process. We were also given some basic pieces of advice for the DMI.


Hope that this is helpful. Feel free to ask any further questions!
Fantastic! Very helpful indeed.
 

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The test papers I have suggest there will be an mmi on the day.

You probably have the RSSB booklet, not specific to SWR.

I believe, like Lewis H, that you do not have the MMI on the same day.

If you're still unsure, you could check with recruitment by phone or e-mail.
 

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You probably have the RSSB booklet, not specific to SWR.

I believe, like Lewis H, that you do not have the MMI on the same day.

If you're still unsure, you could check with recruitment by phone or e-mail.
I can confirm 100% that you do not have the MMI, you will do that after your DMI, providing you pass the assessments of course.
 

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I can confirm 100% that you do not have the MMI, you will do that after your DMI, providing you pass the assessments of course.
Thats a relief, it’s nice to know I can save that phase of worry!!!
 

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Thats a relief, it’s nice to know I can save that phase of worry!!!
I had a good 5 months between assessments and my MMI, so I definitely wouldnt worry too much about that yet!

Good luck with your assessments, what depot have you applied for?
 

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Hi,

Finally, we were congratulated for passing the tests and advised about the next procedures in the application process. We were also given some basic pieces of advice for the DMI.

If you don't mind me asking what advice did they give you for the DMI , i'm waiting on a date for mine with Scotrail
Thanks
 

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As has been said, all the assessments are of equal importance. My advice would be to practice the written tests as they tend to be easier to misunderstand and thus ultimately fail. The computer (Vienna) tests tend to be more straight forward, and more difficult to revise for (they're about your practical ability to concentrate, which is very hard to practice for as you're either naturally that way inclined, or you're not). Bear in mind also that the practice material will give you a taster of what to expect, but they tests on the day won't be identical. This should have been made clear in the pack you received from SWR.

Good luck!
 

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I had a good 5 months between assessments and my MMI, so I definitely wouldnt worry too much about that yet!

Good luck with your assessments, what depot have you applied for?
I’ve applied for Fratton
 

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As has been said, all the assessments are of equal importance. My advice would be to practice the written tests as they tend to be easier to misunderstand and thus ultimately fail. The computer (Vienna) tests tend to be more straight forward, and more difficult to revise for (they're about your practical ability to concentrate, which is very hard to practice for as you're either naturally that way inclined, or you're not). Bear in mind also that the practice material will give you a taster of what to expect, but they tests on the day won't be identical. This should have been made clear in the pack you received from SWR.

Good luck!
Thanks for the advice. Greatly appreciated.
 

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As someone that failed Freightliner's enhanced standards only on the Group Bourdon I would definitely recommend practicing that with the downloadable Tool on here. I stupidly thought I'd either sail through it or it wasn't something that could be practiced but since failing I've improved massively by training myself with the Tool.
 

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As someone that failed Freightliner's enhanced standards only on the Group Bourdon I would definitely recommend practicing that with the downloadable Tool on here. I stupidly thought I'd either sail through it or it wasn't something that could be practiced but since failing I've improved massively by training myself with the Tool.
I think the GB test is one of those assesments that some sail through easily without any practice, but others find the practice helps. For me it was the only test I wasn’t too concerned about, but was conscious that if I discounted it fully it could catch me out. I found it easy, but some people were still finishing more of the paper than me working at a reasonable speed (or what I thought was a reasonable speed at least!). I passed and was satisfied I got them all right, but probably only finished half of each ‘square’. As with most of these tests, it’s about accuracy as much as speed of course.
 

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As someone that failed Freightliner's enhanced standards only on the Group Bourdon I would definitely recommend practicing that with the downloadable Tool on here. I stupidly thought I'd either sail through it or it wasn't something that could be practiced but since failing I've improved massively by training myself with the Tool.

It's not easy, is it?!

I was glad it was over and ecstatic that I passed!

It's well worth practising!
 

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Well noted guys. I have a copy of the Train driver tests book and there is a huge section on the GB test in there I have been working on most days.
 

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If you don't mind me asking what advice did they give you for the DMI , i'm waiting on a date for mine with Scotrail
Thanks

Sorry, just noticed your reply.

