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Porterbrook Cl.769 'Flex' trains from 319s, initially for Northern

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a_c_skinner said:
Would that be a wise assumption? Seriously.
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The first 800m out of Victoria is part of the way through work. The rest of the route has had significant enabling works done. The main issue is finalising the Transpennine upgrade plans (Stalybridge to Leeds), which will require remodelling Stalybridge and may also require additional work to Victoria-Stalybridge (i.e. Miles Platting Junction) in order to support higher capacity. I would say its extremely likely that Victoria-Stalybridge will be wired in the next 10 years. Lostock-Wigan is less likely but unlike Windermere, MML north of Kettering and Cardiff-Swansea its paused rather than cancelled. There have been enabling works done too.
 
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Maybe putting 2 and 2 together and making 5, but I think TFW are taking delivery of their first 769 today.

Someone was having a jolly good moan on Twitter this morning and suggested that the extra trains promised for May would be late. Reply was that the first is due to arrive today for testing and training.

Had a look on RTT and there is train scheduled to leave Loughborough Brush at 14:33 to Canton due to arrive at 21:23.
 
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You mean one might actually finally move on the public network under it's own power, only for it to go pop when attempting to climb one of the hills in South Wales on a very wet day? :lol:
 
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So initially for Northern but TfW (Transport for Wales) seem to be getting a 769 first!
How does that come about as 2 of what should be Northern 769s have been testing on the GCR (Great Central Railway).
 
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EE Andy b1 said:
So initially for Northern but TfW (Transport for Wales) seem to be getting a 769 first!
How does that come about as 2 of what should be Northern 769s have been testing on the GCR (Great Central Railway).
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Northern have 769s (2?) at Allerton already.
 
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JN114 said:
Northern have 769s (2?) at Allerton already.
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One of which, when I went by the other day, was dumped at the Hunts Cross end out the way with a battery lamp on, the other one was at the other end with people wandering about and the cab door open.
 
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Kite159 said:
You mean one might actually finally move on the public network under it's own power, only for it to go pop when attempting to climb one of the hills in South Wales on a very wet day? :lol:
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It could roll back down at it's leisure, I'm sure.

Mind you, I'm a bit surprised that a 769 (almost) got delivered to Wales before a 230. I though it was going to be the other way around.
 
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Why might TfW have requested the cancellation of the delivery attempt...?
 
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anamyd said:
Why might TfW have requested the cancellation of the delivery attempt...?
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That assumes that TfW was the "customer" that requested the cancellation from Freightliner. It might make more sense to think of Porterbrook/Brush as Freightliner's customer.

(Compare it to the situation with buying something through eBay: Even though you're buying something from the seller, it's the seller that is Royal Mail's customer. The seller is the one who is given the tracking reference numbers, and the right to claim compensation for delays etc. from Royal Mail.)
 
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That assumes that TfW was the "customer" that requested the cancellation from Freightliner. It might make more sense to think of Porterbrook/Brush as Freightliner's customer.

(Compare it to the situation with buying something through eBay: Even though you're buying something from the seller, it's the seller that is Royal Mail's customer. The seller is the one who is given the tracking reference numbers, and the right to claim compensation for delays etc. from Royal Mail.)
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thanks for the explanation!
 
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The latest Railway Herald reports that mainline 769 testing has been officially pushed back to 'towards the end of March'.

Perhaps best believed once it's seen.
 
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That will be because things are going so well, as we are constantly told on here whenever anybody states the bleeding obvious.
 
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Bertie the bus said:
That will be because things are going so well, as we are constantly told on here whenever anybody states the bleeding obvious.
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I think what some people, certainly I, have a problem with is the constant hyperbolic predictions of project ending Armageddon every time there's the slightest setback. There is, right now, no reason to suspect that there are major problems. After all, "towards the end of March," could mean as early as the end of next week.
People really need to stop assuming the negative just because they aren't being told every little thing that's happening.
 
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I think what some people, certainly I, have a problem with is the constant hyperbolic predictions of project ending Armageddon every time there's the slightest setback. There is, right now, no reason to suspect that there are major problems. After all, "towards the end of March," could mean as early as the end of next week.
People really need to stop assuming the negative just because they aren't being told every little thing that's happening.
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Come on! How many deadlines/promised delivery dates do you think have to be missed to justify people asking themselves whether something will ever actually fly, or will instead be hidden away behind the shed in the hope that people forget what was promised?
(and I speak as someone who really wants it to work for loads of different reasons)
 
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Come on! How many deadlines/promised delivery dates do you think have to be missed to justify people asking themselves whether something will ever actually fly, or will instead be hidden away behind the shed in the hope that people forget what was promised?
(and I speak as someone who really wants it to work for loads of different reasons)
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I couldn't give a rat's proverbials how many deadlines are missed, if the end result is that it works.
On a more practical point, I have no idea what is going on inside this project and neither do you. Ill informed speculation of the kind which seems to be so beloved of a certain type of person in these forums is simply a waste of time and bandwidth.
However, as I said earlier, there is no reason to suppose that anything is seriously wrong. Unless/until we actually have firm information to go on, people need to wind their necks in and develop the ability to be patient.
 
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Mathew S said:
I think what some people, certainly I, have a problem with is the constant hyperbolic predictions of project ending Armageddon every time there's the slightest setback. There is, right now, no reason to suspect that there are major problems. After all, "towards the end of March," could mean as early as the end of next week.
People really need to stop assuming the negative just because they aren't being told every little thing that's happening.
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Because of course, it's impossible that a setback could be caused by something mundane, rather than some inherent fundamental flaw coming to light that's being covered up by a massive conspiracy... Building / Testing / Approving trains is complex, it often takes longer than expected. It's not unusual for engineering (or whoever) to say it takes X weeks to do something, but the project manager then cuts the timescales down by 25% because they don't like the original answer or the client is pushing them for an impossible delivery date. Then when the project is completed after X weeks, it's suddenly late by that removed 25%. Nothing is fundamentally wrong, but everyone was given unrealistic expectations. I can understand people being angry / frustrated by the delays, but I completely agree with you that people jumping to the conclusion that the sky is falling gets old very quickly.
 
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Mathew S said:
However, as I said earlier, there is no reason to suppose that anything is seriously wrong. Unless/until we actually have firm information to go on, people need to wind their necks in and develop the ability to be patient.
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Coming from somebody who claimed last May that anybody complaining about the timetable fiasco on Northern was exaggerating and things were nowhere near as bad as claimed because your journeys from Wigan - Manchester weren't too bad, you won't mind too much if I just ignore what you think.
 
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Bertie the bus said:
Coming from somebody who claimed last May that anybody complaining about the timetable fiasco on Northern was exaggerating and things were nowhere near as bad as claimed because your journeys from Wigan - Manchester weren't too bad, you won't mind too much if I just ignore what you think.
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I couldn't care less what you think of what I think.

And not that it's remotely relevant, but what I actually said was that a set of circumstances which was being reported like the end of the world was not for me causing major problems. You'll find, if you actually bother to think about it, that there is nobody better qualified to talk about my experience, on the railway or elsewhere, than I am.
 
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