As I said, it was basic pieces of advice and there's much more advice on here. However, we were advised:
* research the company and be able to tell the driver manager lots in interview
* don't ask about pay, conditions and what you get out of the job
* show the DM how helpful you can be - adaptable and flexible - they want people who will help them!

Of course, search "Driver Manager Interview" and "DMI" on this site (or on Google with "site:railforums.co.uk") after the search term, and plenty of results, much more detailed that the above, will appear! In fact, I'm sure you already have!

In fact, I think that advice we were given might even have been unhelpful. I was already planning to do the above, and lack of knowledge of the above would show poor research or poor judgement.

Good luck with your DMI!
 

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Sorry, just noticed your reply.

As I said, it was basic pieces of advice and there's much more advice on here. However, we were advised:
* research the company and be able to tell the driver manager lots in interview
* don't ask about pay, conditions and what you get out of the job
* show the DM how helpful you can be - adaptable and flexible - they want people who will help them!

Of course, search "Driver Manager Interview" and "DMI" on this site (or on Google with "site:railforums.co.uk") after the search term, and plenty of results, much more detailed that the above, will appear! In fact, I'm sure you already have!

In fact, I think that advice we were given might even have been unhelpful. I was already planning to do the above, and lack of knowledge of the above would show poor research or poor judgement.

Good luck with your DMI!
DB also give advice about their SAM interview (Safety Assurance Manager - DMI basically), although more emphasis was put on using the STAR method to answer questions and gave a few examples of the type of questions you’ll be asked (although not EXACT questions). It’s the first time I’ve seen this approach and for those who haven’t had an interview in a while or for general interview advice it’s a good approach.

Can’t thibk why they’d advise you not to ask about the salary and terms etc? It’s not wise to base any answers to questions on this, or in any way indicate you’re applying because of the money, but it’s standard during “do you have any questions for us?” To at least broach the subject, after all, the average applicant needs to know at least roughly how much they’ll be paid and what perks there are to the job.
 

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Can’t thibk why they’d advise you not to ask about the salary and terms etc? It’s not wise to base any answers to questions on this, or in any way indicate you’re applying because of the money, but it’s standard during “do you have any questions for us?” To at least broach the subject, after all, the average applicant needs to know at least roughly how much they’ll be paid and what perks there are to the job.

I think they wanted to point us towards asking about the role, rather than the benefits.

But at the DMI, the first 20 minutes or so were basically them give a pre-scripted presentation of the job role, training procedure, etc. in which they went through the precise salary at each stage, holiday allowances, staff travel benefits, etc. Therefore if you were planning to ask any such questions, it would probably already have been answered!
 

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Sorry, just noticed your reply.

As I said, it was basic pieces of advice and there's much more advice on here. However, we were advised:
* research the company and be able to tell the driver manager lots in interview
* don't ask about pay, conditions and what you get out of the job
* show the DM how helpful you can be - adaptable and flexible - they want people who will help them!

Of course, search "Driver Manager Interview" and "DMI" on this site (or on Google with "site:railforums.co.uk") after the search term, and plenty of results, much more detailed that the above, will appear! In fact, I'm sure you already have!

In fact, I think that advice we were given might even have been unhelpful. I was already planning to do the above, and lack of knowledge of the above would show poor research or poor judgement.

Good luck with your DMI!

Thanks very much for getting back to me
 

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I think they wanted to point us towards asking about the role, rather than the benefits.

But at the DMI, the first 20 minutes or so were basically them give a pre-scripted presentation of the job role, training procedure, etc. in which they went through the precise salary at each stage, holiday allowances, staff travel benefits, etc. Therefore if you were planning to ask any such questions, it would probably already have been answered!
Was the same for me. They answered all the questions I prepared including salary based ones I was stuck and didn't ask any questions when they asked me if I wanted to.
 

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Was the same for me. They answered all the questions I prepared including salary based ones I was stuck and didn't ask any questions when they asked me if I wanted to.
For my latest one with GWR I asked a load of questions but forgot to even ask about the talent pool situation :)

They prompted me on that one and answered it anyway.
 
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